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KimAndre

Fri Oct 28, 2005 1:29 pm

I dont got problems per se.. But I cannot defeat a descentMBH/MCM template.. (Im MLS/Menh atm).

The reason is very simple, I have good damage on my saber.. But its just too bloody slow. Add Thyroid Rupture and I hit them once every 2-2.5 seconds.

I just cant hit them in a speed that they cannot heal...

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Obi-Tu

Fri Oct 28, 2005 3:48 pm

#15

+1

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Margantuacca

Fri Oct 28, 2005 4:21 pm

#16

The only problem I have is force usage/regeneration.

I didn't hoarde premiums pre-cu and I'm now paying for it. I have a saber with 30 force cost, and that's withLightsaber Masterywith all experimentation points put into efficiency.

For example, I did one of the Corvette quests last month. After just about every room, I had to sit and make my group members wait while I regenerated my force. I was holding THEM up! I hated that. I grinded for MONTHSso that I could hold up my group members in a quest, and not do as much damage as some of them?? It should absolutely not be that way.

I don't have much trouble staying in a large scale battle in PvP using channel, it's just the high end stuff that gets me. I want to be able to use my jedi character to do whatever a normal character can do. That is all I ask.

MAKEFORCEREGENFASTERWHENNOTIN A FIGHT.Change Channel to a toggled ability tomake your force regen faster while IN BATTLE. SIMPLE SOLUTION in which everyone is a WINNER. Remove meditate for the ENH 0004 box and put in an improved force channel instead.

Jedi is really not that far from being a really enjoyable class.

Ciscero

Fri Oct 28, 2005 5:44 pm

#17

Well for starters... If you were MSaber/MHealer 4004Enh Pre-CU you were pretty strong template.

Currently that template is nowhere near possible. So in my case I shifted to MDef/MHealr 0404Saber after the CU.It was astep down in capability immediately following the CU, but the healing capability made it fun.

It was not long until they nerfed Jedi heal timers, states hadalready been made a joke,AND THEN the dev'sremoved battle fatigue from the game making Total Heal (a master skill) a worthless skill to attain.

This is only my personnal story, but could be said to be similiar story for most dual mastery templates.

I can only feel the pain of those poor Post CU guys try'n to build a saber that has max damageover 600, because of the poor pearl drop system.

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Cyborg-Shoryuken

Fri Oct 28, 2005 5:46 pm

#18

I think this iswhat the original poster is not understanding. No one is saying that you absolutely can not win with a Jedi template. But, for the most part there are MANY normal combat templates out there, that take about 3 days or less to grind, that given two players or equal pvp skill, the person with the 3 day template will mop the floor with almost any Jedi template.

There are too many limiters and disadvantages placed upon Jedi with out the corresponding bump in power to justify these limitations. On top of that, Jedi take's 20 times as long to grind out than one of these other templates of equal or greater power, (more time if you are a pre - CU Jedi).

TK's can't wear armor, just like Jedi, but with TK you are guaranteed a certain amount of defense. As a Jedi you HAVE to take defender for defenses, but, if you don't, you still can't avail yourself of player armor.

The Force bar which is susposed to be a Jedi's strength has no advantages to it at all, it is nothing more than a handicap, and like mentioned before, there is no greater power in Jedi to justify the handicap.

Add to that that Lightsaber damage is meager compared to most high end weapons, and you quickly have people asking the questions.

"Why is it that I've spent time that is many times greater than that of most normal combat temps to be barely as effective or less than effective than a normal toon.?"

"Why is it that even though we aren't that much of threat power wise in comparison with Most Combat oriented builds we are still allowed to be hunted and killed by a profession that is just about as powerfull if not even more powerfull in many respects and suffer huge losses because of it, with no risk to the other party?"

I've already heard the comments that it's not about the power, it's about the symbolism of being able to be a Jedi, even if they are in the middle of the pack as far as effectiveness goes. Well, if that's the case, then the current situation is not reasonable. If Jedi are required to go througha horrendous grind just to 'look cool' and nothing more, then at the very least they should not be hunted by other players at the Jedi's expense.

I myself as a full temp had never had a problem with BH visits in the entire year's time that I've been a jedi, because I could reasonably defend myself or even make a tactical retreat if I was smart, even though the BH got to choose the time and place of the attack and get's the first strike. I think people underestimate that ability to get the first strike, if taken advantage of by a smart player that is HUGE people. But after my latest experiences of being perma-snared and rooted for 15 minutes straight in a fight against a BH that had a :uber healing droid that you could not kill, it just took any and all enjoyment out of the encounter and was not fun for me at all. I ended up loosing that engagement, but even if I had won that would have been a sucky and a very non-entertaining experience.

When all is said and done and looking at all the factors involving the situation with Jedi a person would have to be very naive or blind to not understand why a good majority of the Jedi community is at the very least a little frustrated or upset. It's akin (in a small way) to a person working a 14 hour a day laborous job all his/her life because of the promise of the huge pension they would get upon retirement, then right as they are about to retire being told that the policy has changed and you and everyone else in that job will recieve benifits similar to someone working a part time job for only a couple of years.

Of course that person who worked all of their life for that would be just a little bitter.

Message Edited by Cyborg-Shoryuken on 10-28-2005 05:53 PM

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MikeHeXt

Fri Oct 28, 2005 5:50 pm

#19

I'm full template and I have quite a few problems.

Saber damage.

MBH/CMBH

SLBH/MBH

Nerfs on nerfs on nerfs

Skills being made useless in PVE making questing annoying

Loot being torn to bits

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Borr_Nahm

Fri Oct 28, 2005 6:03 pm

#20

We went on several guild hunts as well as a buddy and me collecting pearls pre CU (before the "dark times"). So I have two nice sabers (2H is 674 max dmg and DB is 650 max dmg).

It is a MAJOR PROBLEM for post CU jedi....a new guildie has a dps of under 200!!!! For crying out loud!!! a CL 54 rifleman can take him out rather easily.....only thing saves him is cloak.

That is just plain silly!!!

Note to devs: PLEASE FIX THE PREMIUM/FLAWLESS PEARLS for the post CU Jedi.......

THEsmuggla

Sat Oct 29, 2005 12:01 am

#21

trajen2 wrote:

Eked wrote:

trajen2 wrote:

Eked wrote:

Eclipse4300 wrote:

Happy about my temp/LS and not really bothered about BH but there isnt much to do after full temp so we need the FRS back so we have something to aim for

A-Frigin-men!! you win the "Reply of the Day Award"!

so in this case, the problem is not jedi or your template, but the inability to create your own content?

please enlighten us on how to "create or own content" last I checkedI wasnt an SOE developer... or do youmean stand in front of starports and duel all day long? as I've done every single quest known to man and otherwise.

my most recent self-created "content" was to organize my guild into a base take down team and asssist in clearing my planet of IMP bases.... sure, it was specifically jedi-related but it was content. . .

No point in being jedi thaen. You can take down bases better if you use other non-jedi temps.

I am not complaining about being a jedi. is cool.

I am complaining about how easy they made it.

Now everyone and his brother can be a Jedi....,

grind is easy,

BH cannot grief you because they dont see your name on the terms,

payouts are crap and BH prefer to kill NPCs for loot.

this is why i complain about my jedi.

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Srider_Killarney

Sat Oct 29, 2005 12:11 am

#22

trajen2 wrote:

I was thinking about something today....it was set off by someone asking why everyone was complaining in this forum. So I began wondering why everyone was so bitter....

I am a full-temp jedi. About the only thing I do is PvP... I grind sometimes when other padawans need assistance. I help withquests when needed, etc but for the most part, I pvp with my fellow rebels.

The only thing I can ever really complain about is when the IMPS gather a gank to completely slaughter us... nothing about MY jedi in particular is game-breaking.

I got irritated over the cool-down exploit but not enough to be enraged by it.. I get irritated when I have to fight a BH b/c he heals more than me; still nothing to enrage me.... i always compliment them on their healing ability.

I thought the snare canceling of FR was stupid but I got over it...it has yet to get me killed...

So I wonder...what makes me different? I have a nice pre-cu saber...its around 693 max, 9FC, 95SAC but i knwo PLENTY of jedi who pvp with 500-600 damage sabers and do fine..

So what gives? Why is everyone so unhappy?

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Tsukara

Sat Oct 29, 2005 12:12 am

#23

trajen2 wrote:

I was thinking about something today....it was set off by someone asking why everyone was complaining in this forum. So I began wondering why everyone was so bitter....

I am a full-temp jedi. About the only thing I do is PvP... I grind sometimes when other padawans need assistance. I help withquests when needed, etc but for the most part, I pvp with my fellow rebels.

The only thing I can ever really complain about is when the IMPS gather a gank to completely slaughter us... nothing about MY jedi in particular is game-breaking.

I got irritated over the cool-down exploit but not enough to be enraged by it.. I get irritated when I have to fight a BH b/c he heals more than me; still nothing to enrage me.... i always compliment them on their healing ability.

I thought the snare canceling of FR was stupid but I got over it...it has yet to get me killed...

So I wonder...what makes me different? I have a nice pre-cu saber...its around 693 max, 9FC, 95SAC but i knwo PLENTY of jedi who pvp with 500-600 damage sabers and do fine..

So what gives? Why is everyone so unhappy?

What is your template? is it MLS based? MDEF?

the reality is that many other Jedi Master skills have been significantly NERF'd. MPowers has lost 3 primary skills since it came out, because they felt it imbalanced ... Master Healer (as you noted) now has but one tactic ... change templates. The reason your probably not unhappy, is because you have a template that the Dev's are driving us to, vs. one that we selected based on the skill set. I've Mastered 3 of the Jedi disciplines so far, and have gotten atleast 2 branches completed in the other disciplines, and i'm tired of having to regrind my template just because a BH gets a beat down, or can't kill me because when looking like a loss i Cloak or FR3 away.

the frustration on these boards in many respects are the frustrations that other professions like CH, Carbineer, Smuggler, Tailor, CM have expressed in the past when their Mastery boxes turn into junk.

My first Profession was Master Carbineer ... it was so gimped that i re-trained into something else. You just can't do that all the time with Jedi ... it takes way to long to get the Master Box. That is why people are frustrated ... if you work your butt off to geta full template Jedi, only to find out that 2 weeks or 2 months later they are changing that COOL sounding skill to something that doesn't even work.

I mean cmon, with CU they gave us all respecs ... reason: they significantly changed the way all professions fight. that happens with Jedi everytime they change one of the fundamental skills that makes us a Master of the profession.

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Arrogance79

Sat Oct 29, 2005 12:14 am

#24

trajen2 wrote:
I was thinking about something today....it was set off by someone asking why everyone was complaining in this forum. So I began wondering why everyone was so bitter....

I am a full-temp jedi. About the only thing I do is PvP... I grind sometimes when other padawans need assistance. I help withquests when needed, etc but for the most part, I pvp with my fellow rebels.

The only thing I can ever really complain about is when the IMPS gather a gank to completely slaughter us... nothing about MY jedi in particular is game-breaking.

I got irritated over the cool-down exploit but not enough to be enraged by it.. I get irritated when I have to fight a BH b/c he heals more than me; still nothing to enrage me.... i always compliment them on their healing ability.

I thought the snare canceling of FR was stupid but I got over it...it has yet to get me killed...

So I wonder...what makes me different? I have a nice pre-cu saber...its around 693 max, 9FC, 95SAC but i knwo PLENTY of jedi who pvp with 500-600 damage sabers and do fine..

So what gives? Why is everyone so unhappy?

500-600 dmg is not good dmg. That is easily healable. On my swordsmen i do 1k dmg a second and have never died to a jedi

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Kal_Choedan

Sat Oct 29, 2005 12:19 am

#25

I dont have any trouble at the moment but Im a pre pub 9 jedi so I can do the damage needed. Fights take a while sometimes but i am usually more than capable.

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star_Slayer

Sat Oct 29, 2005 12:26 am

#26

I am two boxes a way from master def which is great, I just can't do any damage. then after having to keep healing my self my mind goes then its just a mater of time before i die :-(

(with a 550 max damage LS )

The only way I can see of having a cance against bh's is MLS.

If anyone has tips post them please.

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