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Thread: The Public Tents are hurting IDers

Nahualli
Fri May 14, 2004 12:44 am
#40




mmaughme wrote:

I made a little over 300K credits yesterday, from 18 customers. I didn't ask for a single price, instead telling people to pay what they felt the changes were worth. The lowest payment I received was 1K from somebody who just wanted his hair color changed. This one aside, all my other payments ranged from 5K to 50K for alterations. On average, I was getting 16K per customer. Even a guildie, who I told I would ID for free, paid me 10K just to change his hair syle and color.


Frankly, letting the customer decide got me more money than I'd have received had I charged. I'd have never charged 50K, but the person who paid 50K felt the work I did was well worth it. This woman who was advertising her services for free was probably still making a small fortune in tips.







The other thing that "free haters" are forgetting is that someone who is offering stuff for free will have a long wait time associated with them. If someone doesn't WANT to wait, hey.. guess what? Time for you to "enterrarles la uña" (dig your nails in - figuratively speaking of course.)


-Nah-





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S-Akuma
Fri May 14, 2004 12:44 am
#41
i Agree, i do alot of stuff for free for people who cant afford, or just tell them tip me what they like. I change one person for about 20minutes - 1 hour and she tipped me an extra 50k for my time . i find if you dont overcharge people will pay you more than what you ask for anyways. most the stuff i do is only 5k for everything 7k if you want all emotes, and they always tip me an extra 3k or so. Dont overcharge and you will get more buisness. Lines get long fast though.


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Mystyrys
Fri May 14, 2004 12:51 am
#42

You know what I think the customers are liking the best out of all this? The ones who tip nicely all the time, and even the ones who came in grumpy and think the social professions are a joke and afraid of the prices and wouldn't pay at all if they didn't have to, but ended up tipping afterwards... Not low prices, not free IDs, not fast stat migration, not the mind boggling amount of new features...


I think the customers are getting the biggest bang out of the fact IDs are At The Keyboard!


ID tent, on the road, in my shop, at the starport... I don't care. I'm having fun with it. I accept tips. And being ATK seems to make a big difference to even the grumpiest combat vet. And I think they didn't think it would, because they are so used to the AFK entertainers. Ha.



Message Edited by Mystyrys on 05-13-2004 02:52 PM



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glory
Fri May 14, 2004 4:20 am
#43
The entire reason for this post was to point out that we need Player City tents for IDers and soon. The city lag, the IDers who bellow "free free" over and over and the lack of tents on planets like Rori make this city only tent idea all wet.

The cities are already so friggin laggy without demanding we go there (and to the worst lag ridden ones) is horrid. Not only that but it fails to bring players to planets like Rori where we need players. Have you ever been to Theed on Lowca? It does me no good to go to Moenia because no one ever goes there and I was all alone in the city. It would be so nice to have a tent in my player city where I could set up appointments and be there when needed. It would also help to keep players in that city and bring them there.

It was rather pointless to try and do ID standing next the "free free" girl. I could not believe that players would stand in line forever to do free. I did not bellow out that I did thing on tips, but that is how I work. They pay me what they think it was worth and what they can afford. BUT I do not bellow it because I do not want to undercut others. Stuck in the lag ridden, spammy city with the "free" bellower was not a pleasant experience and not one I will repeat soon.

Please, Pleeeeaaaaasssseee give us tents, you gave them to merchants, you gave hospitals to doctors and combat medics, you gave cantinas to chefs, musicians and dancers. Our turn.



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Cazaropt
Fri May 14, 2004 4:54 am
#44

Nahualli said:

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It's not bad form. If you just think about it for a moment and stop assuming the worst based on the first night these changes are live.. you might get some perspective. Do you honestly believe this person is going to continue giving away services for free forever? No. The novelty will wear off in a day or two, the tell hell will be far too much to keep up with, and hey guess what maybe the whole point of "selling for free" the first day was to snag future, repeat customers, at which point they will be informed "hey guess what I charge now, the free deal was just a first night promotion"

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Yes it is bad form, and for your information, this person has stated that she, or he (depending on RL gender), ALWAYS does it for free, so , to your statement, you are totally wrong.



Its not fair to other M ID's


Opt

Cazaropt
Fri May 14, 2004 5:02 am
#45
Every person has a RIGHT to complain, its all part of your own freedoms, and being like a Nazi, taking a persons freedom, is TOTALLY WRONG.

Should think more about what you are saying, before you make a statement that will end up hitting you back with something as negatively as taking someones right to complain.


If no one had a right to complain, this whole world would be in a hugh mess, especially in our own country.

Some things that is wrong, usually only gets changed till someone starts speaking up, to say something, to complain about something that is wrong.




Opt


AgreaAtodlie
Fri May 14, 2004 5:03 am
#46




PistolDance wrote:


I have never set a price on ID,I usea tip or free only basis. Somecustomers dont pay, some give you 50k. Hell, ive even said free to someone and they gave me 20k just to change thier hair


The lowest Ive ever gotten was 2k the biggest was 100k. Since ID doesnt take resources I feel there should be no set price, unless you set it on the amount of time you spend with them. But that just ruins the experience...


I have found when you set prices you get WAY WAY WAY less for your services. She has every right to be there doing it for free. She worked just as hard as you did to get Master, not her fault others picked a class that doesnt make any money as their source of income


I mean, its not like you are losing money by someone underpricing you. You lose nothing because it costs you nothing.

Sorry for mispells its late

Message Edited by PistolDance on 05-12-2004 10:25 PM


...nothing? please tell me you didn't actually spend time in thought on that statement...It costs skillpoints...it costs time...and if the customer is indecisive A LOT of time...If you go to your barber...or you go to your hairdresser...do you tell them they should just cut and style your hair for free??...If you feel this way,...everyone should drop image designer together....and then when you want to change your look or stats...grind it yourself on an alt...not to be flaming, which i am...but come on...don't make stupid, thoughtless, disrespectful comments without thinking first. You are right the other id has every right to do everything for free...but she should also be considerate and realize that some play this game solely for image designer...and should not have to get another profession unless they want too.

AgreaAtodlie
Fri May 14, 2004 5:38 am
#47




Ipro wrote:




Ninja007 wrote:

"Since ID doesnt take resources I feel there should be no set price, unless you set it on the amount of time you spend with them. "


DEAD wrong. It takes the ONLY real resource...TIME. Harvester resources that people idiotically think are worth more than ID work are IMAGINARY, see. My TIME, however is real & worth a lot more.





Time is an abstract concept created by mortals to measure their own decay.




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Nahualli
Fri May 14, 2004 10:18 am
#48




AgreaAtodlie wrote...nothing? please tell me you didn't actually spend time in thought on that statement...It costs skillpoints...it costs time...and if the customer is indecisive A LOT of time...If you go to your barber...or you go to your hairdresser...do you tell them they should just cut and style your hair for free??...If you feel this way,...everyone should drop image designer together....and then when you want to change your look or stats...grind it yourself on an alt...not to be flaming, which i am...but come on...don't make stupid, thoughtless, disrespectful comments without thinking first. You are right the other id has every right to do everything for free...but she should also be considerate and realize that some play this game solely for image designer...and should not have to get another profession unless they want too.





Aahhh... yes. The age-old "don't tell me how to play my game" probably the most hypocrtical of all flames. I don't feel like charging for what I do. I don't want to undercut you, I don't want to steal your business I just DON'T FEEL LIKE charging. So now you're saying I should charge out of consideration for all the other pure-MIDs. Who's telling who they need to play a certain way, exactly?


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Syzygy-Gorath
Fri May 14, 2004 10:56 am
#49




Nahualli wrote:




AgreaAtodlie wrote...nothing? please tell me you didn't actually spend time in thought on that statement...It costs skillpoints...it costs time...and if the customer is indecisive A LOT of time...If you go to your barber...or you go to your hairdresser...do you tell them they should just cut and style your hair for free??...If you feel this way,...everyone should drop image designer together....and then when you want to change your look or stats...grind it yourself on an alt...not to be flaming, which i am...but come on...don't make stupid, thoughtless, disrespectful comments without thinking first. You are right the other id has every right to do everything for free...but she should also be considerate and realize that some play this game solely for image designer...and should not have to get another profession unless they want too.





Aahhh... yes. The age-old "don't tell me how to play my game" probably the most hypocrtical of all flames. I don't feel like charging for what I do. I don't want to undercut you, I don't want to steal your business I just DON'T FEEL LIKE charging. So now you're saying I should charge out of consideration for all the other pure-MIDs. Who's telling who they need to play a certain way, exactly?



The post to which you're replying is…perhaps not the best example of its kind. Perhaps I can phrase it in a way that will make a bit more sense. Before I say anything else, let me reiterate that I work solely for tips, and I will not migrate stats, so no high pricing there. With that said, while I do not presume to tell anyone how to play their profession, or enjoy their time in game, I do urge that those who have no need of the credits, for whatever reason, consider those that are pure entertainers. I can afford to let my clients pick a price because I have a straight combat alt that I can go out and grind cash with if I need to. Others have guild support. Still others just don't have many expenses. But, whatever the case may be, there are those that do have expenses, and do not have the luxury of a guild to support them or an alt to grind cash with. For that reason I will never give my services free of charge, except to guild and very close friends. To do so would be to devalue the profession even more than it already is in the eyes of the clients and could likely negatively impact the gameplay of those not in a position to shrug off being stiffed. Again, I'm not by any means telling you that your style of play is wrong, or in any way invalid. All I'm asking is that some consideration be taken for the other IDs in the vecinity who may need credits that you yourself do not—if you're the only ID around, by all means, makeover everyone you see; while it could negatively impact some other ID's business in the future, it does not reflect as badly as if there is another ID present from whom you may be luring needed business. (Kind of a compromise so that you maintain your habitual style of play without negatively impacting the style of play of others…I think)


I guess what I'm trying to say is that we all need to respect eachother's playstyles and try to get along as best we can. Those of us in this for the long haul are few enough as it is that it makes no sense to me to alienate one another.






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Smismar
Fri May 14, 2004 12:02 pm
#50
Stat migration aside this new update blows. Now my character can never become a Jedi because I will not spend the next 6 months trying to get this stupid profession. It looks like it's back to Unreal Tournament 2004 for me.
CrashNemesisII
Fri May 14, 2004 12:08 pm
#51

wats up....i hope sum1 reads this as its a long thread



i really wanna become an I.D... i started the path just before the update but due to unforseen circumstances i could continue this...


---is it still as easy to get M.I.D and xp so quickly ---


any1 stilll gainin xp through their i.d training please answer this



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Ooridee
Fri May 14, 2004 1:21 pm
#52

Just a couple of comments...


I cannot bring myself to charge very much for ID work for a couple of reasons.


1) I do it because I enjoy it, not for a main source of income. I know this is not true for every ID out there, so I completely understand why some ID's choose to charge more than I do. Please don't take this as me saying all other ID's charge too much.


2) It doesn't take a constant drain on resources. Yes, it takes time to get it, skill points to keep it, and time to do each session. But I am not a tailor who has to buy more fiberplast, or a doctor who needs more water. I guess what I am trying to say is, there is no additional upkeep in order to be able to provide your services as an ID beyond the initial investment.


I set my prices as follows, although they may change as I get a better feel for demand and value of the new ID stuff: 500 cr for each ID change the client keeps; 200 cr for each individual holo emote; 2000 crfor a single full set of holo emotes; 5000 cr for a stat migration. Most of the time, my clients tip well above my asking price, and usually after commenting on how reasonable my prices are to begin with.


I used to just work for tips, as I know many people still do, but too often was left unpaid for my time, and in one bad instance accused of being a scammer after a client told me they'd tipped me and I advised them I hadn't recieved the tip (that kills your business QUICK when people start shouting it out to a crowd).


I do agree that for some ID's the tents are bad news. It would be great if they were placable as a building, or if they could make a droid modual for us. If these changes are made, though, I think the tents are a great thing. People will always know where to find an ID, and you will always have a place to find clients!



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