Game Guides Archive
Thread: Friday Feature Bonus: Understanding Skill Modifiers, Attachments and Enhancements
SaberSWG
Tue Mar 02, 2004 7:58 am
#105
With thw new chef foods some foods may grant bonus to a mod that already has +25 from SEAs.
Will chef foods still give a bonus in this case? Will consumed buffs stack with mods from wearable items?
Numen
Tue Mar 02, 2004 9:10 am
#106
OnlyOneShot wrote:
This thread really shows why it's a bad thing to have powergamers that play the game and troll the forums all day.
Thunderheart took the time to assemble a small guide regarding skill tapes. Please remember that Thunderheart was never a developer of the game. Also, please remember that the Thunderheart does not have access to the developers 24/7 for every little question about the game he might have.
So, he posts this guide to try and help people out who may not have any idea what a skill tape is, or may have looted a couple and have no idea what to do with it.
Then you jackasses have to come in and try to justify your meaningless avatars ...
"How do I cram 2 +5 weapon experimentation tapes into a robe that my guild gave to me? I also added a +5 uber nerd tape, and because of alphabetical order, the weaponsmith tapes aren't sticking! Waah! Waah!"
Thunderheart may not understand the little glitches here and there concerning tapes combining and whatnot, so please respect that not everyone in SWG plays this game as religiously as you do. He already told you, he is going to get the answers to these questions as soon as he can schedule time with the appropriate dev. So, just sit back, and shut up.
One of the issues with skill tapes is that most +1's are almost useless because you can't put2 +1s together and get a +2 in 1 piece of clothing.
While a +5 and a +5 is accurate, it probably isn't what most people can do. A +1 and a +1 is and that is still the same bug.
Or someone getting a duel mod tape. 2 +1s on it. The powergamers are the ones that know theses don't work correctly. The newbie is the one that reads this guide and then wonders why it doesn't work correctly. They are the ones that just got screwed over by this game because the guide basically said it was fixed.
The biggest problem is that this is a bug that has been around since day one. I would assume it has been bugged many times. But then the devs still produce a guide basically ignoreing those bugs.
This is obviously a communications issue that the devs don't even seem to know this bug exists or only a very few of them know about it. I know I bugged that a few times many months ago. Should I have to bug it every single day? I can't imagine they look at bugs that were reported 3+ months ago, but what happens with bugs that don't get fixed. It shouldn't be up to the gamers to continuously bug things day after day for months on end. Once might not be enough, 3-4 I could handle. That should be all that is needed though and it doesn't look like it is working.
Khayden
Tue Mar 02, 2004 9:17 am
#107
Thunderheart wrote:
MoridinTheSick wrote:so that is telling me that when you use an SEA you get the bonuses of all of the attributes it has? The community has been under the impression that only one counts (like if you have a tape that has + to accuracy and + to speed only the higher one will take effect) Can you please clear this up?Yep. I'm going through the questions and follow up now
I'll gather up the questions, but it may take me some investigation work to get to the bottom of some of it (which is my goal here). I'm hoping the thread can become more positive so I can work with the team on specific issues.
Specific questions and descriptions would be helpful.
TH, it's difficult to be positive when these issues have existed since the game launched. I lost 3 million credits on a skill tape because I didn't realize that if you try to install a skill tape into a piece of clothing that has an identical skill mod already attached to it that only the highest skill mod shows up.
We might not be so bitter if CSR's were permitted to reimburse us for these kind of bugs, but instead we are told there is nothing that can be done, and you've just watched a lot of time and effort go down the drain for nothing.
When this Feature was published with so many glaring errors it basically says to all of us that the DEV's aren't reading our /bug reports or there is a major breakdown in communication here that is seriously effecting the quality of the game.
I understand that the Dev team has many issues they must work through at any given time, but I also believe that even if these type of bugs can't be fixed quickly then the best short-term solution would be to publish a "Known Bug" list that players can refer to in order to avoid some of the more common bugs. Instead, you post the exact opposite of a known bug list and encourage players to use SEA's in ways that will actually cause the player to waste or lose the tape.
I don't blame you TH, but there is a major breakdown in communication between yourself and the Dev team that needs to be addressed, as these incidents seem to be happening more frequently.
Krayvex
Tue Mar 02, 2004 9:22 am
#108
Cafa wrote:
I like to jab TH as much as the next guy, but some of you people seriously have no class whatsoever.
How about trying to be minorly polite in your criticisms.
Come'on. Posting an explaination about something youknow this little aboutis like Dan Quayle giving spelling lessons.
Mangoman
Tue Mar 02, 2004 9:54 am
#109
maybe this is already in this thread, but I dont want to read through it all so here's my question... Why the heck can't you put 4 +1 skill tapes of the same skill in a shirt and get +4? That makes all of the little +1 or +2 tapes and attachments out there practically useless. Is it supposed to be like this or is there a bug where it will not stack if its all in the same piece of clothing or armor?
YoursTruly
Tue Mar 02, 2004 10:31 am
#110
Thunderheart wrote:
LuthianP wrote:
I realise it is off topic, but when are the Top 10 Questions going to be finished????????
They are not on a schedule.
Once we get through some of the other key things, Ill post em, but there is no rush on those.
((Were the Top 5 on a schedule? The Dancers haven't gotten their responses to those yet, much less the Top 10, even after multiple promises. Apologies for the off topic post, but even our Correspondent can't get a response on this.))
drezbizkit
Tue Mar 02, 2004 10:35 am
#111
I just wanted to chime in with my 2 cents...
I don't know who wrote the Friday Feature, but there are plenty of errors in the "guide". I could say, it's a "guide" on how to waste your SEAs.
Anyway, definitly a communication problem there, and I don't know if this has been said, but to avoid this sort of embarresment in the future, after writing such a Guide, maybe testing the guide would be appropriate, or confirming with the appropriate head developer to make sure that this is right (hopefully the developer in charge of SEAs didn't write the guide)
I don't know, I'm sure their are plenty of other issues, but to publish a public guide on such a topic, which is so false, should be something of a total embarresment, and utter failure on the entire SOE team. It's a sad day, when a public document is written by the developers, and the community has to correct them, on their obvious failure.
CarverOrmazd
Tue Mar 02, 2004 11:39 am
#112
TH
Please don't let this issue die. It is the unstackability and general unusability of SEA's that is currently destroying the multi-galaxial economy, much as holocrons were doing before Christmas. Please just get the devs to fix the system so that it works as the Friday Feature says it should (ASAP). And more importantly, keep us up to date on the documentation regarding HOW these important items function.
Salporin_Wookie
Tue Mar 02, 2004 12:11 pm
#113
can you explain about negative number skill mods? I have a skill tape -1 polearm evasion. Does this...
a... make MY polearm evasion worse by one, making it a stupid and useless item to add to my clothes?
or
b...make my OPPONENT'S polearm evasion worse by 1, making it great for me to use... if I used a polearm?
Stormkraken
Tue Mar 02, 2004 1:29 pm
#114
OnlyOneShot wrote:
Thunderheart may not understand the little glitches here and there concerning tapes combining and whatnot, so please respect that not everyone in SWG plays this game as religiously as you do. He already told you, he is going to get the answers to these questions as soon as he can schedule time with the appropriate dev. So, just sit back, and shut up.
I don't know about you, but I tend to purchase products from staffs who know and understand every little glitch here and there concerning the products they are selling.
Having a obvious lack of understanding on the product you are selling/supporting/advertising screams "poor work ethics" to me.
Of course TH isn't the only one at fault here. It takes several people to create a screw-up this big.
Thunderheart
Tue Mar 02, 2004 3:03 pm
#115
CarverOrmazd wrote:
TH
Please don't let this issue die. It is the unstackability and general unusability of SEA's that is currently destroying the multi-galaxial economy, much as holocrons were doing before Christmas. Please just get the devs to fix the system so that it works as the Friday Feature says it should (ASAP). And more importantly, keep us up to date on the documentation regarding HOW these important items function.
I understand and agree. Its going to take a bit, but Im giving it a lot of attention. That means talking to programmers, developers and a slew of people to get to the bottom of things. The good news is that we have a dev tool that is almost finished and we'll be able to spawn the tapes and other skill enhances. This will make it easy for me to do some tests with the correspondents.
garvin
Tue Mar 02, 2004 3:08 pm
#116
The good news is that we have a dev tool that is almost finished and we'll be able to spawn the tapes and other skill enhances. This will make it easy for me to do some tests with the correspondents.
You already have the tool created and in play...it's the last loot pile in the borgle cave...lol...it's spawns tapes a plenty...
Lexy
Tue Mar 02, 2004 3:12 pm
#117
garvin wrote:The good news is that we have a dev tool that is almost finished and we'll be able to spawn the tapes and other skill enhances. This will make it easy for me to do some tests with the correspondents.You already have the tool created and in play...it's the last loot pile in the borgle cave...lol...it's spawns tapes a plenty...
LOL! Milk... through the nose... can't stop laughing...
I can just picture TH at the bottom of the cave every 30 mins...
*click*click*click*click* "Darn, how'd that guy get the tape before me!"
Message Edited by Lexy on 03-02-2004 04:16 PM