Image Designer Archive

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TarakAbolai wrote:
Mawie - Firstly, sorry, I didn't mean to call your students stupid, so I take that back (give me an edit button, please! )
And I agree entirely, it is a "laziness" that causes your students to write in that way. But it's very similar to the way in which Shakespeare was lazy - he couldn't even bothered to spell consistantly (apparently throughout his works he spelt words differently within a few lines of each other). However, as you said, that was appropriate because he was only writing for it to be acted, where as you are teaching formal writing and should be looking at the laziness negatively. The laziness bothers me too. I was just offering a slightly tongue-in-cheek alternative view on the matter But your point on ee cummings and Shakespeare having allowances that we don't have is interesting - sure, allowances shouldn't be given to seventh graders being taught to write formally, but in an informal game such as this, should we give allowances in language to see if the person has something worthwhile to say? Personally I find myself quickly disregarding anyone who types that way the moment they start saying anything. Now I may rethink that...if I'd had my old views of "only those writing good English (aside from non-native speakers) have worthwhile things to say" (okay, I wasn't quite THAT bad!) and the next Shakespeare had turned up, would I have ignored his genius due to lazy spelling?

Also, it's worth noting Shakespeare was living in a time when the English language was becoming more standardised. As far as I'm aware, 1604 is when the first dictionary was compiled. However, if you look at Shakespeare's bibliography, some of his most prolific and well known works were first performed after this date, including King Lear, Macbeth, Antony and Cleopatra, The Winter's Tale, The Tempest and Henry VIII (this one debuting about 9 years later, in 1613). Admittedly it would be stupid to assume that the moment this dictionary was released, language was standardised, but it just shows how Shakespeare was writing during a standardisation

Oh, and as for the spelling of his name, in Shakespeare's last will and testament he spelt 'Shakespeare' four different ways in four different places, including Shackspear.

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Something else to keep in mind: at the time, Shakespeare was a pulp writer. It wasn't until much later that his works were given the lofty weight they now hold. As for me, chatspeak annoys the crap out of me, and I tend to think less of anyone who uses it when conversing with me. The way I see it, if your thoughts are valuable you'll make an effort to present them in an apropriate manner. Granted, we all make mistakes (I can't spell worth a damn usually—thank god for spell checkers) but it's the thought that counts…and 'u', 'r', 'ne', et cetera do not, to me, show thought. (And really, we're talking 2 keystrokes here people—I was typing at over 60WPM in 6th grade, and I've only gotten faster since…will those extra 2 characters mean that your thought doesn't get through before the sun goes nova? I don't think so! And if the thought is "I pwn j00" perhaps we'd be better if the sun did go nova first…hm)

They are lazy, and therefore not interesting.
Hey, I take offence at that! I pride myself on being one of the laziest people you could ever meet. I can sit and stare into space for 2 hours at a time, then get up, play guitar for an hour, waste 3 hours playing computer games, sit staring into space, possibly with some music on for 2 hours more....wait, yea, I see where the lazy and uninteresting thing comes from now. Bugger.

But I know where you're coming from, and I agree entirely. I hate the abbreviation, and I pray every night that by the time I am out of college, through university and doing whatever it is I go onto next, I will not be working in a time and place where writing like that is normal. I may kill myself. Or other people. Other people sounds more fun. Prison can't be that bad, it's just a lifetime of sitting staring into space!
I'm a grammar snob too, I constantly pick people up on it...my little brother plays SWG too, and his grammar has picked up hugely since he started, just because he's tired of me ridiculing him into the ground each time he messes up. I'm so mean

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TarakAbolai wrote:

I hate abbreviations like "u" and the lack of grammar and basic grasp of the language some people have today (although obviously in a game like this you have to make some allowances for non-native speakers).

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Not being a native speaker is no excuse whatsoever for the use of u or r or ne or no1 or w8 or similar. In school books across the world, the English second personal pronoun is still shown as you. English is not a very difficult language to write, having one of the most simple grammars of any language around. Also, due to the enormous dominance of English on the Internet and the great popularity of Anglo-American fiction and tv-programs,a lot of people around the world use it on a regular basis too. I would certainly make allowances for non-native speakers (like myself) but that does have its limits.

Thewt

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Arcturean wrote:

Just a minor problem, but I wish that more people wouldbe awarethat all they have to do is put the money in credits offered space rather than doing a bank tip for my services. This way I can better keep track of what I'm getting paid.

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People often say, "I'm going to bank tip you, okay?" before they do it. At least to me.

One day I did the math on a 10k stat migration and I said to the customer who didn't have enough cash on him, "Just try sending it via the interface. Saves the bank getting 500 credits out of you." He did, it worked, and now I advise people to do that anyway.

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Shrew_Tamer wrote:

This doesn't just happen cause i'm IDer but it has happened alot to me in the ID tent..

Are you a girl IRL?

or

a/s/l

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Plagvreugd wrote:

Completely off topic, but still fun: I'm not a native speaker, although I always tried to pay attention in English classes. Not only do people seem to be at a complete loss when it comes to where and were, or affect and effect, I see a lot of people mess up with your and you're, andtheir, there, and they're. And the people whom I see do that are British. Come to think of it, I was walking around Cambridge once on holiday (why?) and I saw an advertisement for a bank, that wrote ensure where they clearly meant insure. I pointed it out to my boyfriend, who wouldn't believe me when I said it was wrong, so we went to a book store and looked it up in a dictionary there. That's €10 for me, thank you.

To see that seventh grade children (I'm not sure at what age people are in seventh grade, I'm just guessing it's roughly the same as with us, which would make them about 13) use u and r and have completely done away with punctuation in essays is very troubling. Language is of course not static, but instead something that changes over time. I would really hate to see I am, u r, he is in school books one hundred years from now. Personally I dislike a lot of things in contemporary (American-) English, like gonna, wanna, dunno although I must confess to using them myself too, and, my personal number one: the excessive, inappropriate use of the phrases so, like and you know, as in So I was like, you know, so not interested, and then she was like... I really hate that.

Incidentally, at times I encounter other Dutch people in the game and sometimesI'll chat a bit in Dutch (most often I'll just stick to English) and I am truly shocked at the huge number of mistakes against Dutch spelling and grammar people are making - and I'm talking about basic, elementary things.

Ok, back on topic - things I hate to have customers say to me.

• LOL - when I tell them how much I charge for ID


• I need an ID now! - when I'm busy milking banthas or something


• I don't have to pay you, because you get xp - I'm a Master, I don't need your stinking xp. And even if I did, you would still have to pay


• Fix my stats - what's wrong with 'hello, can you migrate my stats please?'


• I want my horns, hair, and tattoo to have the same colour - after I had been explaining to him for an hour that it wasn't possible


• I want something completely different. - and then go on to say 'hey, don't touch the tattoo, don't change my hair, don't do this, don't do that'


• Can you show me all hair colours? - I point out that there are over 200 different colours and that shuts em up usually, although one guy replied 'ok, can you show me?'


• No, it was the hair style before this, no, go one back again, go one back again, go one back again - and we end up with the first hair style that I proposed


• Can you make me new clothes - I'm not a tailor!

Thewt

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It's really quite sad that most of the time, non-native english speakers have better control of the language than native speakers. Most people are shocked when I tell them English is not my native language.
Ofcourse, being Dutch and stuck inbetween 3 major language countries, it's hard not to pick up this language, and most people here are actually quite fluent in English.

As for what annoys me most about image design customers, I hate it when they tell me they need "Image design work" done, and when I have them come over to my residence, it turns out they want stat migration.

Or when girls ask me to "make me look HOTT"

Message Edited by Rrowann on 07-10-2004 09:26 AM

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Rrowann wrote:

Hah! Play a Wookiee! No one hits onWookiees. /sniffle

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FuschiaD wrote:

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Rrowann wrote:

Hah! Play a Wookiee! No one hits onWookiees. /sniffle

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Hey baby, how YOU doin'? *wink wink nudge nudge*

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Aww, yeah.

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Zorgnemer wrote:

Ofcourse, being Dutch ...

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Hoi!

Thewt

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Rrowann wrote:

Hah! Play a Wookiee! No one hits onWookiees. /sniffle

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Hey, I've tried, honestly, but it's just that all that hair getsstuck in your throat.

Thewt

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Plagvreugd wrote:

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Rrowann wrote:

Hah! Play a Wookiee! No one hits onWookiees. /sniffle

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Hey, I've tried, honestly, but it's just that all that hair getsstuck in your throat.

Thewt

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