Image Designer Archive

Thread: More input needed: Let's Talk About: Combat and ID

Plagvreugd
Fri Aug 06, 2004 8:04 am
#27






Kwee wrote:

What do you guys think about the idea (which has come up in the past) of ID's buffing battle fatigue? Good thing? Competition with dancers/musicians?





Someone suggested that the buff would work through our ID work. Change eye colour a few times and you get the buff like that, just like a dancer gives a buff through dancing. I don't like that mechanism. People should get their image changed because they want it changed not because it helps them get a lower battle fatigue. Also, apart from the objection on principle, suppose 20 new eye colours give you a decent buff, does that mean that I have to click like a madman to give some guy 20 new eyes? That's enough to give me RSI - I don't like it, really I don't.

Another option would be to give buffs through a timer, like the current stat migration system. The stat migration right now is just plain boring. So we'd just be another step closer to being complete automatons. Click one button, scratch your nose, make coffee, drink coffee, click Commit. Let's not do that.

Or would it work like a Doctor's buffs? Something craftable? I'm no fan of this either.A lot of Image Designers don't have a fighting template, and they would find it difficult to get the resources. It would take us away from the tents and our real jobs. Can you change my skin colour? - No sorry, I'm scouting for resources to make a few new buffs. Also, it would besuch a long wayaway from our real job. With craftable lipsticks, at least it's something that's logically an Image Designer thing. Battle fatigue buffs andImage Design just don't have anything to do with each other. If battle fatigue buffs are necessary - I don't think they are really but then again I hardly ever fight so what do I know - then it would be more fitting to give them to Dancers or Musicians than to us.


Thewt

Mawie
Fri Aug 06, 2004 8:46 am
#28

Ok, about buffing battle fatigue...


Unlike HAM, BF does not have secondary stats.... infact it doesn't have stats at all really. It can just take wounds. When the HAM bars gets buffed, that is to enable the player to regen stats faster, not use stats as quickly, and not get death blowed by creatures and npcs you really cannot take out without em. It is not to prevent wounds.


The thing that brought me to Image Designer the first time around was how non-useful it was. I liked being able to do something that didn't have a real purpose beyond making people happy. The second time, that same reason brought me back... but then after remastering the profession, I quickly learned that stat migrations were the main reason people came to me, and that was one of the things that lead to me dropping the profession again. I have a feeling that if IDs were given yet an other "purpose" such as this, it would cause an even greater rift among the people of this profession, and cause even more of our favorite kinds of customers to crawl out of the woodwork who feel as if IDs have taken something away from them.







Mawie Odaka
Master Dancer
Master Swordswoman
Rebel Colonel
Erann
Fri Aug 06, 2004 9:16 am
#29


After reading the long post.. I'm inclined to agree that a battle fatigue buff is a very good idea. I was against it... but it would appeal to the combat types.... Perhaps THIS could be deployed in a droid and taken on the road with us and the Stats could stay in the tent.... I dunno though after 475 stat migrations I'm fairly sure I can do this with my eyes closes and away from a terminal hehe.


I beleive if we could speed up the covert timer for people chaging overt to covert this might be a nice trick but I don't think it will make us millions. Having the covert to overt ability I think might appeal to a select group.


Is there any thoughs on being able to fool the covert scanner ability with a covert TEF-like timer?


What about thoughts regarding clone dammage? Perhaps we could repair re-clone dammage. It could be a spreate value, a deterioration value that the effects are a X value to battle fattigue. I think this would make us pivital to the plausibility to PVP encounters and the effects of loosing.Soo manyhave a duel fetish and if we could cash in on that dammage or loss fatigue value reset. It'll be like Stats.. Everyone eant'em no one like to have them done.


I'll tell you about my combat story last night.


First off here's what I am:


Master ent.

Master Mus

Master ID

Politician 1 1 1 0


While Doing city things... a few terrorists showed to do some spying so after a long winded rebel vs imperial typing war I finnally let the combat medic/terras kai have his duel. he easily incompasitated me with little effort and he also decided to disease and poison me. Using this as a front to start thier attack soe allies show up to save me from a neighbouring planet city and they chased them out. Noone likes to see thier mayor taken down so this urked some guildies. etc etc etc.. As I had enough of banting I decided to whip out my newly purchased av-21 and headed to the rebel city of redemtion on LOK (Ahazi). Once I entered thier corporate limit I took the same path I always take.. go to thier shuttle / cantina and mok their very being for wanting to be a rebel terror leauge. (I'm very imperial and I try to play imperial being the defacto and rebeal as terrorist)


So I pull my sexy '21 along side the group and begin to take duel request after duel request after insult for a many things ranging from Id, to Female to having the av 21. About 1/3 were p.o.'s I had an av21, 1/3 p.o.'s because I was the arch enemy guild and the rest were just on the bandwagon of mob-ness because if was 20:1. All of them were Overt and looking to be organizing a terror raid somewheres.


Using my supieror brain power I quickly deducted they were going to hit a imperial city on the planet. Dodging 50 duels and trying to talk them into telling me to where they were going I went to dark trench cause I know they have bases... Still being mad at the whole childish behavior of the rebels I Jumped Shuttle and went to DT I then informed the imperials of the state of redemtion and disclosed the 20 overts. Eibo dispathed a couple scouts to check it out.. So I proceeded to leave to head to the shuttle to jump to nys then to theed.


When I got to the shuttle low and behold there they were pilling outta the shuttle like a recently attacked ant hill the rebels poured out and spawned. I quickly mocked them and told them they were too late to attack the imperials as I had already warned them the insulted my profession once more and ran to wards the tri-bases of DT. Running on foot is no match for an av21. I quickly called to arms the imperials and the battle began.


Feeling sorry I couldn't join in the fight due to lack of skills I began to stomp the guys that insulted me with actions while they lay incompasitated (yeah I guess I'm childish too for stomping).. outta frustraition I /deathblow the guy on the ground at my feet because I'm quite upset with him. he's turns into a corpse.. And I'm convert he's overt Suddenly.. I find purpose to my combat abilities I can send these vile terrorists to the clone center meanwhile staying aynonimus or unTEF'd. I assume this is a bug and is not really supposed to happen. but it's my story about combat lastnight being and ID





MeiYuki

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IPC ...for life! (valcyn)
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Syzygy-Gorath
Fri Aug 06, 2004 1:10 pm
#30







Nouva wrote:

Why are you all afraid to point out the obvious? We are entertainers not our own class of specialness. Sheesh and they called me an "elitist..."



Elitist? That's far more polite than anything I've ever said about you. I'd go into detail, but it'd just get turned into **edit**s, so what's the point?


Edit: What, this hasn't gotten reported yet? Come on people, this is obviously a flame. Report me already.

Edit2: Oh, right, Nouva (AKA DarthVisible) got all pissy when I reported her thread before Fuschia had a chance to read it. Better make sure she sees this before it gets reported.

Message Edited by Syzygy-Gorath on 08-06-2004 04:15 PM

Message Edited by Syzygy-Gorath on 08-06-2004 04:22 PM



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TechnoCan
Fri Aug 06, 2004 1:54 pm
#31






Kwee wrote:

What do you guys think about the idea (which has come up in the past) of ID's buffing battle fatigue? Good thing? Competition with dancers/musicians?





Hmm... Actually I think this is simply not our business. Sure, our profession is based on the general entertainer, but we are those part of them that does the makeup and things like that. We are simply not those that entertain.


BUT: when I go to get a new haircut with wasing the hair and all that from a professional hairstylist this IS actually pretty relaxing. So I see a point in thinking this through.


On the other way we have to think about to what this will lead. Lets say we can slowly heal bf while we work on someones Avatar. And lets assume that this would even work outside our prison... er salons. This would mean there would be a way to heal BF in the field which might come in handy sometimes, but isn't really that needed... A high BF is rarely a reason to panic. Well however... it might lead to the situation that those combat folks come to us to just open the interface to lower their bf... that would lead to doing nothing over periods of time again. I think we allready do nothing long enough in our carreer. Especially when we could simply start to dance in a nearby cantina to have the same effect while being able to atleast have a good time while dancing or playing some fancy Star wars 1 tune with the slitherhorn. (We are still atleast novice entertainers, aren't we?)


So all in all I don't see a reason to 'buff' BF in any way since we allready can do that.


May the Force be with you all!


TechnoCan




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TechnoCan
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Mystyrys
Fri Aug 06, 2004 8:30 pm
#32


Eeeks. Despite the tone of discussion getting a wee bit hostile... *goes prone, masks scent and crawls in a circle65 meters away from red blips on radar*


One reason, the main reason I beta-tested for this game was expressly because it was the first game I ever saw that offered totally non-combat related professions too. Social professions. Casual professions. And the ability to mix and match them to suit your styles and fancies at any time.


I chose tailor, merchant, image designer.I also have a couple combat-oriented chars, but that is to support my Scouting services. Not for PvP.


My image designer is the only one that ever contributes to combat, via stat migrations. Side effect-wise. Heh. I choose to do stat migs, but only under duress and pity for the poor warriors begging for my help. I don't make BE clothes. I don't sell weapons or armor or battle pets or droids. I have a dancer I play occasionally. And a Creature Handler. I never PvP. I prefer to role play. And I prefer a certain role as well. Non-combatant. I was not well pleased to find ID suddenly a necessary ingredient of the war games.


I wanted to stay just social. I'd rather not have a new skill set given to IDs if it's another that "forces" us to be needed for combat players.








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ailor &Entertainer
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FuschiaD
Fri Aug 06, 2004 8:54 pm
#33

Where did my post go? There was nothing wrong with it, and I had a genuine question in it that never got answered, so I'm reposting, and please leave it alone.

The hostility in this thread (which, for once, I had NOTHING to do with) has no place in this thread. Let's leave off of it, please. If you have a personal issue with anyone, take it up with them, not in threads like this, where Kwee was asking for our input.

As for the BF buffing idea -I like the idea, but I'm unclear as to how it would work. Would it reduce how quickly we gain BF, or would it make us able to have higher BF before it starts to negatively affect us?

I phrased it better the first time. I'm sure I have other posts that are more worthy of being deleted than the one I posted here... go look some of them up and delete them. >.<




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Mystyrys
Fri Aug 06, 2004 9:03 pm
#34

That is weird Fuschia. I remember your post being right above mine. And it wasnot inflammatory. Is the post eating monster loose again? Seems to be a lot of posts getting eaten tonight.



AFK is not OK
Clicky - AFKers are disruptive to my Gameplay - Clicky
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Qitu &Tabu
T
ailor &Entertainer
**************************************************
*May your future endeavors prove to be
interesting and rewarding experiences that
fulfill your dreams and enrich your life.*

FuschiaD
Fri Aug 06, 2004 9:14 pm
#35






Mystyrys wrote:

That is weird Fuschia. I remember your post being right above mine. And it wasnot inflammatory. Is the post eating monster loose again? Seems to be a lot of posts getting eaten tonight.







/shrug


I know I've written a lot of stuff that was inappropriate, but that wasn't.





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Finduilas
Sat Aug 07, 2004 4:01 am
#36



Plagvreugd wrote:


Mawie wrote:
The thing that brought me to Image Designer the first time around was how non-useful it was. I liked being able to do something that didn't have a real purpose beyond making people happy. The second time, that same reason brought me back...

That's my story!

Thewt






Mine as well.

Mittandra / Evelina
Rrowann
Sat Aug 07, 2004 4:45 am
#37






Kwee wrote:

What do you guys think about the idea (which has come up in the past) of ID's buffing battle fatigue? Good thing? Competition with dancers/musicians?





When I made Master Musician, I whipped out the naglaron or whatever it's called to fiddle with it, being unaware of how desperate people were for buffs. It was a very long time before I crawled out of that cantina. If ID's thought people rushing to them for stat migration was bad, imagine a row of people needing your attention for 5-10 minutes for a buff of some kind in addition.


Also I worry that that sort of thing would step on Dancer/Musician toes. I don't know what the plans are for them in the Combat Balance and how it'll be once the recursive macros are gone, but as things are now Dancers and Musicians are hurting and need time to recover. When I was entertaining in a cantina, I loved seeing a TKM come in because even though he would've meditated away all his wounds, he'd probably have 400 BF. If we prevented people from getting Battle Fatigue, that's one less way for Dancers and Musicians to get XP. If they only had one healing tree to deal with that's almost one thing, but they have two, and that's a lot of healing.




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Maisland
Sat Aug 07, 2004 5:46 am
#38






Rrowann wrote:





Kwee wrote:

What do you guys think about the idea (which has come up in the past) of ID's buffing battle fatigue? Good thing? Competition with dancers/musicians?





When I made Master Musician, I whipped out the naglaron or whatever it's called to fiddle with it, being unaware of how desperate people were for buffs. It was a very long time before I crawled out of that cantina. If ID's thought people rushing to them for stat migration was bad, imagine a row of people needing your attention for 5-10 minutes for a buff of some kind in addition.


Also I worry that that sort of thing would step on Dancer/Musician toes. I don't know what the plans are for them in the Combat Balance and how it'll be once the recursive macros are gone, but as things are now Dancers and Musicians are hurting and need time to recover. When I was entertaining in a cantina, I loved seeing a TKM come in because even though he would've meditated away all his wounds, he'd probably have 400 BF. If we prevented people from getting Battle Fatigue, that's one less way for Dancers and Musicians to get XP. If they only had one healing tree to deal with that's almost one thing, but they have two, and that's a lot of healing.




True. I say we leave BF to the dancers and musicians. Among my 14 characters on 7 servers I have 1 Master Musician and 5 Master Dancers (including one who is also 4/3/4/4 Musician) and I know how hard it is to get that entertainment healing xp (most of my Dancers maxed their Dance xp long before they got the last of the eh xp they needed). I would feel that it is xp theft for IDs to have anything to do with BF. The up and coming Musicians and Dancers need all of the eh xp that they can get... let's not steal any from them.



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I can not survive the NGE


theshuuji
Sat Aug 07, 2004 11:17 am
#39






Maisland wrote:

The up and coming Musicians and Dancers need all of the eh xp that they can get





I'll go along with that argument when I see more live entertainers. As long as most of the entertainers I see level while afk, I don't see the need to make extra effort to speed them along.


edit: And to keep this from being a complete threadjack


I actually, don't care much for the idea of ID's being involved in combat. The part of ID I like is changing people's images. When that means I'd have to be involved in the civil war, or people would only come to me for some quick migration and a BF buff......meh.

Message Edited by theshuuji on 08-07-2004 11:20 AM



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