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Thread: AT-ST

TheMourningstar
Mon May 31, 2004 2:53 pm
#14

When getting missions from a terminal it bases the available missions off total group strength, it doesn't matter if the AT-ST can actually fight.
IZenegade
Wed Apr 13, 2005 11:00 am
#15

AT-STs shouldn't drop anything, they should increase the faction given from those things. We have elite nova troopers to get loot off of.



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IZenegade
Wed Apr 13, 2005 2:45 pm
#16

Rebel Commandants or Elite Nova Troopers.


Besides, Commandos were supposed to be the "tank busters" because of there access to the Rocket Launchers. I remembered Krayted RLs that drop Krayts in 4 hits



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Oggat
Wed Apr 13, 2005 9:48 pm
#17


So Swordy is what in this game if Commando is the tank?


A stepping stone to Jedi? A good place to bank experience for the FS part of Jedi?


SWJ

Not

SWG


Edit:

I will agree, Commando is a high end char, Nice one too. They are the char to have if you want to walk on Elite Nova troopers. Resist numbers point to that. I have made my runs at elite nova troopers and the only times I have lived was due to lag and my char running outside thier agro field before he incapped. My ability to damage them had nothing to do with it. 3200 HAM was a 4 hit wonder for them, even with full comp sliced to 80 80/ 90 90 90 90. Don't ask me why my char gets chewed so bad, he does though.

Message Edited by Oggat on 04-13-2005 10:00 PM

Oggat
Wed Apr 13, 2005 9:49 pm
#18

Sorry DanoCollins, I don't like grind combat. Macro the combat sequence, agro an NS and go watch TV? Yea, that rocks.
DanoCollins
Wed Apr 13, 2005 10:52 pm
#19






Oggat wrote:

Sorry DanoCollins, I don't like grind combat. Macro the combat sequence, agro an NS and go watch TV? Yea, that rocks.






Oh, good idea. Here I was sitting at the keyboard the whole time.



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RudyB
Thu Apr 14, 2005 12:07 am
#20

Man I always take on AT-ST's, whether I get pawned or not & even though they're a complete waste of armour I just can't leave one of those stupid great metal chickens standing there looking all smug



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DanoCollins
Thu Apr 14, 2005 12:12 am
#21






Oggat wrote:

Speaking as a Master Swordsman who has yet to find his real niche in the SWG realm, I notice we seem built to kill AT-ST. They are vulnerable to Blast and an AT-ST toe to Toe with a Master Swordy, hammer in handis actually the closest thing to a fair fight I have seen in this game. Another thing I have noticed is they don't fare out so well in reward. Never drop loots or credits and plunk the big sum of 15 faction points on you, the same as a Storm trooper you could waste in 5 seconds with far less damage to your equipment and health. I still kill AT-ST and if I have an audience, for sure. If I am solo and looking for points, creds or loots I am more inclined to work around it though and save my goods for another day.


I am looking for any reason to not make Oggat a Jedi. I'm hoping SOE sees the virtue in that. Hoping to get a loot drop from an AT-ST some day, maybe?






Fair fight? These things go down in seconds. A fair fight for a Swordsman with a PuP'd hammer is an Elder or Giant Krayt and above.



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Oggat
Thu Apr 14, 2005 3:09 am
#22

OK, well lets put this is the simplest terms.


I don't believe you.


Master Brawler/ Master Swordsman/ Master Scout


I have tried what you suggest several times, on both AI and I have failed miserably every thime. For real, the chars are pretty linear. Creativity isn't a real issue. Swordy is a headhit3 spammer with/clearcombatquae and/heal if you have it.Foods that could help have around half the life it would take to kill either one and twice the fill times. No brandy means your specials are limited, your drink bar is a dedicated bar to brandy. AA/CA would work but in order to get the numbers needed to take an NS, you need to beat an NS. Krayts don't drop CA's or AA's


I will grant you part, there issome truth to your statement. If Oggat wanted to dedicate 45 minutes to a Krayt, he could beat it because I just got Pharm 4. With Scout, there is a creature to hit bonus and Krayt could be beaten with a Hammer as it doesn't chew up mind in special cost. Scythe does, faster than it will recover. Scythe is good for short, fierce battles. If I had a max speed, I wouldn't have the luxury of slamming headhit3 with a hammer either. Part of beating AT-ST involves using a the +10 stat stims for speed and accuracy and the end of the battle leaves my mind half gone.


Maybe I have a bugged char, maybe you are right but I can say with absolute certainty, what you suggested is NOT possible with Oggat. That char can't win those battles.Maybe a force sensetive on could, maybe an unlocked Jedi second char Swordy could. Not a Master Swordsman, fresh char and to suggest one can is just bait for noobs to visit a cloning facility.
DanoCollins
Thu Apr 14, 2005 7:29 am
#23





Oggat wrote:
OK, well lets put this is the simplest terms.


I don't believe you.


You don't believe I can take down an AT-ST in seconds with an ADK/PuP'd PH with 935 Max Damage, while being speed capped, FS Melee Accuracy +12 , and numerous other mods?


or


You don't believe I sit at the keyboard and kill Krayts? I do, and it certainly doesn't take 45 minutes.


Master Brawler/ Master Swordsman/ Master Scout


I have tried what you suggest several times, on both AI and I have failed miserably every thime. For real, the chars are pretty linear. If "linear" means "the same", I can't agree. I have never seen a Krayt carry a Stun Bat, have you? Creativity isn't a real issue. Swordy is a headhit3 spammer with/clearcombatquae and/heal if you have it. Ever try Area Attack 3or Two-Hand Hit 3 to stick a dizzy first? Foods that could help have around half the life it would take to kill either one and twice the fill times. No brandy means your specials are limited, your drink bar is a dedicated bar to brandy. Obviously, you get a mind buff and drink2 brandy for overkill...you know that I hope.AA/CA would work but in order to get the numbers needed to take an NS, you need to beat an NS. Krayts don't drop CA's or AA's


Yes, they actually do. Also, you can buy NS dropped AA/CA's from other players, without having to kill one.


I will grant you part, there issome truth to your statement. If Oggat wanted to dedicate 45 minutes to a Krayt, he could beat it because I just got Pharm 4. With Scout, there is a creature to hit bonus and Krayt could be beaten with a Hammer as it doesn't chew up mind in special cost. Scythe does, faster than it will recover.MIND BUFF/BRANDY Scythe is good for short, fierce battles.And anything that a Swordsman needs to hit without Kinetic resists.If I had a max speed, I wouldn't have the luxury of slamming headhit3 with a hammer either. MIND BUFF/BRANDY Part of beating AT-ST involves using a the +10 stat stims for speed and accuracy and the end of the battle leaves my mind half gone.


Maybe I have a bugged char, maybe you are right but I can say with absolute certainty, what you suggested is NOT possible with Oggat. That char can't win those battles.Maybe a force sensetive on could, maybe an unlocked Jedi second char Swordy could. Not a Master Swordsman, fresh char and to suggest one can is just bait for noobs to visit a cloning facility.




Read my comments throughout your post...it appears you want my eye turned to you, so...you shall have it.


First off, let's be honest here. I don't think you understand the profession of Master Swordsman enough to maximize the abilities of the character.


Second, learn how to use mind buffs and brandy properly, and you will be able to spam attacks all day...the secondary mind stats do matter, you know. Also, if you are dropping HAM fast, and not regenerating, I will assume you wear a full composite suit of armor. One way to increase regen is to only wear a helmet, gloves, chest and boots - the mini-set of 4. The bracers, pants and biceps add encumbrance and usually hurt you in most cases.


Finally, I think I understand what you were trying to say in your first post.


"I am looking for any reason to not make Oggat a Jedi. I'm hoping SOE sees the virtue in that. Hoping to get a loot drop from an AT-ST some day, maybe?"


You are asking for high-end loot to drop out of an NPC that you are evenly matched with, like an AT-ST. You don't feel that it is fair that only the FS, speed-capped, super-PH wielding Master Swordsman should be able to kill NS and Krayts and get all the high-end loot, because you don't want to be a Jedi, so you'll never be FS to get to this level.


So, in summary, you want SOE to reward you for working half as hard as the rest of us. I hate to tell you, but going through all the steps to become FS, and then filling the trees doesn't mean you have to become a Jedi. Several people in game use the FS for a boost in regular player skills.


This is currently a game that requires you to spend credits and time to gain anything. Level appropriate loot is a nice idea, but I doubt it will happen. The CU is coming in a few weeks, so I'm sure the game will totally change from what we have now, so maybe your prayers will be answered.





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IZenegade
Thu Apr 14, 2005 11:18 am
#24


The only reason why Swordsman are good for PvE is because of their access to multiple damage types (enhanced by Acklay, geonosian cubes, etc), their defenses are almost as high as a TKM, as well as being able to stick bleeds.


They are the profession to be.


You just have to know what to fight. a Scythe that is kinetic does NOTHING to an elder, unless of course you give them enough battle fatigue. Krayts have a weakness to Cold, but because a T21 is has a heavy AP rating, it'll deal more damage...


You have to use strategy, not rely on just one beat stick.

Message Edited by IZenegade on 04-14-2005 01:18 PM



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ice33b
Thu Apr 14, 2005 11:20 am
#25

Get an ID to migrate your stats to max mind (800/1100/1100) as doc buffs will cover your health and action so they can be a min value (400 for all).

Drop Scout, you are killing your Swordsman by wasting valuable points in a profession that doesnt help you fight anything.

Try a stacker template (Swords/Fencer/TKM) or a healer template (Swords/Doc). Either one is best suited for killing anything in the game solo. The stacker makes you not need to heal as you will be able to absorb a rediculous amount of damage while dishing out pain with the PH or Scythe. The healer lets you compensate for your lack of defense with the ability to heal yourself for 3k health/action every time, and kill bleeds/poisons/disease as well.

Find yourself a decent hammer (650+ max dmg) and decent armor (80% base comp) and get full buffs from doc and ent, take 2 brandy and run around killing anything you want.

Krayts are easy and take no more then 2-3min to kill if they are Juvis, 7-10 for Canyons, 15+ for anything bigger but you should be grouped if you want to take on Giants, Ancients, and Grands.

NS go down just as fast, if not faster then Krayts. Anything less then a Protector/Elder will die in 1min or less, Protectors take 2-3min, Elders can take 5-10.

AT-ST...15-30 seconds and its dead. Period. Not a challenge for any swordsman or any elite combat prof for that matter.



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Oggat
Sun Apr 17, 2005 2:15 am
#26

OK Dano, I never asked for your attention, you jumped my post. Just to shut you up, I will make Oggat a jedi. Like I said, Swordy Max speed, FS defence, one in a million hammer is not the other 99% of Swordy in the game.


My HAM is set for speed.


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And I wear a 5 piece, head, gloves, chest, pants and boots. I need the pants to keep damage down on my quick because without them, I am getting wound to 1/1 without buff in half an hour. They don't take my action, they takemy recovery.


So far as loot go, I was thinking maybe a pup component forDE and I am not a DE. But it is a robot, that made sense. You tell me what a big loot is?Let me guess, you have been here since beta, yadda, yadda, yadda. I am going to bow down at your feet or something? Get bent.
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