Image Designer Archive
Thread: Starsider ID Union Price List
RynaNasao
Mon May 10, 2004 5:51 am
#53
good lord give me an edit button.
*ask and you shall receive* 
happy 100th post to me!
Message Edited by RynaNasao on 05-10-2004 06:05 AM
JaredBurton
Mon May 10, 2004 6:48 am
#54
I don't have much to add here, as almost everything has ben said already.
That being the case, it's going to be a long, long, long time before I pay 50k for a stat change (or at least before I cave in to paying that much). This is mainly because I, like all other players, have the ability to do it for free right now. Maybe if prices were set lower and gradually increased I'd have less of a problem with it, but since I often fine-tune my stats daily, adding and subtracting points where needed, I can't say I'm terribly happy with the idea that I won't be able to without finding some ID who then charges me 50k for it.
Not that you don't have the right to, I'm just giving the opinion of one not rich combat character.
Trianna-Xanaphia
Mon May 10, 2004 6:53 am
#55
I totally agree, IDs deserve cash too. I'm an ID, and proud of it. But why would I sit at a tent for 10 minutes, when I can go get a rancor mission for 38000c? The prices are fair in that it makes our time worth while.
I'm on Chilastra, but I will be making a price list like that as well.
my 2credits
I'm on Chilastra, but I will be making a price list like that as well.
my 2credits
Syzygy-Gorath
Mon May 10, 2004 6:55 am
#56
JaredBurton wrote:
I don't have much to add here, as almost everything has ben said already.
That being the case, it's going to be a long, long, long time before I pay 50k for a stat change (or at least before I cave in to paying that much). This is mainly because I, like all other players, have the ability to do it for free right now. Maybe if prices were set lower and gradually increased I'd have less of a problem with it, but since I often fine-tune my stats daily, adding and subtracting points where needed, I can't say I'm terribly happy with the idea that I won't be able to without finding some ID who then charges me 50k for it.
Not that you don't have the right to, I'm just giving the opinion of one not rich combat character.
I've never been a fan of IDs being the sole dispensers of stat migrations. I'm still not. I don't want to see this ability taken away from the general playerbase…but if I'm forced to sit for 10 minutes and stare at a blue window so your stats can be migrated I expect to be reasonably compensated for that time expenditure. I can make about 35K in that time with my alt, and have more fun doing it. 50K to me doesn't seem absurd to make up for lost wages and lost enjoyment caused by the stat migration "look at me and nothing else" screen.
Nevs
Mon May 10, 2004 10:38 am
#57
I'll just make two observations here:
The price for stat migration change is likely due to the fact that ID's don't want to perform that service.
An underlying problem here is with entertainer missions (and lack of ID missions.) It's hard to gauge exactly where everything should be since hologrinding has thrown the economy out of whack.
Diirt
Mon May 10, 2004 10:58 am
#58
To Kwee:
When you fix prices your a Cartel not a Union. I never heard of a union fixing prices. Thread should be renamed to "Starsider ID Cartel Price List".
Anyway your price for changing stats is way over the top. I would consider paying 10k + tip but not 50k. Its not that I’m cheap I have on occasion given 100k tips to IDs. I enjoy giving big tips; I don't enjoy being ripped off. I will never pay 50k for a stat change.
Kwee
Mon May 10, 2004 11:05 am
#59
Thank you for the feedback
Diirt wrote:
To Kwee:
When you fix prices your a Cartel not a Union. I never heard of a union fixing prices. Thread should be renamed to "Starsider ID Cartel Price List".
Anyway your price for changing stats is way over the top. I would consider paying 10k + tip but not 50k. Its not that I’m cheap I have on occasion given 100k tips to IDs. I enjoy giving big tips; I don't enjoy being ripped off. I will never pay 50k for a stat change.
Hmm Cartel has a nice ring to it.
Syzygy-Gorath
Mon May 10, 2004 11:08 am
#60
Diirt wrote:
To Kwee:
When you fix prices your a Cartel not a Union. I never heard of a union fixing prices. Thread should be renamed to "Starsider ID Cartel Price List".
Anyway your price for changing stats is way over the top. I would consider paying 10k + tip but not 50k. Its not that I’m cheap I have on occasion given 100k tips to IDs. I enjoy giving big tips; I don't enjoy being ripped off. I will never pay 50k for a stat change.
Then you won't get one from anyone using this price list. Again, I don't think any of you are getting the message—the vast majority of us don't want to migrate stats. It's slow, it's boring, and it locks us into doing only that. In order to make it worth our while the cost for migration has to take into account all the other things we could be doing in that ten minutes, and the fact that all those other things are likely more fun. As I've said many a time, I can make 35K in 10 minutes with my alt. There is no way I will charge any less than 35K because to do so would be, in essence, taking a loss. Then we get to the fact that I'm being stuck doing something I'd rather not be—I became an ID for aesthetic reasons, not to migrate stats—and that's going to cost you as well. On the whole, 50K is not unreasonable because of the time I have to invest in it. If you don't like that, fine—either find another ID, or don't migrate your stats. Like I said, I don't want to be doing it anyway.
Diirt
Mon May 10, 2004 11:17 am
#61
I'm sorry if this question has been answered already: Why is it going to take 10 minutes to do the stat change? Does that mean people need to sit with the ID for 10 minutes or does it mean that the ID can't do another customer for 10 minutes?
Mystaria
Mon May 10, 2004 11:21 am
#62
Color palette browsing fee: 2k per palette (when a color palette is browsed but no changes are desired in the end, due to the fact there are now 200+ colors)
Slider change: 5k
Color palette change: 10k
Feature plus associated color: 10k (e.g. hairstyle+haircolor, tattoo+tattoocolor)
1 Holo-Emote: 1k (option available at Hair I - IV and Master ID)
All Holo-Emotes: 5k (option available at Hair IVand Master ID)
Stat changeif atleast one ID change is also purchased: 30k
Stat change only: 50k (because it'll be really boring to hit "migrate stats" then just wait for the timer to run out)
I am a Master Image designer and this is my only source of income so I am very interested in any price lists. People have to start thinking more about the TIME as well as the SKILL involved in making changes. There is nothing more annoying to me than the "browser" who does not know what they want and in the end does not purchase anything - after I have spent ages working with them (all in character). For that point I shall do what others here have suggested - ask for a tip up front of 5k before I perform any changes. This 5k will be a minimum fee which is paid in advance.
I think that some of the prices are a litte bit too high but that may just be because I am a soft touch - time for me to start being tough and insisting on a decent wage for a job done just like the doctors do.
Stumpet_Rakingclaw
Mon May 10, 2004 11:25 am
#63
i feel for all you ID's that have been ripped off(including myself both as an id and as a tailor)...and how is 50k too much to charge? i mean seriously it takes what 10 mins for us to do a stat change compared the the days or weeks it takes to just migrate them? i think that is worth 50k...i mean you pay 10k for a mind buff that lasts 2 hours from a dancer or musician...something that lasts 10 hours = 50k...couple that with doc buffs that last 2-3 hours for 10k = 100k just for temp buffs...we do a permanent stat change...so you won't need our services again unless you change professions and figure you need stats some other way...that means out one time 50k lasts for well over the 10 hours of 5 sets of buffs for the same cost...
like-wise you are unable to edit your character once you get in game and end the creation process...our image design profession is the only way to do that...hence why not charge upwards of 10k even per stat...(personal if i change one facial feature i won't charge 10k lol)but on the same level of thinking why should you not have to pay someone for their time??? you pay a doc and a dancer...and its probably better to comapre entertainer mind buffing due to the fact that this also requires no resources...
now how long did it take you one dantooine running quenker missions to accumulate your 50k...i know i can easily do 2 missions every 5-10 minutes for a total of aroudn 13k-14k...so say its 10 mins to be safe...that means that in an hour you can accumulate about 70-80k...i mean thats an hour of your time when you are grinding out your professions anyways lol...seriously folks ID's need the same things you do between mind buffing foods, clothing, housing, etc...i wish taht just once people would look at the economy in this game and go **edit** this is messed up...
as ID's on servers i think the rest of our servers need to do this and sit down and create a reasonable price list and perhaps sticky the thread...i am an ID to stay now(thank gid i love this profession) and personally it might help us all to come up with some prices that will be posted and then associated with our names...if you want to do this on bria my name in game is either Suzume or Kaidoh....Kaidoh is the ID and will be this for the duration of the game and Suzume is a tailor and will be it for the rest of her life lol...so anyways my point is that people need to consider what they are saying before they say it...just because it doesn't take resources doesn't mean that it should be a free service like everyone thinks...
oh and for the docs complaining about cost of bufffs and such...look at your cost per item you make please...then take the time...then calculate how many people you can buff per pack and figure out your cost per set of buffs...i guarentee you are making a lot of cash lol...so on a scale i guarentee for your time and effort you are making the same if not more than an ID even with your costs...just something to think about in the greater scheme of the economy
like-wise you are unable to edit your character once you get in game and end the creation process...our image design profession is the only way to do that...hence why not charge upwards of 10k even per stat...(personal if i change one facial feature i won't charge 10k lol)but on the same level of thinking why should you not have to pay someone for their time??? you pay a doc and a dancer...and its probably better to comapre entertainer mind buffing due to the fact that this also requires no resources...
now how long did it take you one dantooine running quenker missions to accumulate your 50k...i know i can easily do 2 missions every 5-10 minutes for a total of aroudn 13k-14k...so say its 10 mins to be safe...that means that in an hour you can accumulate about 70-80k...i mean thats an hour of your time when you are grinding out your professions anyways lol...seriously folks ID's need the same things you do between mind buffing foods, clothing, housing, etc...i wish taht just once people would look at the economy in this game and go **edit** this is messed up...
as ID's on servers i think the rest of our servers need to do this and sit down and create a reasonable price list and perhaps sticky the thread...i am an ID to stay now(thank gid i love this profession) and personally it might help us all to come up with some prices that will be posted and then associated with our names...if you want to do this on bria my name in game is either Suzume or Kaidoh....Kaidoh is the ID and will be this for the duration of the game and Suzume is a tailor and will be it for the rest of her life lol...so anyways my point is that people need to consider what they are saying before they say it...just because it doesn't take resources doesn't mean that it should be a free service like everyone thinks...
oh and for the docs complaining about cost of bufffs and such...look at your cost per item you make please...then take the time...then calculate how many people you can buff per pack and figure out your cost per set of buffs...i guarentee you are making a lot of cash lol...so on a scale i guarentee for your time and effort you are making the same if not more than an ID even with your costs...just something to think about in the greater scheme of the economy
Ke_la
Mon May 10, 2004 12:29 pm
#64
what do you think? - rather than just using no resources at all (ignore the time argument - I suffer worse time sinks when buffing/ healing/ collecting resources/ making buffpacks etc), either the stat change charge needs to be less, or you have to use a one-use stat change tool that you need to buy off a master artisan.
Buffing - that has already been proven that it is not as bad
Healing - Same as Buffing
Collecting Reasouces - NOT A TIME SINK AS YOU ARE ACCUALLY DOING SOMETHING
Making Buffpacks etc. - see above
I am a Master Droid Engeneer as well as an ID so don't talk to me about how hard the crafting is one of my droids takes upto 7 subcomponances (BLL not counted here) and most of thoughs require subcomponaces and that is BEFORE I make them usefull by puting a module in it. On top of that I have about 35 differant Specific reasouces and I have to use every type of Harvestor there is (other then water) to collect my reasouces. Also many of my parts use Muliple Specifics. So I know what is and is not a timesink. If you think prep. for buffing is one then your either in the wrong profision or need to buy your Buffpacks instead of make them.
Ke_la
Mon May 10, 2004 12:54 pm
#65
This is what it costs an MID to do your ID seasion 15k Per mission at ten mins. per mission(when and if they do missions) cause while a Combate Class or Doc can succefully complete a 35k mission the most a MID can HOPE to complete is 20k IF there lucky. Ofcourse while there doing mission that is one less IDer IDing so the suply goes down even more with the same demand.
BTW anyone Hurd of Supply and Demand you know the cornerstones of Economies. Everyone is saying how there are so Few IDers out there Low supply, yet now there is going to be an Incress in the Demand for there services. Well when Supply is Low and Demand is High or incressing Prices go UP. That is all there is to it, if you don't like it don't get the survice lowering Demand and guess what maybe the prices will come down.