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EEMAN wrote:
Thunderheart it is clear by this and many other threads just how deep this jedi vs non-jedi animosity runs. The jedi OFTEN refer to non jedi as 'laymen', 'laypersons', 'mundanes', 'interactive NPC' and so on and so forth. They somehow have arrived at this sense of self entitlement that is evident in EVERYTHING they do and post. Everyhing should be given to them because they spent 6 months grinding. Wow, I have been playing this game since early beta. I have ground professions when some of these new players were still potty training. Every day I spend on average 30-60 minutes just filling out bug reports. I have been accepted to every Beta test and during those phases commited 3-4 hours a day finding and reporting bugs comming up with every way to break something I can think of. That kind of 'work' clearly is much much MUCH greater than the kind of 'work' some jedi spends playing a game and yet I have no special 'I win' button that makes these jedi fall over dead when they come within 30m of me. I dont fill the forums with page after page requesting you elevate everything specific to me and all the while bring down everyone around me.

This arguement of work involved shouldnt get even a minuscule bit of consideration. The hard grind is there to make them rare, not make them elite. It could take 2 years and they be no more powerful than a regular player and the long grind is STILL justified becaues it exists for the sole purpose of making jedi rare. Now previously I explained that better ways exist to make jedi rare, but currently this is the only one and you keep reducing this 'penalty' which makes jedi less and less rare. First there was a hard grind, an unknown way to become jedi, and permadeath. Then it was a known way to grind, permadeath and a long grind. Then its a known system and a long grind but 3 deaths within 2 weeks for permadeath to take affect. Then its a known long grind and you lose a skill box every time you die. Then its an XP loss on death and a known grind. Then its revamped so they get their own nondefendable damage type by the majority of us 'mundane' not to mention the entire PVE arena, a quest and a long grind with XP loss. Then we get a CU which brings them from 8x more powerful than any other profession in the game to just 1.5x more powerful (if you cant do the math dont bother replying). Then they removed XP loss on PVE death. Then they removed XP loss on PVP death that isnt from a bounty hunter.

They fear NOTHING and flaunt their robes and their sabers everywhere. They force meditate and channel force in cantinas. They pvp in front of starports. Now they are actively campaigning to systematically get every SINGLE special nerfed that has a chance of taking them down because 'afterall I'm a Jedi and mundanes shouldnt be able to kill me because they are just stupid mundanes'. I even had a Jedi on Chilastra named -Ultra send a email to a guildie once about how he owned the geo cave and it was his right to prevent anyone else from grinding there because SOE has elevated him to the status of GOD and GOD has decree'd that noone else is allowed in there. They pick and they pick and they chisel and they weasel every SINGLE change one at a time. They will never be happy until you finally change it to a ingame form that one submits requesting jedi and upon aproval (which is mandated all forms are automatically approved) they get to type /firstspec on their next login and just choose the boxes in jedi they would like to have. Mark my words, next they will start demanding the XP requirements of each box be lowered if they havent already.

Nearly all of the rest of us 'peons/laypeople/mundanes' are so sick of the jedi and their Holier than Thou attitude, you can almost feel the hate dripping off the walls. If you run astromech stats on the respec I bet will find an overwhelming amout of players that took up BH just because they are so sick of Jedi. They give nothing to the community, they have been made entirely self sufficent. They need no clothing. They need no weapons. They need no armor. They usually dont even need docs to heal their wounds. I and many others in my guild and on servers across all galaxy want to know one simple thing, we have one meager request:

Can you PLEASE create a galaxy cluster for us and make it a NO JEDI galaxy?!

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EEMAN wrote:
Thunderheart it is clear by this and many other threads just how deep this jedi vs non-jedi animosity runs. The jedi OFTEN refer to non jedi as 'laymen', 'laypersons', 'mundanes', 'interactive NPC' and so on and so forth. They somehow have arrived at this sense of self entitlement that is evident in EVERYTHING they do and post. Everyhing should be given to them because they spent 6 months grinding. Wow, I have been playing this game since early beta. I have ground professions when some of these new players were still potty training. Every day I spend on average 30-60 minutes just filling out bug reports. I have been accepted to every Beta test and during those phases commited 3-4 hours a day finding and reporting bugs comming up with every way to break something I can think of. That kind of 'work' clearly is much much MUCH greater than the kind of 'work' some jedi spends playing a game and yet I have no special 'I win' button that makes these jedi fall over dead when they come within 30m of me. I dont fill the forums with page after page requesting you elevate everything specific to me and all the while bring down everyone around me.

This arguement of work involved shouldnt get even a minuscule bit of consideration. The hard grind is there to make them rare, not make them elite. It could take 2 years and they be no more powerful than a regular player and the long grind is STILL justified becaues it exists for the sole purpose of making jedi rare. Now previously I explained that better ways exist to make jedi rare, but currently this is the only one and you keep reducing this 'penalty' which makes jedi less and less rare. First there was a hard grind, an unknown way to become jedi, and permadeath. Then it was a known way to grind, permadeath and a long grind. Then its a known system and a long grind but 3 deaths within 2 weeks for permadeath to take affect. Then its a known long grind and you lose a skill box every time you die. Then its an XP loss on death and a known grind. Then its revamped so they get their own nondefendable damage type by the majority of us 'mundane' not to mention the entire PVE arena, a quest and a long grind with XP loss. Then we get a CU which brings them from 8x more powerful than any other profession in the game to just 1.5x more powerful (if you cant do the math dont bother replying). Then they removed XP loss on PVE death. Then they removed XP loss on PVP death that isnt from a bounty hunter.

They fear NOTHING and flaunt their robes and their sabers everywhere. They force meditate and channel force in cantinas. They pvp in front of starports. Now they are actively campaigning to systematically get every SINGLE special nerfed that has a chance of taking them down because 'afterall I'm a Jedi and mundanes shouldnt be able to kill me because they are just stupid mundanes'. I even had a Jedi on Chilastra named -Ultra send a email to a guildie once about how he owned the geo cave and it was his right to prevent anyone else from grinding there because SOE has elevated him to the status of GOD and GOD has decree'd that noone else is allowed in there. They pick and they pick and they chisel and they weasel every SINGLE change one at a time. They will never be happy until you finally change it to a ingame form that one submits requesting jedi and upon aproval (which is mandated all forms are automatically approved) they get to type /firstspec on their next login and just choose the boxes in jedi they would like to have. Mark my words, next they will start demanding the XP requirements of each box be lowered if they havent already.

Nearly all of the rest of us 'peons/laypeople/mundanes' are so sick of the jedi and their Holier than Thou attitude, you can almost feel the hate dripping off the walls. If you run astromech stats on the respec I bet will find an overwhelming amout of players that took up BH just because they are so sick of Jedi. They give nothing to the community, they have been made entirely self sufficent. They need no clothing. They need no weapons. They need no armor. They usually dont even need docs to heal their wounds. I and many others in my guild and on servers across all galaxy want to know one simple thing, we have one meager request:

Can you PLEASE create a galaxy cluster for us and make it a NO JEDI galaxy?!

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Message Edited by Capt_Baobab on 05-26-2005 04:34 PM

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EEMAN wrote:
Thunderheart it is clear by this and many other threads just how deep this jedi vs non-jedi animosity runs. The jedi OFTEN refer to non jedi as 'laymen', 'laypersons', 'mundanes', 'interactive NPC' and so on and so forth. They somehow have arrived at this sense of self entitlement that is evident in EVERYTHING they do and post. Everyhing should be given to them because they spent 6 months grinding. Wow, I have been playing this game since early beta. I have ground professions when some of these new players were still potty training. Every day I spend on average 30-60 minutes just filling out bug reports. I have been accepted to every Beta test and during those phases commited 3-4 hours a day finding and reporting bugs comming up with every way to break something I can think of. That kind of 'work' clearly is much much MUCH greater than the kind of 'work' some jedi spends playing a game and yet I have no special 'I win' button that makes these jedi fall over dead when they come within 30m of me. I dont fill the forums with page after page requesting you elevate everything specific to me and all the while bring down everyone around me.

This arguement of work involved shouldnt get even a minuscule bit of consideration. The hard grind is there to make them rare, not make them elite. It could take 2 years and they be no more powerful than a regular player and the long grind is STILL justified becaues it exists for the sole purpose of making jedi rare. Now previously I explained that better ways exist to make jedi rare, but currently this is the only one and you keep reducing this 'penalty' which makes jedi less and less rare. First there was a hard grind, an unknown way to become jedi, and permadeath. Then it was a known way to grind, permadeath and a long grind. Then its a known system and a long grind but 3 deaths within 2 weeks for permadeath to take affect. Then its a known long grind and you lose a skill box every time you die. Then its an XP loss on death and a known grind. Then its revamped so they get their own nondefendable damage type by the majority of us 'mundane' not to mention the entire PVE arena, a quest and a long grind with XP loss. Then we get a CU which brings them from 8x more powerful than any other profession in the game to just 1.5x more powerful (if you cant do the math dont bother replying). Then they removed XP loss on PVE death. Then they removed XP loss on PVP death that isnt from a bounty hunter.

They fear NOTHING and flaunt their robes and their sabers everywhere. They force meditate and channel force in cantinas. They pvp in front of starports. Now they are actively campaigning to systematically get every SINGLE special nerfed that has a chance of taking them down because 'afterall I'm a Jedi and mundanes shouldnt be able to kill me because they are just stupid mundanes'. I even had a Jedi on Chilastra named -Ultra send a email to a guildie once about how he owned the geo cave and it was his right to prevent anyone else from grinding there because SOE has elevated him to the status of GOD and GOD has decree'd that noone else is allowed in there. They pick and they pick and they chisel and they weasel every SINGLE change one at a time. They will never be happy until you finally change it to a ingame form that one submits requesting jedi and upon aproval (which is mandated all forms are automatically approved) they get to type /firstspec on their next login and just choose the boxes in jedi they would like to have. Mark my words, next they will start demanding the XP requirements of each box be lowered if they havent already.

Nearly all of the rest of us 'peons/laypeople/mundanes' are so sick of the jedi and their Holier than Thou attitude, you can almost feel the hate dripping off the walls. If you run astromech stats on the respec I bet will find an overwhelming amout of players that took up BH just because they are so sick of Jedi. They give nothing to the community, they have been made entirely self sufficent. They need no clothing. They need no weapons. They need no armor. They usually dont even need docs to heal their wounds. I and many others in my guild and on servers across all galaxy want to know one simple thing, we have one meager request:

Can you PLEASE create a galaxy cluster for us and make it a NO JEDI galaxy?!

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EEMAN wrote:
Thunderheart it is clear by this and many other threads just how deep this jedi vs non-jedi animosity runs. The jedi OFTEN refer to non jedi as 'laymen', 'laypersons', 'mundanes', 'interactive NPC' and so on and so forth. They somehow have arrived at this sense of self entitlement that is evident in EVERYTHING they do and post. Everyhing should be given to them because they spent 6 months grinding. Wow, I have been playing this game since early beta. I have ground professions when some of these new players were still potty training. Every day I spend on average 30-60 minutes just filling out bug reports. I have been accepted to every Beta test and during those phases commited 3-4 hours a day finding and reporting bugs comming up with every way to break something I can think of. That kind of 'work' clearly is much much MUCH greater than the kind of 'work' some jedi spends playing a game and yet I have no special 'I win' button that makes these jedi fall over dead when they come within 30m of me. I dont fill the forums with page after page requesting you elevate everything specific to me and all the while bring down everyone around me.

This arguement of work involved shouldnt get even a minuscule bit of consideration. The hard grind is there to make them rare, not make them elite. It could take 2 years and they be no more powerful than a regular player and the long grind is STILL justified becaues it exists for the sole purpose of making jedi rare. Now previously I explained that better ways exist to make jedi rare, but currently this is the only one and you keep reducing this 'penalty' which makes jedi less and less rare. First there was a hard grind, an unknown way to become jedi, and permadeath. Then it was a known way to grind, permadeath and a long grind. Then its a known system and a long grind but 3 deaths within 2 weeks for permadeath to take affect. Then its a known long grind and you lose a skill box every time you die. Then its an XP loss on death and a known grind. Then its revamped so they get their own nondefendable damage type by the majority of us 'mundane' not to mention the entire PVE arena, a quest and a long grind with XP loss. Then we get a CU which brings them from 8x more powerful than any other profession in the game to just 1.5x more powerful (if you cant do the math dont bother replying). Then they removed XP loss on PVE death. Then they removed XP loss on PVP death that isnt from a bounty hunter.

They fear NOTHING and flaunt their robes and their sabers everywhere. They force meditate and channel force in cantinas. They pvp in front of starports. Now they are actively campaigning to systematically get every SINGLE special nerfed that has a chance of taking them down because 'afterall I'm a Jedi and mundanes shouldnt be able to kill me because they are just stupid mundanes'. I even had a Jedi on Chilastra named -Ultra send a email to a guildie once about how he owned the geo cave and it was his right to prevent anyone else from grinding there because SOE has elevated him to the status of GOD and GOD has decree'd that noone else is allowed in there. They pick and they pick and they chisel and they weasel every SINGLE change one at a time. They will never be happy until you finally change it to a ingame form that one submits requesting jedi and upon aproval (which is mandated all forms are automatically approved) they get to type /firstspec on their next login and just choose the boxes in jedi they would like to have. Mark my words, next they will start demanding the XP requirements of each box be lowered if they havent already.

Nearly all of the rest of us 'peons/laypeople/mundanes' are so sick of the jedi and their Holier than Thou attitude, you can almost feel the hate dripping off the walls. If you run astromech stats on the respec I bet will find an overwhelming amout of players that took up BH just because they are so sick of Jedi. They give nothing to the community, they have been made entirely self sufficent. They need no clothing. They need no weapons. They need no armor. They usually dont even need docs to heal their wounds. I and many others in my guild and on servers across all galaxy want to know one simple thing, we have one meager request:

Can you PLEASE create a galaxy cluster for us and make it a NO JEDI galaxy?!

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Tucheck wrote:
First off, I don't think a Jedi free server will ever become available for whatever the reasons. However, I DO think the Devs would be quite surprised by the amount of people who would willingly give up all possesions in order to "move". Convert everyting I own into credits and send me on my way. Would that NOT say something about this entire community. I was a MBH before there were Jedi, I'd be a MBH if there were no Jedi.

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Tucheck wrote:
First off, I don't think a Jedi free server will ever become available for whatever the reasons. However, I DO think the Devs would be quite surprised by the amount of people who would willingly give up all possesions in order to "move". Convert everyting I own into credits and send me on my way. Would that NOT say something about this entire community. I was a MBH before there were Jedi, I'd be a MBH if there were no Jedi.

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this is something that more than 1 person has wanted a long time..

a server thats focus is the GCW instead of jedi..

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Thunderheart wrote:

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Qui-Gonzalez wrote:

TH, the way I see it is you are pondering nerfing a useful skill because of it's use and abuse in one aspect of the game...Jedi v Bounty Hunter.

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No, not at all. The only thing that needs to be done is to make sure the timer on the target is working correctly. Roots in PvE are a great tool, a necessary tool, and roots in PvPshould be working correctly (and fairly).

The BH/Jedi situation is something altogether different. It really is a tough situation to be chased by three Bounty Hunters with this and similar abilities and will need a different kind of solution that is fair and fun for both parties.

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TH... the answer is so plainly simple, I can't see the necessity to draw it out for so long. CU has been live for a month, now. That's a long time for something like this to go on, when the solution is so simple:

Abilities/Skills with similar effects should all have a timer on the TARGET (completely separarate from the "re-use" timer of the attacker). Within a set period of time, certain abilities/skills should only work ONCE. Do you remember the old system, where you could only KD your opponent once every 30 seconds? That was a great idea. Just put it into the game now, and everyone's happy. No need to nerf a good skill. PvE should not be affected. But for PvP, the person who is being rooted should have a period of time AFTER the root where he/she is IMMUNE to further ROOT. SNARE would be a separate timer, but it would work the same way.

And this is NOT how it currently is in the game. Right now, the timer is based ONLY on the attacker. Example: As a Master Pistoleer, Master Smuggler, you get quite an arsenal of "crowd control" abilities. These can be CHAIN FIRED on a single target, and they even stack! So if you time them all right, you can seriously keep someone PERMENANTLY rooted.

As much as I enjoy using this ability myself... it poses a major issue for ALL melee characters (including melee Jedi, which is most of us). We can potentially become rooted and shot at without being able to defend at all. Hence, the need for change.Rapid change.

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EEMAN wrote:
Thunderheart it is clear by this and many other threads just how deep this jedi vs non-jedi animosity runs. The jedi OFTEN refer to non jedi as 'laymen', 'laypersons', 'mundanes', 'interactive NPC' and so on and so forth. They somehow have arrived at this sense of self entitlement that is evident in EVERYTHING they do and post. Everyhing should be given to them because they spent 6 months grinding. Wow, I have been playing this game since early beta. I have ground professions when some of these new players were still potty training. Every day I spend on average 30-60 minutes just filling out bug reports. I have been accepted to every Beta test and during those phases commited 3-4 hours a day finding and reporting bugs comming up with every way to break something I can think of. That kind of 'work' clearly is much much MUCH greater than the kind of 'work' some jedi spends playing a game and yet I have no special 'I win' button that makes these jedi fall over dead when they come within 30m of me. I dont fill the forums with page after page requesting you elevate everything specific to me and all the while bring down everyone around me.

This arguement of work involved shouldnt get even a minuscule bit of consideration. The hard grind is there to make them rare, not make them elite. It could take 2 years and they be no more powerful than a regular player and the long grind is STILL justified becaues it exists for the sole purpose of making jedi rare. Now previously I explained that better ways exist to make jedi rare, but currently this is the only one and you keep reducing this 'penalty' which makes jedi less and less rare. First there was a hard grind, an unknown way to become jedi, and permadeath. Then it was a known way to grind, permadeath and a long grind. Then its a known system and a long grind but 3 deaths within 2 weeks for permadeath to take affect. Then its a known long grind and you lose a skill box every time you die. Then its an XP loss on death and a known grind. Then its revamped so they get their own nondefendable damage type by the majority of us 'mundane' not to mention the entire PVE arena, a quest and a long grind with XP loss. Then we get a CU which brings them from 8x more powerful than any other profession in the game to just 1.5x more powerful (if you cant do the math dont bother replying). Then they removed XP loss on PVE death. Then they removed XP loss on PVP death that isnt from a bounty hunter.

They fear NOTHING and flaunt their robes and their sabers everywhere. They force meditate and channel force in cantinas. They pvp in front of starports. Now they are actively campaigning to systematically get every SINGLE special nerfed that has a chance of taking them down because 'afterall I'm a Jedi and mundanes shouldnt be able to kill me because they are just stupid mundanes'. I even had a Jedi on Chilastra named -Ultra send a email to a guildie once about how he owned the geo cave and it was his right to prevent anyone else from grinding there because SOE has elevated him to the status of GOD and GOD has decree'd that noone else is allowed in there. They pick and they pick and they chisel and they weasel every SINGLE change one at a time. They will never be happy until you finally change it to a ingame form that one submits requesting jedi and upon aproval (which is mandated all forms are automatically approved) they get to type /firstspec on their next login and just choose the boxes in jedi they would like to have. Mark my words, next they will start demanding the XP requirements of each box be lowered if they havent already.

Nearly all of the rest of us 'peons/laypeople/mundanes' are so sick of the jedi and their Holier than Thou attitude, you can almost feel the hate dripping off the walls. If you run astromech stats on the respec I bet will find an overwhelming amout of players that took up BH just because they are so sick of Jedi. They give nothing to the community, they have been made entirely self sufficent. They need no clothing. They need no weapons. They need no armor. They usually dont even need docs to heal their wounds. I and many others in my guild and on servers across all galaxy want to know one simple thing, we have one meager request:

Can you PLEASE create a galaxy cluster for us and make it a NO JEDI galaxy?!

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