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Thread: Innocent SWG Players do this as instructed by a CSR
smeesh
Thu Aug 19, 2004 11:52 am
#27
I am willing to bet for every player that was banned unfairly, there are 10 more that are cleared, and arent penalized in any way.
Of course, if you are penalized go through every possible customer service option to try and fix the situation (being understanding and respectful of CS of course).
If that still doesnt solve the problem contacting theBetter Business Bureau is always an option
Yasha
Thu Aug 19, 2004 11:57 am
#28
TashunkaSapa wrote:
Mup- wrote:
had a few friends who are very well known smiths who got banned due to someone buying there storage vendors out.
While I object to the way they ban innocent recipients of funds, I have to say in this case it serves them right. Some people abuse vendors - they are meant for sales, not for storage! If you list something for 999999999 credits on a vendor you are making an offer to sell it (whether you like it or not) and because only a duper would have that kind of money, you are consciously choosing to sell it to any duper who accepts the offer of sale. Such people are giving the Devs very good justification for a ban, if you ask me.
It's not an invitation, 4 days ago nobody knew any more dupes existed, we were just starting to recover from the months in the beginning of livethat had multiple duping methods, most thought they actually had a clue by this point and patched all that crap. Yes, they are ment for sales not storage, but when it takes4 houses to store JUST the resources for your crafting profession because they refuse to lift that stupid 250 item limit on lots alot of crafters are left with only a few options in my view. Hardly justification for a ban, what if I offer a crystal for 10mil? A +25 experimentation for 150 mil? I just don't see any justification for banning at all unless proof of the ACTUAL duping is seen. However as witnessed in the past, clear thinking and fairness overall when dealing with costumer service in this game is a Wheel of Fortune wheel spin at best for your results.
Message Edited by Yasha on 08-19-2004 03:03 PM
SmedleyLlama
Thu Aug 19, 2004 3:03 pm
#29
station1 wrote:
Question: How do you know what someone else really did to get banned?
I keep hearing "such and such got banned, and he's so respectable and important". lol
Or "bunches of people on (some server) got banned for no reason!!!"
You don't know what someone else who is 100s or 1000s of miles away is doing on their account. You don't know whether they are guilty or not, now do you? All you know is what they say, and (maybe) a screenshot that they post. Every time we have somegood old fashioned "bannings" around here, the people crawl out of the woodwork to proclaim everyone else's innocence and protest SOE's unfairness.
Apparently no one deserves to be banned, ever.
Message Edited by station1 on 08-19-2004 04:15 PM
I don't know anyone that has been banned. I trust that it has happened given the statement from SOE and the number of reports though.
Because of this I've emptied my vendors and put sales on hold until things cool off a bit. Perhaps if SOE would be a bit more forthcoming about this whole thing, there would be a lot less of these posts you find objectionable.
Bazizten
Thu Aug 19, 2004 3:17 pm
#30
Well they did it nicely too.
I was banned with my other account.Lukcy me I got 2 as they even banned me from this forum with that char
All I can say is sell nothing in this game.Close all your vendors.as for the tipping.I hope no one tips you as you WILL BE BANNED.
Last but not least.As I did sen mail to support asking for the proff tha tI did some kind of duping the response was .......
....... yes it never arrive any mail.So I guess this is a way for them to get more cash.They did just charge CC for 3 new months and a few days later banend the account.And I never duped anything either so will be fun to see their proof
My char is Swelly on WanderHome
I guess R.I.P for his part as we innocent can kiss our chars goodbye
Dracass
Thu Aug 19, 2004 3:46 pm
#31
Guilty 'til proven innocent...
Ye figure that the SOE/LA Staff would have learned from the innocent bannin's of smugglers.
Great Public Relations. Keep it commin'.
And all this time I thought SWG was hurtin' with a decline of subcribers, guess I was wrong.
[First the delays of Combat, GCW, Smugglers; then merchant scare; and now the galatic credit panic, the hits keep on commin']
Mellissandria
Thu Aug 19, 2004 3:56 pm
#32
I just hope that they get it straightened out shortly.
I'm a musician on Shadowfire, and I do get nice tidy amounts from time to time, up to 50,000 credits from people happy to get buffed. I hope to see this fixed soon, and until it is, I don't dare do anything outside a Cantina Crawl . Guess I will have to keep hunting pharples til then.
Vrond
Thu Aug 19, 2004 4:14 pm
#33
Not all of this is done for stoargae I put items on my vendor with instructions on how to place special orders as the name of the item and price it like that. I took them all off and I am not takeing special orders now.
TashunkaSapa wrote:
Mup- wrote:
had a few friends who are very well known smiths who got banned due to someone buying there storage vendors out.
While I object to the way they ban innocent recipients of funds, I have to say in this case it serves them right. Some people abuse vendors - they are meant for sales, not for storage! If you list something for 999999999 credits on a vendor you are making an offer to sell it (whether you like it or not) and because only a duper would have that kind of money, you are consciously choosing to sell it to any duper who accepts the offer of sale. Such people are giving the Devs very good justification for a ban, if you ask me.
SOE is making a big mistake banning every innocent who receives duped funds. In the real world, one must meet two criteria to be prosecuted for a crime: Culpability and Intent. One must knowingly and willingly engage in an activiy that they know to be a crime. The innocent people who are banned here do not meet these criteria - they have no way of knowing these funds are duped, and the act of making a sale or receiving a tip is not, in and of itself, any sort of offense.
If SOE is going to come down hard, they have a responsibility to eliminate these dupers and their duped funds before they reach innocent unknowing customers.
DylanFowles
Thu Aug 19, 2004 4:42 pm
#34
"We take this extremely seriously, and will go to great lengths to protect your play experience. "
-From the Credit Dupe Alert found on the Station Menu.
Ironic, ain't it?
--|---------------------]Unsatisfied
TashunkaSapa
Thu Aug 19, 2004 5:02 pm
#35
Yasha wrote:
It's not an invitation. Yes, they are ment for sales not storage,
Precisely! When you list something on a vendor, no matter what the price, no matter if you are only intending to store - you are still offering it for sale. If someone buys it, you have no recourse. If you offer it at a price that only a duper could possibly pay, only a duper will possibly buy it. Again, since vendors are meant for sales and not for storage, it can easily be argued that the individual is placing such items there to be sold to dupers. By placing it at that price, the merchant consents to accept that amount of money in exchange for the item.
MichailArris wrote:
I got one question for ya. How isa crafter and namely Weaponsmith is supposed to store all their parts needed for making weapons?
So please tell me how i'm supposed to store all of this if i'm not supposed to use a vendor.
You honestly expect me or anyone else to believe that you're supposed to use a vendor for storage? Think about that agin until it sinks in - vendors are for selling things, not storing your personal inventory.
There are plenty of places to store things:
Your personal inventory and backpack, input hoppers on your crafting stations, input hoppers on your factories, your safety deposit box at the bank, houses on any remaining lots you have, friends who lease lots to you for storage...
As for what to do with your finished goods? There's the output hoppers on your factories, and then there's the vendor for items you are ready to sell. If you're making that many more finished goods than you are able to sell, maybe you are making too many or pricing too high.
My point is simple - don't put anything on your vendor that you aren't prepared to sell. And don't set a price that only a duper could pay unless you're prepared for the consequences of selling to a duper.
Shaan'ti Hokai (Kauri) 
Jabourn
Thu Aug 19, 2004 6:06 pm
#36
CreatureHypnotizer wrote:
LOL, im betting younthat SOE-collector is a scam.
The poster could have made a char named that and gotten all the creds.
A form of SWG bankrobbery.
Abe
Uggg! Finally!... I'm reading along, wondering when someone is going to say the obvious here. Thank you Abe.
AEK
Thu Aug 19, 2004 6:18 pm
#37
If SOE can detect who is getting duped credits, they obviously must know where they orginated from. Seems obvious that the originator is the person who should be banned HARD! Anybody else in my opinion would fall under the legal category of ENTRAPMENT.
Funny they have all this database analysis power, being used as it should in this case, but they won't use the same techniques to make a more immersive SWG artificial intelligence based upon a players experiences.
Funny they have all this database analysis power, being used as it should in this case, but they won't use the same techniques to make a more immersive SWG artificial intelligence based upon a players experiences.
AEK
Thu Aug 19, 2004 6:21 pm
#38
In the real world, one must meet two criteria to be prosecuted for a crime: Culpability and Intent. One must knowingly and willingly engage in an activiy that they know to be a crime. The innocent people who are banned here do not meet these criteria - they have no way of knowing these funds are duped, and the act of making a sale or receiving a tip is not, in and of itself, any sort of offense.If SOE is going to come down hard, they have a responsibility to eliminate these dupers and their duped funds before they reach innocent unknowing customers.
Oh yeah just saw this post while reviewing, similar legal argument but Tashunka's is more correct.
They need to add the laywer profession to SWG. Would be kinda fun to sue other players and garnish their mission payouts and stuff
Message Edited by AEK on 08-19-2004 06:22 PM
Annicca
Thu Aug 19, 2004 6:22 pm
#39
Hell, I if I get banned for recieving dub credits instead of MAKING them...well, I'll just spend my real money on another better managed and devolped game.
Thanks SOE for making your game such fun to play...lol