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Bring back Saber TEF's. They day they went away, Jedi came out of hiding in record numbers. Sad.

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DocSavag wrote:

When I am paid to play this game and I take an oath to play it a certain way your analogy will work until then it's a straw man argument. This is a game that I play for entertainment. If I am not entertained I quit playing and I quit sending in my money. If LA/SOE wants my money they will make changes to make the game more enjoyable to me. Now you and I might have different opinions about how the game should be played. They might have to make a choice about which of us they want to keep. Who do they choose? They choose the best way to keep the most accounts. In your face "Deal with it" is an attitude that you can espouse but the people trying to pay the bills in Austin, TX don't have that luxury.

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I went to a movie last week. It was "Blood and Gore XIII". I bought the popcorn, a soda, and some ju-ju bees. I sat down and was appauled! There was too much violence! I want my $20 back! I didn't realize that I would be forced to see all the blood and gore! Change the movie for me or I won't watch "Blood and Gore XIV".

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Gully311 wrote:

Sorry but I just cant agree with this.

If you want to not be bothered with Forced PvP, Bounty Hunters etc... drop all your Force skills and pick up non-Jedi professions again.

Think of playing a Jedi in SWG as having your difficulty mode on 'hard' while everyone else plays on 'easy'. Frankly I'm surprised that an old vet like you posted this.

I welcome Bounty Hunter attacks, they're exciting. I love a good fight against a good BH. And I especially love a quick fight against a bad BH.

The best... running from a trash-talking, jerky BH and making him waste all that time and resources.

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I want to be a jedi, without the hassle with the BHs. I want PvP. But I want to choose the time myself.

This is a game, and BHs are ruining my gameplay. Each time I face a BH they have disrupted by play. and usually I die because i am usually in a tough fight.

We know people want to play jedi. And I know many people have left the game unhappy because they want to play jedi but get interrupted all the time.

It has to be possible to be a jedi, without facing BHs all the time they leave the house, because they want to play the game with their friends. Doing missions like Neocris or whatever else this game have to offer!

Also, theres nothing more in the game that creates bad mood between players then the BH forced PvP.

Get rid of it I say.

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Shadow2k wrote:
Bring back Saber TEF's. They day they went away, Jedi came out of hiding in record numbers. Sad.

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Niccolado wrote:

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Gully311 wrote:

Sorry but I just cant agree with this.

If you want to not be bothered with Forced PvP, Bounty Hunters etc... drop all your Force skills and pick up non-Jedi professions again.

Think of playing a Jedi in SWG as having your difficulty mode on 'hard' while everyone else plays on 'easy'. Frankly I'm surprised that an old vet like you posted this.

I welcome Bounty Hunter attacks, they're exciting. I love a good fight against a good BH. And I especially love a quick fight against a bad BH.

The best... running from a trash-talking, jerky BH and making him waste all that time and resources.

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I want to be a jedi, without the hassle with the BHs. I want PvP. But I want to choose the time myself.

This is a game, and BHs are ruining my gameplay. Each time I face a BH they have disrupted by play. and usually I die because i am usually in a tough fight.

We know people want to play jedi. And I know many people have left the game unhappy because they want to play jedi but get interrupted all the time.

It has to be possible to be a jedi, without facing BHs all the time they leave the house, because they want to play the game with their friends. Doing missions like Neocris or whatever else this game have to offer!

Also, theres nothing more in the game that creates bad mood between players then the BH forced PvP.

Get rid of it I say.

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Jacella wrote:

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DocSavag wrote:

When I am paid to play this game and I take an oath to play it a certain way your analogy will work until then it's a straw man argument. This is a game that I play for entertainment. If I am not entertained I quit playing and I quit sending in my money. If LA/SOE wants my money they will make changes to make the game more enjoyable to me. Now you and I might have different opinions about how the game should be played. They might have to make a choice about which of us they want to keep. Who do they choose? They choose the best way to keep the most accounts. In your face "Deal with it" is an attitude that you can espouse but the people trying to pay the bills in Austin, TX don't have that luxury.

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I went to a movie last week. It was "Blood and Gore XIII". I bought the popcorn, a soda, and some ju-ju bees. I sat down and was appauled! There was too much violence! I want my $20 back! I didn't realize that I would be forced to see all the blood and gore! Change the movie for me or I won't watch "Blood and Gore XIV".

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Who's point are you trying to make here? If "Blood and Gore XIIII" loses money the chances of "Blood and GORE XIV" getting made at all are slim. The producers are going to go back to the drawing board and try to figure out why current audiences didn't like their film. The next one will refelct that or it won't many any money.

A better comparison would be The TV Show West Wing. The show was conceived to be about the staff of the President. The actual character of the President was supposed to be sparingly used and in fact the lead in the show was suposed to be Rob Lowe. In fact the initial episodes proved that that idea wasn't going to work. Their audience wanted to see Martain Sheen as the president. They could have said "too bad, watch something else" and the audience would have happily done just that. They chose to listen to their audience and adapt the show to match the viewers desires their success proves it was the right decison even though it did lead to a contact dispute with Lowe and his departure from the show.

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Niccolado wrote:

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Gully311 wrote:

Sorry but I just cant agree with this.

If you want to not be bothered with Forced PvP, Bounty Hunters etc... drop all your Force skills and pick up non-Jedi professions again.

Think of playing a Jedi in SWG as having your difficulty mode on 'hard' while everyone else plays on 'easy'. Frankly I'm surprised that an old vet like you posted this.

I welcome Bounty Hunter attacks, they're exciting. I love a good fight against a good BH. And I especially love a quick fight against a bad BH.

The best... running from a trash-talking, jerky BH and making him waste all that time and resources.

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I want to be a jedi, without the hassle with the BHs. I want PvP. But I want to choose the time myself.

This is a game, and BHs are ruining my gameplay. Each time I face a BH they have disrupted by play. and usually I die because i am usually in a tough fight.

We know people want to play jedi. And I know many people have left the game unhappy because they want to play jedi but get interrupted all the time.

It has to be possible to be a jedi, without facing BHs all the time they leave the house, because they want to play the game with their friends. Doing missions like Neocris or whatever else this game have to offer!

Also, theres nothing more in the game that creates bad mood between players then the BH forced PvP.

Get rid of it I say.

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DocSavag wrote:

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Jacella wrote:

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DocSavag wrote:

When I am paid to play this game and I take an oath to play it a certain way your analogy will work until then it's a straw man argument. This is a game that I play for entertainment. If I am not entertained I quit playing and I quit sending in my money. If LA/SOE wants my money they will make changes to make the game more enjoyable to me. Now you and I might have different opinions about how the game should be played. They might have to make a choice about which of us they want to keep. Who do they choose? They choose the best way to keep the most accounts. In your face "Deal with it" is an attitude that you can espouse but the people trying to pay the bills in Austin, TX don't have that luxury.

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I went to a movie last week. It was "Blood and Gore XIII". I bought the popcorn, a soda, and some ju-ju bees. I sat down and was appauled! There was too much violence! I want my $20 back! I didn't realize that I would be forced to see all the blood and gore! Change the movie for me or I won't watch "Blood and Gore XIV".

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Who's point are you trying to make here? If "Blood and Gore XIIII" loses money the chances of "Blood and GORE XIV" getting made at all are slim. The producers are going to go back to the drawing board and try to figure out why current audiences didn't like their film. The next one will refelct that or it won't many any money.

A better comparison would be The TV Show West Wing. The show was conceived to be about the staff of the President. The actual character of the President was supposed to be sparingly used and in fact the lead in the show was suposed to be Rob Lowe. In fact the initial episodes proved that that idea wasn't going to work. Their audience wanted to see Martain Sheen as the president. They could have said "too bad, watch something else" and the audience would have happily done just that. They chose to listen to their audience and adapt the show to match the viewers desires their success proves it was the right decison even though it did lead to a contact dispute with Lowe and his departure from the show.

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RyFord wrote:

You, my friend, have no place to give your opinion. In the beginning everyone was told there WOULD BE A WAY to stay off the terminals. Pre-Pub 9 when many of us unlocked all we had to do was kill the creatures and we would be fine.

The problem here is that the Dev Team has coded this game so horribly bad that NPCs are spawning on top of Jedi during CREATURE LAIRS.

This is not the chance you take as a Jedi, this is the chance you take by playing a badly coded game and for you to whine or otherwise complain to try and rationalize a system rife with broken game mechanics, is pretty pathetic from someone who is a CORRESPONDENT and is now FLAMING A PROFESSION

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Okay, first of all for anyone who hasn't figured this out yet... Tanks has a Master Powers Jedi

We all clear on that? He's got 2 BH, a Jedi, a shipwright, and probably a few other toons as well. Do you honestly think someone with enough free time to be a corro wouldn't have ground out a Jedi by now?

Secondly, he's not flaming your profession you twit. He's trying to improve it. Here's the deal and you have two choices:

Choice A) Jedi is super easy, but not very powerful

Choice B) Jedi is super hard, but very powerful

Tanks wants choice B, as do many veteran PvP Jedi. If you read the choices correctly, you'll see that Tanks actually wants Jedi to be made into a better profession.

Other people want choice A. It's opens the class to the most amount of people, but in return it eventually waters down the class to a glorified swordsman/doc. Because this choice seems to be the most popular, yes, given time I'm sure we'll see NPC vis removed. As a consequence, you are only going to see more nerfs to your profession.

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I can only speak for myself on this one. The hardest part for me as a veteran Jedi is being in this "limbo" state where we seem to be waiting for some kind of decision by the devs as to whether it will be option A or B.

I can appreciate that access to a finished template Jedi is much easier now than it was, and that the reduction of risk/effort has brought with it a decrease in our strength. This was not always the case though, and having it easy and watered down was not why many of us chose to be a Jedi. We chose it for the challenge, and the promises of rewards for completing that challenge.

I do not want to see the reward for mastery of the Jedi profession reduced to a second charachter slot and a class with unique appearance/animations but average in regards to performance.

I once heard a Dev say that he felt the sole reward for unlocking and completing the Jedi grind should be the privelage of playing a Jedi, and that a player Jedi should be equal to all of the other professions.

If that is where we are headed then I want to get off of the ship, because that is not the destination I was promised.



Buku
Naritus

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Leiowyn wrote:

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NoviceRangerFlurry wrote:

Then play your alt if they are so much better, its why you are given one.

And you don't get vis on an alt, and no one sees a Jedi camping

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Almost every reply of yours is play your alt, you sound like a scratched 45 bud!

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Actually it's not, however many people throughout this thread have stated the same, because it is true.

And i have only pointed out the obvious, if your "alt" is so much more powerful than your Jedi, why would you bother taking your Jedi to the boss loot places ?

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This may be the underlying complaint that they have.

Why is their alt more effective atm than their Jedi?

Why is there a downside to playing a toon that does not have a corresponding upside?

Why are BH the only combat profession rewarded with profession specific content for a template that takes a week at best?

In other words why did they have to grind so long for a toon that gives them less play options and effectiveness than a normal profession?



Buku
Naritus

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BukuJohnson wrote:

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Leiowyn wrote:

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NoviceRangerFlurry wrote:

Then play your alt if they are so much better, its why you are given one.

And you don't get vis on an alt, and no one sees a Jedi camping

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Almost every reply of yours is play your alt, you sound like a scratched 45 bud!

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Actually it's not, however many people throughout this thread have stated the same, because it is true.

And i have only pointed out the obvious, if your "alt" is so much more powerful than your Jedi, why would you bother taking your Jedi to the boss loot places ?

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This may be the underlying complaint that they have.

Why is their alt more effective atm than their Jedi?

Why is there a downside to playing a toon that does not have a corresponding upside?

Why are BH the only combat profession rewarded with profession specific content for a template that takes a week at best?

In other words why did they have to grind so long for a toon that gives them less play options and effectiveness than a normal profession?



Buku
Naritus

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well said!