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QuantumArtist wrote:

Sorry, if you get rid of the /macro command, you are asking to get rid of recursive macros altogether. 5 minute long macros only encourage the use of 3rd party macro programs which will simply rerun the macro for them automatically.

Trust me. The options I've listed are the only way.

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LazyJones wrote:

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QuantumArtist wrote:

Sorry, if you get rid of the /macro command, you are asking to get rid of recursive macros altogether. 5 minute long macros only encourage the use of 3rd party macro programs which will simply rerun the macro for them automatically.

Trust me. The options I've listed are the only way.

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SOE could start scanning peoples machines for 3rd party programs the way Blizzard now does for WoW...

No AFK playing using the games mechanics, and no way to do it using 3rd party software...

- Happy days are here again!

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Sorry? Are you for or against recursive macros? You keep fliping sides.

I'm dead set againstanythingthreateningin game recursive macros. Alter them... yes. Remove them? No.

Sorry, 5 minute long macros just wont do either.

We're all smart people, there are other alternatives that could, and SHOULD be tried before your proposed solution. Your solution IS the romoval of recurring macros. Dont try to say otherwise.

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QuantumArtist wrote:

I contend there is nothing wrong with AFK entertainers. I can see that taking recursive macros from the entertainer profession will make entertainers rare indeed and potentially even kill the profession. As they say, be careful what you wish for... you may get it.

However, if you guys insist on pushing the issue, a good way to do this while allowing the rest of us to keep our recursive macroing abilitiesis to create a check for any entertainer trying to run amacro. Every time an entertainer certified player runs a macro, a program checks it,looking for a /macro command with a /flourish command. If the macro contains both /flourish and /macro commands, or references a /macro containing /flourishes, it will dump the chain.

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you know how you get rid of people using 3rd party software? when you see them grinding afk, you report them. one or two will get banned, and the others will soon catchon that it will not be tollerated, and it will dissapear.

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Troilus_of_Bria wrote:
you know how you get rid of people using 3rd party software? when you see them grinding afk, you report them. one or two will get banned, and the others will soon catchon that it will not be tollerated, and it will dissapear.

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and how do you prove they're afk?

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QuantumArtist wrote:

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LazyJones wrote:

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QuantumArtist wrote:

Sorry, if you get rid of the /macro command, you are asking to get rid of recursive macros altogether. 5 minute long macros only encourage the use of 3rd party macro programs which will simply rerun the macro for them automatically.

Trust me. The options I've listed are the only way.

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SOE could start scanning peoples machines for 3rd party programs the way Blizzard now does for WoW...

No AFK playing using the games mechanics, and no way to do it using 3rd party software...

- Happy days are here again!

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Sorry? Are you for or against recursive macros? You keep fliping sides.

I'm dead set againstanythingthreateningin game recursive macros. Alter them... yes. Remove them? No.

Sorry, 5 minute long macros just wont do either.

We're all smart people, there are other alternatives that could, and SHOULD be tried before your proposed solution. Your solution IS the romoval of recurring macros. Dont try to say otherwise.

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I never did. - I am against AFK-playing, and since looping macros are used for this, I am against looping macros.
Never said anything different. You can check if you need to.

And 5 minute macros will "do it". (see what I just did there? Like you, I made a completely empty statement. Next time, try adding some arguments...)

If you think having to click once every 5 minutes is too much effort, you're just exceptionally lazy.

Now, the statement made by Gator on the factories? Silly Gator, silly. Factories are the only acceptable way to do anything in this game without doing it yourself. They are not an immersion-breaking game-mechanic like macros, they actually exist in the universe, and I'd like to see you handcraftthe 170 structural modules and 27 other components, sub-& sub-sub components for 1 lousy generic planet guild hall; the 29+ components, sub-, sub-sub, and sub-sub-sub-components for a simple entertainer droid, not to mention armor and weaponry, of which there'd be nothing... (Never mess with the crafters, you are nothing without them!)

It all comes down to this: Either you play the game, or you do something else.
If you are playing, you will have no problem creating a macro that gives a little system message on the screen when it's about to finish after 5 minutes time, so you can start it again.

• No AFK-entertaining and/or -spamming in the cantinas.


• No spamming that you are selling this or that, when you aren't even there to answer questions.


• No advancing a profession unless you are actively learning the ins and outs of it.


• No looting stuff that your character killed without your help, when other people are actively trying in vain to get it.

"You may not use or distribute macros or other programs which would allow unattended game play..."

From The TERMS OF USE FOR STAR WARS GALAXIES™: AN EMPIRE DIVIDED™

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LazyJones wrote:

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QuantumArtist wrote:

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LazyJones wrote:

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QuantumArtist wrote:

Sorry, if you get rid of the /macro command, you are asking to get rid of recursive macros altogether. 5 minute long macros only encourage the use of 3rd party macro programs which will simply rerun the macro for them automatically.

Trust me. The options I've listed are the only way.

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SOE could start scanning peoples machines for 3rd party programs the way Blizzard now does for WoW...

No AFK playing using the games mechanics, and no way to do it using 3rd party software...

- Happy days are here again!

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Sorry? Are you for or against recursive macros? You keep fliping sides.

I'm dead set againstanythingthreateningin game recursive macros. Alter them... yes. Remove them? No.

Sorry, 5 minute long macros just wont do either.

We're all smart people, there are other alternatives that could, and SHOULD be tried before your proposed solution. Your solution IS the romoval of recurring macros. Dont try to say otherwise.

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I never did. - I am against AFK-playing, and since looping macros are used for this, I am against looping macros.
Never said anything different. You can check if you need to.

And 5 minute macros will "do it". (see what I just did there? Like you, I made a completely empty statement. Next time, try adding some arguments...)

If you think having to click once every 5 minutes is too much effort, you're just exceptionally lazy.

Now, the statement made by Gator on the factories? Silly Gator, silly. Factories are the only acceptable way to do anything in this game without doing it yourself. They are not an immersion-breaking game-mechanic like macros, they actually exist in the universe, and I'd like to see you handcraftthe 170 structural modules and 27 other components, sub-& sub-sub components for 1 lousy generic planet guild hall; the 29+ components, sub-, sub-sub, and sub-sub-sub-components for a simple entertainer droid, not to mention armor and weaponry, of which there'd be nothing... (Never mess with the crafters, you are nothing without them!)

It all comes down to this: Either you play the game, or you do something else.
If you are playing, you will have no problem creating a macro that gives a little system message on the screen when it's about to finish after 5 minutes time, so you can start it again.

• No AFK-entertaining and/or -spamming in the cantinas.


• No spamming that you are selling this or that, when you aren't even there to answer questions.


• No advancing a profession unless you are actively learning the ins and outs of it.


• No looting stuff that your character killed without your help, when other people are actively trying in vain to get it.

"You may not use or distribute macros or other programs which would allow unattended game play..."

From The TERMS OF USE FOR STAR WARS GALAXIES™: AN EMPIRE DIVIDED™

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So you're more or less saying that if you cant shave the chin, chop off the head?

Sorry, My arguments are plenty sound, and my solutions far less extreme then simply removing the macro system entirely. Put a little thought into a different solution before you go off demanding the removal of an aspect of the game that is a real bennefit to the vast majority of players.

Believe me when I say I know the ramifications of demanding extreme reform in SWG.

You, my friend, are morosely nieve to the realities of the exploiting underworld. Not that I would have you learn. Its a good thing you dont know. However, if you dont understand what I say here, you aregoing to have to take it on faith that there is a better solution.

People will macro no matter what. SOEcant detect them, they dont have the inclination to,or there wouldnt be an issue with it.

All you can do is makeafk macro userjobs harder. 5 minutes is not the issue. People WILL find a work around. Trust me, I know the genius type people who think up these exploits. Unfortunately, youre way outmatched. I dont mean that as an insult, but as a wake up call! Your solution of wiping the macro system completely not only inconveniences most of the player base, it only forcesexploiters to 3rd party more, not less. Trust me on this,exploiters are very determined and intelligent individuals. Theywill find a way. The programs they tend to usewill cause a great deal more lag and lag related issues then we already have!

My solution makes 3rd party combat and lootmacrosthat much more of achore to create.The nice parthowever, is that everyone else canAFK macro butmerely without the /loot function.

Without the /loot function, 3rd party macros will suddenly have to be rewritten to perform the desired function. These macros would be significantly more complex and rare. In so being, they becomethat much easier to detect.

The options I've mentioned above certainly have merit. They should be considered/tried before your extreme proposal to wipe a system that isconvenient, simpleand enjoyed by FAR more people then those the dislike it.

If you dont like my options, you might TRY and think of other alternative solutions.

Complete removal of the macro systeminconveniences everyone except a VERY select few that likely have no concept how much it would even inconvenience them as well.

what....a......loser......

this whole argument started because one player was annoyed by people standing and talking, if you read the rules it says there is nothing wrong with afk macroing, why make it so u have to click every 5 minites that is stupid, keep the macro loops. the people who choose to always afk macro, let them be its their desision to spend all their time away from the computer and this isn't a free game, think of it this way you pay for a game to have fun, someone else pays for a game to lvl up and macro's they aren't having fun till the higher lvl's so you want to force them to have fun by taking away macro looping, clicking every five minutes can be pretty repeditive, the first macro i made back when i was a noob didn't repeat and i had to keep clicking it got really annoying and i was up all night, i don't think that is the way togo, why not make peace with our macro brothers instead of trying to make them like yourself, let the diversity be diverse and let the macroers and non macroers live in peace and if not fight them in the game not the forums. lol forum Zen

what im trying to say is its their choise not to have any fun or social interaction, just ignore them, and if they brag they are the best on the server just say u saw them combat macroing at an npc spawn

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Dray31 wrote:
what....a......loser......

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This is not cool, regardless who you intended it for.