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Thread: Image Designer RIP-OFF

michael_rem
Sat Jun 05, 2004 1:38 pm
#79

The point (for me) isent that IDs get it done in 10 min and that it takes 2 days to do it the old way (unless you do massive changes in witch case it takes longer). The point for me is that it used to be that i could switch stats around, over time.


I fell for IDs now. It seems that it sucks just as mutch for you guys as it does for the rest off us. From many posters here who say that they wont even do them unless its for a friend should speak woulmes for any DEV reading this.


Just_Bri
Sat Jun 05, 2004 4:17 pm
#80

I am copying this from a thread in the smuggler forums:



Coronet- Cantina






Guy: hey Does the Schematic for Molecular Clamp Require all copper


Me: Umm Yeah


Guy: Can you make a Schematic for me?


Me: Its gonna cost you


Guy: Well can you


Me: Yeah


Guy: Ok I'll give you the copper


Me: Fair enough, since its your copper ill charge you 3/4 the price


Guy: Ok I want it set to make 475


Me: Ok lemme figure out how much that will cost


Couple Calcs, turns out to be aorund 76k, drop it to 60k


Me: Thatll be 60k


Guy: What?


Me: Thats 3/4 of the price as if you bought 475 molecular clamps from me


Guy: What the hell are you fricken over charging me?


Me: Im not overcharging you


Guy: You can make it for free, just make it you retard


Me: No, You are paying for a skill I have


Guy: Jus make it for me god


Me: No


Guy: Why the hell not? Im giving you the materials, just make it


Me: Well think of it this way, why doesn't a master armorsmith "give out" the schematics for his comp armor?


*Silence*


Now seriously folks, this guy wanted me to just give away knowledge and skills my character possessed, that is entirely wrong. And the worst part was that this came form another Smuggler, I thought we were supposed to be intellegent... Either the guy was a holo chaser or we need to do some selective weeding of the ranks




Discuss...



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nerfherder321
Sat Jun 05, 2004 6:03 pm
#81
i understand... YET! doing a stat migration IS a complete and utter waste of time, 600 exp for 10 minutes? please, if we only did that one after another, it would take approx 111.11 hours to master ID from novice till master, ALSO it would take approx 100 hours by yourself to mater it too, it is not a fun profession, and for hologrinders its a big BIG wrench in the process.




Cheat Fetto
Aynianu
Sat Jun 05, 2004 6:08 pm
#82
The amount of hassle im getting over Stat migrations im strongly considering right now to actually refuse doing them completely.

10k is all i charge, i think that is already cheap for my time as my time has value and doing stat migration is boring. I get enough customers who are perfectly fine, or who even tip me extra, but i get just a few who really ruin my mood.

SecretFire
Sat Jun 05, 2004 8:44 pm
#83




Just_Bri wrote:

I am copying this from a thread in the smuggler forums:



Coronet- Cantina






Guy: hey Does the Schematic for Molecular Clamp Require all copper


Me: Umm Yeah


Guy: Can you make a Schematic for me?


Me: Its gonna cost you


Guy: Well can you


Me: Yeah


Guy: Ok I'll give you the copper


Me: Fair enough, since its your copper ill charge you 3/4 the price


Guy: Ok I want it set to make 475


Me: Ok lemme figure out how much that will cost


Couple Calcs, turns out to be aorund 76k, drop it to 60k


Me: Thatll be 60k


Guy: What?


Me: Thats 3/4 of the price as if you bought 475 molecular clamps from me


Guy: What the hell are you fricken over charging me?


Me: Im not overcharging you


Guy: You can make it for free, just make it you retard


Me: No, You are paying for a skill I have


Guy: Jus make it for me god


Me: No


Guy: Why the hell not? Im giving you the materials, just make it


Me: Well think of it this way, why doesn't a master armorsmith "give out" the schematics for his comp armor?


*Silence*


Now seriously folks, this guy wanted me to just give away knowledge and skills my character possessed, that is entirely wrong. And the worst part was that this came form another Smuggler, I thought we were supposed to be intellegent... Either the guy was a holo chaser or we need to do some selective weeding of the ranks




Discuss...




Too many fools think that way though. "If I provide the materials I should get it for free or next to nothing." They forget a few important factors.


We spent time to master the skill. We make a living off of the profession we spent time to master. It's not just about the resources but the time and credits we put into training the profession. We have our own bills. We also have intelligence, most of us anyway, to not give our service or time away for FREE. If they want it for free, they should master it themselves.





vBlissv

presently not playing swg actively

KeyTokikoMima
Sun Jun 06, 2004 1:02 am
#84




Just_Bri wrote:

Guy: You can make it for free, just make it you retard


Me: No, You are paying for a skill I have


Guy: Jus make it for me god


Me: No


Guy: Why the hell not? Im giving you the materials, just make it


Me: Well think of it this way, why doesn't a master armorsmith "give out" the schematics for his comp armor?


*Silence*


Now seriously folks, this guy wanted me to just give away knowledge and skills my character possessed, that is entirely wrong. And the worst part was that this came form another Smuggler, I thought we were supposed to be intellegent... Either the guy was a holo chaser or we need to do some selective weeding of the ranks




Discuss...





This came up over the weekend. A Chef asked a BE for schematics for the subcomponentsused to make Brandy,10 full cratesworth of them.. and offered only 20k each. The BE asked how much he sells a *single*case of Brandy for and the Chef answers, 250k. TheBE says "Cut me in for half and maybe I'll consider it." The Chef exploded the same way your Smuggler did, Just_Bri.


It just goes back to the whole: Set your prices to what is fair to you, and hold your ground. You know what things cost to you much better than anyone else does. Don't cheat yourself!
SecretFire
Sun Jun 06, 2004 3:04 am
#85




Ardere wrote:



Customer: My wife is an ID and only charges 5K.


Me: Outstanding! Why aren't you going to her? (listens and hears nothing but crickets)




ROFL!!!! Do people even think before they say something like that?




vBlissv

presently not playing swg actively

Cylindric
Sun Jun 06, 2004 3:58 am
#86
Chances are that he didn't want to spend on a 2nd subscription, and the wife is on a different galaxy.

Still a daft thing to say, but many people don't realise the difference in the economies on the different galaxies.



++ Dr. Cylindric Stargazer, MD, SC, NS ++
SFR
:: Master Doctor :: Warrant Officer II ::
War does not determine who is right, war determines who is left


Ardere
Sun Jun 06, 2004 9:46 am
#87




SecretFire wrote:

ROFL!!!! Do people even think before they say something like that?




I'm thinking not. lol




Ki'lari Kess
Don't let the Master Image Designer tag fool you.
The only constant is change.

Ardere
Sun Jun 06, 2004 9:49 am
#88




Cylindric wrote:

Still a daft thing to say, but many people don't realise the difference in the economies on the different galaxies.



I agree with you. A lot of people don't factor in the economies of various galaxies. I did think that his wife was possibly not on the same server as myself, but I just didn't want to deal with him any more at that point to find out.



Ki'lari Kess
Don't let the Master Image Designer tag fool you.
The only constant is change.

RyadhiMakkar
Mon Jun 07, 2004 6:34 am
#89
This has been one of the most boring things I've done since launch. I started on May 18th and will master tonight. I've been charging on a sliding scale, new characters and rebels fly for free. Most of the rest I have asked "Whatever you think is fair and have received an average of 8-10k credits. I've made adecent amountof money IDing and the majority of my customers have been very generous; best tip was 50k.To all of you looking for an ID I feel your pain,I spent the last weekend doing stat migrations all day with hardly a break. One of the reasonspeople are havingtrouble finding an ID is because most of us don't advertise due to the amount of idiots in the game complaining about the prices, so we end up serving aselect number of clients.Some advice....be polite, be courteous, and understand that IDs for the most part are stuck in a10x20 jail cell for the majority of the day dealing with a ton of bugs,I went LD 4 times and had customers go LD 7. I've found that most IDs are willing to barter and respond well to those who act professionally. If you decide to act like an azz, no price is enough. I've never added anyone to the ignore list before undertaking this prof. With all the time invested for an ID to make novice, 15k for 10mins of work is a bargain.



Col. Farlander
"Lead, follow, or get out of the way."
"We will kill, kill, kill, until everything has been kilt!" Lt. Com. Whitaker
Luti0n
Mon Jun 07, 2004 7:53 am
#90
*beats the dead horse some more then wonders if we could get a dead horse holoemote....*


There are 2 sides to the problem - People used to be able to do stat migrations on their own and it didn't cost them anything before so they don't think they should have to pay anything for it now. The original poster complained 15k was too much, well no matter how much ID"ers charge there's always going to be someone that doesn't like it so obviously free is the only solution....


And on the other side are the ID'ers (which I'm one) that finally have a skill that we can use to make some credits. Seems I can't go anywhere with Master ID in my title any more without getting a request for a stat migration or ID work so you know what? I'm going to charge for it and especially if I just finished getting buffs I'm going to charge a premium because I planned on going hunting. On Starsider the rate has settled down... yes down to 30k. I did 12 migrations over the weekend at that rate. Had 1 customer politely say no thanks (yes he was polite about it) and another laugh at me. I laughed back at him when he was still looking for someone to migrate his stats 3 hours later when I got back from my hunting trip.


We (ID'ers) can do as we please and don't have to do your migration if we don't want too so be careful how much you complain about our prices or you may be looking for a long-long time.


-Lution
Youna
Mon Jun 07, 2004 9:56 am
#91






Tapa wrote:


So many colors it gets confusing.. but the point is in that 10 mins Im migrating your stats I could have done 4 janta missions (just hitting the poles) for 120K, I could have waited on my shuttle and traveled, or I could have fought a PVP battle, hopefully winning. Many things can be done in that 10 minutes, so I think charging 50K is VERY reasonable.







It only takes you 10 minutes to run and finish 4 Janta missions? That sounds like an over exaggeration to me. You might think it is only 10 minutes because time really flys by. But considering that you can only take 2 missions at a time and the amount of time spent driving back and forth between the mission terminals and the mission waypoints, it will take way more than 10 minutes to run and finish 4 Janta missions.


As forthe argumentthat it is taking so long to get to master ID, many of you IDers have already mastered the profession before the mini patch, where you were able to use your macro and master it in 2 hours. Very little time in investment, and absolutely zero costs in resources.


Also, you IDers are not the only one wasting your precious 10 minutes of your time being bored. We non-IDers are also investing and wasting our precious 10 minutes of our time, if not more, looking for an IDer initially and then waiting out the same 10 minutes as you do during the migration process.


We could have waited for our shuttles, we could have run missions, we could have done any other non-boring things just as you claim so. We used to be able to migrate our own stats, no matter how slow it was, at least we were able to do it ourselves. For you to tell us that you IDers are the only ones investing your precious 10 minutes to be bored to death and feel the need to be rewarded seems unjustified.


The playerbase has a legitimate reason to complain about the stat migration prices. Just like you IDers think that you have the legitimate reason behind the prices you are charging. Some players are rude, yes, but also many IDers are rude and greedy as well. It is those people on both sides that are making a huge negative impressions, making matters worse.


Devs, please restore the old way of migrating stats, so this kinda nonsense comes to an end.
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