Items And Loot Archive

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Spinnthrift wrote:

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CorenLanra wrote:All is great in theory... In theory you might have someone that is patient enough to hold on to these exceptional loots you speak of. I haven't seen any stocks over 100 dmg or any barrels over 100dmg posted anywhere to get even close to what you are talking. What theoretical breakdown are you talkin for these specific parts? Has _anyone_ ever posted screenshots of these? I'd wager that an exceptional weapon would drop long before you could loot the components to top it.

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Have *they* held on.. no... would I? Different question. There are a few screenies of weapons made up with the individual pieces - there's exceptional barrels on the WS forum I think, although they are rare. Took me a long time to actually piece together the information to work it out with the guys, but we've seen enough between us to know what stats can go to.

I'm a Commando now and looking for faster than -0.4 speed barrels, so far even exceptional barrels tend to only be -0.4 speed. Of the ones I've seen.

Lemme go see if I can find the barrel screenie!

BBS.

Couldn't find an exceptional barrel clicky, so I brought you an exceptional scope clicky instead.

Message Edited by Spinnthrift on 03-24-2005 10:32 AM

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Sehera wrote:

nice to have all the feedback!

spinnthrift, what i wanted to ask you.

Think of the situation that you dont have an exceptional weapon, and you go with 2 or 3 mates to hunt to down a gorax or an acklay, lets just say to have some group fun on high lvl mobs.. now you arrive at your destination and all you see is a single person sitting there, now waiting silently with you for the next spawn... then there he is, lets say the acklay... 15s (fifteen seconds) later hes down, you gave him 2 shots, leaving you with 234 xp and no loot rights... this is all you have come for...

So tell, spinnthrif, how you feel now??? how you feel after the second time you had this experience?? How after the third?

In answer to your questions - I've been on both sides of the fence. I've been lent a 1400 max damage T-21, been wandering down to the Acklay and had someone go "Oh shoot, you've got so and so's gun haven't you?", was quite well known amidst the forum souls that I was wandering around having a laugh with this gun... We get to acklay, and the guy knows he's going to lose, but he goes anyways. Before the Acklay spawns - I invite him and share the loot. Some nice bones, I think 90 - 150 I think.. can't remember to be honest. I've had the exceptional weapons and I've not been a git with them, so I don't see them as a problem.

I've also been to the Acklay as a Commando, knowing the only way I get to kill it is if no one else attacks it. Some guy runs in, with a 4k max damage PH and I get no loot. It irks me, but I knew the score when I built this template. I also know that I can be outdamaged as a rifleman or swordsman etc (and I have been almost every combat profession in the game)... Sure - it bugs me that some people can be made into worse people by weapons of that power, but not everyone is a git in the game and there's some great people out there with these broken weapons who'll help you. Fact that they don't decay is irrelevant to me really - people are having fun. Nyax will always be camped by loot monkeys who're afk, and usually not alone. I don't honestly remember the last time I was at Nyax...

And plz, dont get personal (quite - really - did you need to add the comment you did? no, but that's ok... you can make snotty remarks below), I would like to keep this thread on the matter...

what we have now so far:

1) exception weapons are really cool fun for the rare ppls having them, ADKs allow them to use them

2) exceptional weapon may be able to craft with exceptional weapon components, so just to limit ADKs on serialed weapons may prove unfair

3) ADKs break in some way economy, especially for weaponssmiths - this isn't that big an issue, only one adk at most for each person on the server. Most players have at least two weapons (bar TK's) so that's really the only line affected. However- teras kasi isn't a rich players profession, yes I know, some people may be millionaire TKA's, but - it's using a DPS analogy and the weapons for TK aren't that hard to acquire considering speed caps. Mostly it's scare mongering.

4) the real problem is AFK campers with exceptional weapons, you cannot outdamage even though ur atk and hes afk. Totally agree with you here, but I've lost out to AFK campers before.

5) exceptional weapons, and exceptional built LS make pvp somewhat silly - LS aren't that out of kilter, again - from heavy experience of testing, an ADK'd PSG can counter this totally and any melee template can beat a Jedi with the right equipment. Why ADK's are good is because they allow Jedi to play the game without having to spend literally 10's - 20's of millions on a weapon that they can destroy in a few days. I know.. some people consider this to be untrue because they've used a rifle continuously on nuna for a month straight (as have I), but blatting Krayt/SBD's/DJM's/(DWW/DWG/DWB's) hack out weapons a lot quicker.

6) theres no cost for using something which cost should be extremly high by design (ADKS on excpetional weapons)

7) ADKs are a really cool veteran reward, which nobody wants to miss

Your other arguements are jumping on a bandwagon here - the guy calling them a cancer is collecting them faster than I have.

Did I miss anything? What else do we have?

Plz spare me with "your a whiner posts", I can understand you feel that way and give you the tip to continue your lonely krayt ancient soloing live for flawless pearl stockpiling...

Aren't you just the comedy poster. I built the char to take down DJM's and DWBin a team - one side effect is that my template can drop an Ancient. So yeah, when I don't have the DJM/DWB guys about to go play - I go hunt Ancients in search of tissues and pearls etc to make me wealthier and stronger. Please spare me the sob story that you think I'm lonely just because I can do something. You asked me to keep it from being personal up the top - then you portray me as a lonely soul. Please... don't try and keep yourself aloof.

Sehera The Lonely Soul (that's a joke), Gabriel'

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CorenLanra wrote:


Still haven't said what dmg barrels or stock you planned on looting Scopes arent used in T21.
For example you would need a 300dmg set of ELEVEN krayt tissue, +111 dmg barrel and +140dmg stock to equal a 900dmg T21 Unsliced, then pray for 35% dmg slice to even hope of getting near 1200 to pup to 1600, you see why I said you were smokin? I haven't seen any screenshots or proof of any component loots anywhere close to those values. It just would never ever happen, not even if you sacraficed Leia to the slicing & loot gods.

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There's a pic of *a* T-21 that used exceptional barrels - by my calculations - the barrel was at least +100 max damage. Or maybe 98 if they'd got a T-21 to 411 max already.

I've said this is what you can push a crafted weapon to. One of the better WS's on my server was going through what *could* be made with me. I'm sorry if I trust his entire SWG and multiple capped accountrunning time as a WS when he says a component can go to x, y, or z stat. This was then verified by another.

Or there's this thread: Clicky, close- 77 MIN damage,

There's also this thread - which I believe you were bidding in, which had a barrel (pistol at almost 10x better speed than a looted one)...

I've seen screenshots of exceptional barrels going over 100 damage, so I know they exist. I've seen enough exceptional/legendary stuff going over 10x base to know they exist as well. They are out there, will just take me a while to find them. And as for slices.. well, I had a single bone (almost worthy of the exceptional tag)from a loot made into a single hammer, and that hammer got a 33% damage slice, while I'll take crates of T-21's and not get a single +30% damage slice. I'm guessing I'm allowed to have a little luck sometimes to even out the bad luck elsewhere.

Sorry if you feel I'm smoking something because I know what *can* be done... doing it is another question entirely... but I'm working on it, when I'm not raiding DWB or DJM's.

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Sehera wrote:

in comparison to you spinnthrift, i never adressed you personally (did you read your post again?)... and i make little comments...

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I said you were whining because you don't have an ADK'd Exceptional Weapon and you're stating they should be removed. I've been on both sides of the fence and think there's no real issue with them because people with Exceptional weapons can be beaten and do get beaten.

And when I bring a group to do something, and someone else brings a group to do something and I get outdamaged - that's the nature of SWG. Exceptional Weapons aren't the problem. The way groups and damage is decided is - mob locking would solve problems with people who are behaving in the manner you're complaining about. Or would you then be upset that someone can kill Krayt quicker than you, or so on?

Your initial gripe started with - fourth line in, and I quote:

"There are some players with there T21s doing 15k dmg appearing everywhere throught out my galaxy outdamaging everyone."

You know - there are people with exceptionals and legendary's around every galaxy. My point was - that some players with exceptionals show respect to others, other players don't. If you started a fight with a creature and locked into combat with that creature - would you have a problem with exceptional weapons? Maybe, but your arguements would still be the same. Screaming for nerf - when fixing the fubared mechanics would be a vastly better option... Or am I wrong?

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Spinnthrift wrote:

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CorenLanra wrote:Still haven't said what dmg barrels or stock you planned on looting Scopes arent used in T21.For example you would need a 300dmg set of ELEVEN krayt tissue, +111 dmg barrel and +140dmg stock to equal a 900dmg T21 Unsliced, then pray for 35% dmg slice to even hope of getting near 1200 to pup to 1600, you see why I said you were smokin? I haven't seen any screenshots or proof of any component loots anywhere close to those values. It just would never ever happen, not even if you sacraficed Leia to the slicing & loot gods.

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There's a pic of *a* T-21 that used exceptional barrels - by my calculations - the barrel was at least +100 max damage. Or maybe 98 if they'd got a T-21 to 411 max already.

I've said this is what you can push a crafted weapon to. One of the better WS's on my server was going through what *could* be made with me. I'm sorry if I trust his entire SWG and multiple capped account running time as a WS when he says a component can go to x, y, or z stat. This was then verified by another.

Or there's this thread: Clicky, close- 77 MIN damage,

There's also this thread - which I believe you were bidding in, which had a barrel (pistol at almost 10x better speed than a looted one)...

I've seen screenshots of exceptional barrels going over 100 damage, so I know they exist. I've seen enough exceptional/legendary stuff going over 10x base to know they exist as well. They are out there, will just take me a while to find them. And as for slices.. well, I had a single bone (almost worthy of the exceptional tag) from a loot made into a single hammer, and that hammer got a 33% damage slice, while I'll take crates of T-21's and not get a single +30% damage slice. I'm guessing I'm allowed to have a little luck sometimes to even out the bad luck elsewhere.

Sorry if you feel I'm smoking something because I know what *can* be done... doing it is another question entirely... but I'm working on it, when I'm not raiding DWB or DJM's.

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Spinnthrift wrote:

You know - there are people with exceptionals and legendary's around every galaxy. My point was - that some players with exceptionals show respect to others, other players don't. If you started a fight with a creature and locked into combat with that creature - would you have a problem with exceptional weapons? Maybe, but your arguements would still be the same. Screaming for nerf - when fixing the fubared mechanics would be a vastly better option... Or am I wrong?

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ur not, totally agree on you with that. The real problem for my "personal good game experience" is that i can bring 20 ppl kill sth and the 21st with the T21 gets the loot...

And its not only that you upset only because u lost the loot. But you feel somewhat helpless, because you dont feel like, yeah me and my friends did it, we kill that damn creature... not its thru the group more like "oh damn, the one outdamanged us"
Personally, i think ADKs + Lootweapons are the problem atm because if the "fubared mechanics", but other also say that the dmg done by only one person taken into account is by design... do we have a word of devs on that? I wonder... maybe we should carry the discussion on on that matter...
To come to the point...i think a group of 20 doing 90% of the dmg on creature should definitly get lootrights instead of the 21st doing 10% so twice the average a single other one does on it... THEN i would have no problems with excpetional weapons at all!

Sehera

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Spinnthrift wrote:

ADK + Looted weapons aren't a huge deal, really - the big problems which have been countlessly discussed are in fact issues like mob locking, kill stealing and lack of instanced high end content. I agree utterly that your personal game experience can be marred by individuals, but it was able to be marred by individuals long before you started playing (long before I started playing too for that matter).

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Kakabus wrote:

But the thing about Exceptional Weapons + ADKs unbalancing PVP is a joke...

1st off: I do have an exceptional weapon. Its a vibro axe that does over 1100+ damage with a PU. Now would this weapon ever see the light of day? No. Why? Condition loss. If used would you ever put a PU on it? No. Why? Condition loss. I really think that ADKs were not only ment for players to get those weapons out and use them until D-Day hits and everything is junk. But its also for Jedi as well...No more buying pearls/crystals once u get that perfect saber.

2nd: That vibro axe is garbage in PVP. AP1 only. Kinetic Damage. And I have no way to kd/dizzy anyone. Everybody seems to be wearing their 90% kin helms every time I fight somebody. So does my weapon unbalance PVP...Not in the least bit. Only thing it works well on are Jedi. But I cannot kd them so they just can run away and heal up.

Message Edited by Kakabus on 03-20-2005 05:55 AM

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