Image Designer Archive
Thread: State of the Profession: Image Design
In other words, Rilawyn, you are doing as I observed: you are ignoring it in the hope that it goes away, instead of taking one thread to tackle it head-on.
If I were in your shoes, and if I were really interested in being the correspondent, I would embrace the opportunity to clear the air. You already acknowledge that every thread you touch turns into an argument over your qualifications and past work history. So do you want multiple corrupted threads arguing for your head, or just one productive one?
Escia
No need to tell me that FishWan, I already did that. As I stated in my post repeatedly, being vocal here is always in addition to contacting those in charge.
Rilawyn, ignoring urgent issues with your statusin order to keep "your" board safe and clean and huggly isn't the way to deal with concerns. I have not seen a single thread on this forum escalate to a flame war yet, all I've seen were reasonable discussions, so your excuse for ignoring all our concerns is invalid.
But FishWan seems correct insofar as our correspondent just won't get it, and apparently misses every single chance to adjust her attitude. Things have gone too far anyway, so I don't expect any miracles from her anymore. Just don't think I'll play along, it's way too late for our correspondent to regain any trust.
Xixxix wrote:
The third time she threw the gauntlet was when shecompletely ignored all reasoning and all our posts in the discussion thread that dealt with getting a new correspondent in place. Instead of stepping down or at least posting a vote of confidence, she all but ignored everything that was said and didn't even apologize for doing such a bad job in the past. Since then, shekeeps coming up with excuses stating why she cannot do her job properly.
We agree. This is what I was talking about. Even though we continue to make noises about her past performance as correspondent, she refuses to respond or acknowledge there is even dissent. I suggest it is time to stop provoking her to no effect and go above her head.
Escia
hehe Sorry, FishWan. My bad.
I should have waitedfor someone else to go off on a tangent and then couched my flamestoward Rilawyn in a post where I told someone else not be confrontational toward her.
I agree contacting TH about this is a good idea. That's why I advised it twice on these boards already. 
As to my going off on confrontational tangents, I don't agree that it was a bad and altogether counterproductiveidea. It wasn't done with the expectation that a dialogue would begin with our correspondent. It was pretty clearthat wasn't going to happenafter the two threads that politely asked that she be replaced didn't even cause her to raise her head let alone her voice. I became confrontational because Rilawyn deserved it andwe needed to beseen on the radar for a while. I'm finishedcausing any blips to show up regarding this matter. I already said that in my last post.So I think you're a little late with the lecture here.
Good luck to us all in the future, I say. I figure things can only get better on the Image Design Correspondent front.
If speaking out on the subject is what you like to do, MoonLilly, by all means do so.
When I first heard from Kwee that the ID boards were going up in flames over Rilawyn's continued absenteeism, I thought, "Oh, great, now we will argue with each other and stir up plenty of bad blood just deciding how to deal with it." Our forum doesn't need it. We need a quick, quiet, painless changeover and then we need to get back to business. In my opinion, anyway.
Of course, you are free to speak your mind if you think what we need is a loud voice crying out in unison until we are heard and obeyed -- we both want things fixed but we disagree how to do it. We are on the same side but we are nevertheless pulling in different directions. That is what I wanted to avoid; we don't need to throw sticks and stones at each other over something which we essentially agree upon.
Escia
Flames? I have yet to see a single post containing flames on this forum. A heated argument does not equal a flame war in my opinion, it only turns into one when the argumentation shifts onto a personal level.
I'm with MoonLilly on this - if there is no visible evidence for our issues with our correspondent, how are the devs going to tell this is a serious disagreement. Things will die down and be hushed up by our correspondent, and she'll think she can continue and keep her awful job because she successfully ignored all concerns that had been voiced.
And it's nice if you wanted to avoid internal conflict, but I'd prefer if you wouldn't picture those who decide to speak up as flamers and as those who intentially try to tear the image design community apart. Because that's how you're making it sound.
Well, Xixxix, the disagreement between you and I about how and where and when to even discuss the issue is the kind of divisiveness I don't think our forum needs. Our side argument is, in my opinion, a waste of time and energy. We should be focused on overturning Rilawyn's regime and moving on to new business.
As for the characterization of the board "going up in flames," as I put it, that was how it was characterized to me on-line by Kwee -- though she conscientiously added, "as much as our polite forum ever does." When I came to the discussion I found anything but flames, but I cannot deny that my very first thought on hearing her characterization, before I ever saw the boards myself,was, "Uh-oh, we don't need that."
I didn't mean to suggest that you or anyone else was being insulting or belligerent.
I am all for making a change -- as I have continuously said, a reasonable and planned change, without name-calling or hurt feelings or bad blood. Attacking Rilawyn and one-starring her posts feels good but it doesn't accomplish anything. Let's just get this done and get a new correspondent in.
Escia
The thread that has been stickied at the top of the forum (this thread here) is open for discussion, additions, subtractions, etc. It is NOT the final list meant for the developers to work with.
Siela wrote:
So, isthe state of the profession that wasstickied at the top of this forumup for discussion and revision based on what the community feedback is or is this the one that was submitted to the devs already as a done deal?
FishWan wrote:
Well, Xixxix, the disagreement between you and I about how and where and when to even discuss the issue is the kind of divisiveness I don't think our forum needs.
Then why are you actively participating in this "divisiveness" if you're so convinced that our board doesn't need it? Personally, I don't consider this to be a diviseness, as we both have the same goals. It's also not a divisiveness from my side because I don't tell you to be vocal about it and post your opinion on our correspondent publicly. For me, my (and MoonLilly's) approach to this issue appears to be best for me personally - if your approach works for you, fine. The only problem I do have is when someone tries to tell other people how to act or not to act. For someone who claims to be so vividly against "divisiveness", you're doing a good job of furthering whatever gap you're seeing by making accusations towards MoonLilly and myself. If you feel that this board shouldn't have diversive posts, I suggest you heed your own advice and don't get involved into these discussions. Problem solved =).
Leya Sunrunner
Master Image Designer
Chilastra
Hmm, well, without children, isn't being pregnant somewhat pointless?
And I can't see them implementing children, since there's always the problem of some people running around killing them off, which SOE likely doesn't want to deal with.