Image Designer Archive
Thread: I've heard a terrible rumor...
Homper
Wed Jul 21, 2004 8:56 am
#14
Hi all,
once upon a time, I was one of the only MIDs on the Eclipse server. I decided to give upID right around the time that the updates came out. I felt it was not enough content for the amount of time I waited. since then, I persured other professions and have found happiness there. However, I always kept my eye on these boards, and often talk to IDs when I see them, and ask them how the profession is going and how they are enjoying things. They report that is going ok, but of course always wish for more content. The same thing I always wished for.
I even offer myself as a test-dummy from time to time for up and coming IDs. Anyways, Iguess what I'm trying to say is that the profession is still in my heart and I try to keep up to date on all things ID.
I even offer myself as a test-dummy from time to time for up and coming IDs. Anyways, Iguess what I'm trying to say is that the profession is still in my heart and I try to keep up to date on all things ID.After reading this thread, I did have some concerns and contacted a friend of mine that is in fact a CSR. He did his best not to divulge a lot of information, as they plainly are not allowed to do so. Its in their employment contract from what I understand.
Anyways, from what he did tell me, I was able to glean that the consideration for removing the ID profession has come into consideration, to make way for a different type of profession of which I could gain any kind of information.
The reason ID was being considered was due to the fact that it has had a lot of problems, and creating more content for it would take much time, much effort but most of all, A LOT of money.
Please don't ask me about any grandfather rules or anything of that nature because quite honestly my friend would not tell me much more than what he did. In fact he plainly stated that he could get in trouble for what he did share with me.
I guess it all comes down to money. Whether or not they'll actually drop the profession... i don't know. As some have stated on this thread... its doubtful, or never.
It just kind of bothered me to have heard that, so I wanted to share what I knew with all of you. l think it stinks that it comes down to a money issue for a profession that so many people enjoy, and appeals to an audience that otherwise doesn't have an interest in going around and killing little monsters 
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lol Bottom line is.... it stinks that developers were considering such a thing. I hope its won't happen and my personal opinion is that it won't, but still, to consider it because of money reasons? blah... that sucks. oh well.
FuschiaD
Wed Jul 21, 2004 10:32 am
#15
I find it rather difficult to believe that a CSR would know anything about anything like that, as that would be a developer/game producer decision, and not anything having to do with the CSR's who help us in-game.
Kwee has already stated that this profession is NOT being removed. I choose to believe her, as I am sure everyone else will too.
Darkesong
Wed Jul 21, 2004 1:20 pm
#16
Beery wrote:
"We have at least got some attention, unlike several other languishing professions. (which I think is yet another conduit for the animosity ID's seem to attract from some leet players)"
IDs are reviled by the leets for the same reasonthat dancers and musicianshave always been reviled - now thatwe IDsare the only purveyors of stat migrations we are the only outlet for a service that the leets need desperately, and they can't get that service for free anymore. That's why they hate us. It has nothing to do with the perception that IDs got the developers'attention.
I did not say it was the only reason we have attracted negative attention.....only that it could have contributed to our current perception within the eyes of the "leets". I did not feel it necessary to vent yet again on the stat migration trials which we all face when putting up our tags. We all know that most of the player base does not approve of stat migrations being solely in our hands. I remember reading several posts on other boards that went along the lines of "why are the devs wasting their time on this crud when*insert random*combat profession is still broken." when the ID revamp went live.
That was all I meant
Beery
Wed Jul 21, 2004 5:59 pm
#17
I wasn't annoyed at you. I was just pointing out what I think is the major issue.
Beery
Thu Jul 22, 2004 12:40 am
#18
"The reason ID was being considered was due to the fact that it has had a lot of problems, and creating more content for it would take much time, much effort but most of all, A LOT of money."
Yeah, right! The ID profession has a lot of problems and they're gonna dump the entire profession because of it. The fact that it works perfectly well right now is just an accident I suppose.
Pull the other one. It's got bells on.
Darkesong
Thu Jul 22, 2004 12:44 am
#19
Well if nothing else players have grown used to being able to alter their avatar's appearance....I don't think many of them would enjoy that being taken away. Plus Technocan is right....there is no point in revamping a profession just to remove it a couple of months later. I understand that new graphics and art are some of the most expensive of additions that can be added to the game...and that SOE is certainly going to assign a higher priority to the combat professions than to us....but I see them losing more than they would gain by removing ID's. We might not see anything new for us for a long while...but to be honest, we wouldn't anyway. We have at least got some attention, unlike several other languishing professions. (which I think is yet another conduit for the animosity ID's seem to attract from some leet players )
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Beery
Thu Jul 22, 2004 12:53 am
#20
"We have at least got some attention, unlike several other languishing professions. (which I think is yet another conduit for the animosity ID's seem to attract from some leet players)"
IDs are reviled by the leets for the same reasonthat dancers and musicianshave always been reviled - now thatwe IDsare the only purveyors of stat migrations we are the only outlet for a service that the leets need desperately, and they can't get that service for free anymore. That's why they hate us. It has nothing to do with the perception that IDs got the developers'attention.
TechnoCan
Thu Jul 22, 2004 3:15 am
#21
Who hates us? The devs? Actually they are really proud about the ID and all the entertainer professions since they are one thing that make this game unique. the fact that they don't have the time to do more for us does not mean they don't like us. It only means they are busy with other work that is more important to them, like the Jedi Revamp (that is affecting everyone in game) and the JTLS which will add a complete new dimension to this game. The combat and GCW revamp is important, too and during this we might get some new abilities, too. Kwee is allready collecting ideas to present to the devs about this. So, no, the devs don't hate our profession.
So it's 'the players' that hate us? Well, I cannot second that either. Sure, there are players that are not that happy that they now have to come to us to migrate their stats, but the very most I have talked to had to agree that the new system got it's advantages, too. Like only having to wait 10 minutes instead of 3 days. Since mini publish 8.1 much more players now let us change their appearance instead of sticking to the one they put together during their character creation. And many start to love to match their avatars appearance to the profession they are playing or to their guildmates or something like that.
So I can conclude that noone is really hating us. The devs just don't have the time to give us more attention. Sure, there might be some players that think that IDs are not 'necessary', but this kind of players mostly seem to want to slay some powerfull things (or each other) and simply have no love for roleplaying or socializing at all. Since this is a roleplaying game we are playing, it's actually them that got the wrong idea in my opinion.
I love to be an ID and even if I might drop it some day to do something new I will allways remember my time as ID.
May the Force be with you all!
TechnoCan
Beery
Thu Jul 22, 2004 4:07 am
#22
"Who hates us? The devs?"
I don't think anyone here said the developers hated us. You're mixing us up with musicians and dancers, hehe.
"So it's 'the players' that hate us?"
No one said that either. It's not the players. We're players. How could we hate ourselves? It's the 'leets' who hate us. Actually it's early days yet for the leets' hatred to reach its peak. Dancers and musicians have been subject to the leets' hatred for a year. IDs are still in the honeymoon stage. You have no idea how bad it can get. The only mitigating factor is that Jedi (the leets' favourite profession) is now getting a lot of hatred too. The leets are getting a taste of their own medicine. It might help them to grow up and realise that there are other people in this game too, but I doubt it.
Arconis_Runicblade
Thu Jul 22, 2004 9:56 am
#23
They would never do that because ID still is an important part of the game =)
I found that while I'm grinding ID it is fun(though the grind is really obscene now) but it is really fun to do! I do give real props to Full Time Master ID's to! You guys really rock!
Anyway... to my initial point... ID has a major function in the game that they are the people who can make a character look better then the initial options allow. And who doesn't want their character to look as good as it can right? =)
MerchantCatt
Thu Jul 22, 2004 6:17 pm
#24
Curious who told you this. Some people hate IDs because of the patch we got awhile back, they hold it against us because they can't stat mig themselves. It wouldn't surprise me, with the one starring we're getting, if some loser just said it to be a jerk.
Jessalyn_Bohicat wrote:
that imagine designer is going to be removed from the game?
granted, i just heard it from a random person in game...and i was extremely freaked out. but then somene else came and said the same thing! eek!
as the very proud player of not 1 but 2 image designer character, i find this very distrubing! lol
someone reassure me, and hold me!!
-Kit'ana, Master Tailor, Master Image Designer, Ahazi
-Liahdin, Master Dancer, Master ID, Gorath
TechnoCan
Fri Jul 23, 2004 5:52 am
#25
Beery wrote:
"Who hates us? The devs?"
I don't think anyone here said the developers hated us. You're mixing us up with musicians and dancers, hehe.
"So it's 'the players' that hate us?"
No one said that either. It's not the players. We're players. How could we hate ourselves? It's the 'leets' who hate us. Actually it's early days yet for the leets' hatred to reach its peak. Dancers and musicians have been subject to the leets' hatred for a year. IDs are still in the honeymoon stage. You have no idea how bad it can get. The only mitigating factor is that Jedi (the leets' favourite profession) is now getting a lot of hatred too. The leets are getting a taste of their own medicine. It might help them to grow up and realise that there are other people in this game too, but I doubt it.
Hmm... I hope I get you right that with 'leets' you mean powergamers and the like? In that case I can still not agree that they actually 'hate' us. It's with many things between humans: They fear what they don't understand. Such folks cannot understand why someone could not want to play how they do and the entertainer-professions all hold abosuletly no power for them. Even worse: They are 'forced' to visit us (entertainers as a whole) to heal their BF and now even to fit into this new armor they are buying. I think that is what gnaws on their bones. And then when they have to consult with us another problem arises, that of comunication. Most powergames have never learned how to be polite. Many of them think this might be interpreted as weakness so they only know rudeness and see this as a sign of strength... So they don't hate us, they simply are helpless and don't know another way.
Do I like or tolerate this? Hell no! I have my regular 'run ins' with powergamers, too.
And I have to agree that their current behavior as Jedi lets them taste their own medcine since they loose alot of respect by the other players with it and respect seems to be, what they carve to get the most. By loosing that respect due to their own actions they hopefully might learn a lesson or two.
May the Force be with you all!
TechnoCan
PS: No, I don't think that every Jedi is a powergamer and automatically a rude and impolite player, but far too many are.
PPS: Yes, I know there are even some nice folks in ther anks of the powergamers
Syzygy-Gorath
Fri Jul 23, 2004 6:01 am
#26
Leet and powergamer are not one in the same. Leets are a specific cultural subset of powergamers, far more given to griefing, ganking, and other antisocial behaviorsthan other powergamers. The term powergamer simply implies a vast quantity of time playing—I am, technically, a powergamer. I am not, however, a leet.
TechnoCan wrote:
Hmm... I hope I get you right that with 'leets' you mean powergamers and the like?
[snip]
PPS: Yes, I know there are even some nice folks in ther anks of the powergamers