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Thread: Friday Feature January 21st – Combat Upgrade New Faction Armor

silversaber
Sat Jan 22, 2005 10:47 am
#287







Thunderheart wrote:






FragRock-Creatures wrote:



Q: Will the New Faction Armor be the 1st step in the Galatic Civil War Revamp?



Q: When can we expect the revamp(s) to go into affect?



A: No.


A: Unknown at this time, but when it happens, I'll let you know





Runobot wrote:

Can Wookiees wear this factoional armor? We want to have fun too.



I don't know, but I will find out next week.







KardenTyrell wrote:





GlanocRunningstrider wrote:
I have to agree, your armor designer has a serious thing for the flaired out helmet look like in RIS. No need to bring it into the rebel armor as well. Interesting armor is one thing, but lets keep it Star Wars and not some anime fan's sick armor dream -- diverisfy!!!!



Actually, as pointed out by someone else (and I never saw the link to the idea untill someone pointed out!), the battle armor for rebels, helmet...looks allot like the clam helmet worn by the rebel troopers from ANH.




So, I've been working with the team to try and get that Rebel Helmet into the game. My last discussions about it left off with it going into the loot revamp as a drop- - I'll check on that again early next week too.







NectroFirerunner wrote:


I think all the armor is great and the whole "its too hightech" for rebels, take a closer look, alot of the parts look cloth like with bits of metal shoved onto cover major points.


I hope they keep them and bring them in if they do change rebels hope they keep these designs for quests or neutral armour later be awesome to wear and use





Good observations - that is the approach the art team had when putting the Rebel armor together - - that it should look low tech.







Furon wrote:

One question... Will storm trooper armor still be earned the same way or will the millions of credits worth of suits I've bought and earned be worthless after the revamp?



Faction armor will be crafted by armorsmiths. Faction armor schematics will be purchased with faction points. Existing suits of armor will be converted to the new system. At first glance, I'd say you shouldn't be effected too much. If anything, the suits will be more in demand given their usability in combat will be improved.











As usual TH, you only pick and choose the posts that agree with you andyour armor and never answer ar even consider the posts of the players that think that armor is NOT apropriate for Rebels.


Its like talking to a brick wall.


You sure have changed since the Pre-Beta Forums. And not for the better iether.


Message Edited by silversaber on 01-22-2005 10:18 AM

silversaber
Sat Jan 22, 2005 10:51 am
#288






ravisher wrote:





Thunderheart wrote:

There is actually no precedent for Rebel Armor in the Canon and very very little in the EU. We did quite a bit of research and none of the EU rebel armor was anywhere near as cool as the Imperial armor so we worked with LucasArts to get the new armor approved.


This new Rebel Armor is canon now






i think one of the things that you guys really missed the point of everything that any rebel ever wore in the movies, is that you could see thier faces. the only people on the imperial side that you saw were the officers. everyone else, all the storm troopers, looked exactly like the last one you killed. i think it just made it so that when you saw a rebel die, you saw a person dieing. Not just a body in a plastic shell.





Exactly

Message Edited by silversaber on 01-22-2005 10:16 AM

NolaraTie
Sat Jan 22, 2005 10:57 am
#289

AWSOME STUFF!!!! hopefully the protections will be as good as the looks



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shadakanagro
Sat Jan 22, 2005 11:00 am
#290

great job devs. thanks for the update, the rebel battle armor rocks!!




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Stakex007
Sat Jan 22, 2005 11:01 am
#291






ravisher wrote:





Thunderheart wrote:

There is actually no precedent for Rebel Armor in the Canon and very very little in the EU. We did quite a bit of research and none of the EU rebel armor was anywhere near as cool as the Imperial armor so we worked with LucasArts to get the new armor approved.


This new Rebel Armor is canon now






i think one of the things that you guys really missed the point of everything that any rebel ever wore in the movies, is that you could see thier faces. the only people on the imperial side that you saw were the officers. everyone else, all the storm troopers, looked exactly like the last one you killed. i think it just made it so that when you saw a rebel die, you saw a person dieing. Not just a body in a plastic shell.





Yea but the Rebels never wore armor... so its not really something that can be compared in MHO. I mean if the rebels did ever wear armor, you better believe they would want to have as much covered as possible. Sure, for a story world point of view open faces would show a diffrence between Rebels and Imps... however in reality.... thats not how it works.
WolfWipeout
Sat Jan 22, 2005 11:17 am
#292






Thunderheart wrote:






Runobot wrote:

Can Wookiees wear this factoional armor? We want to have fun too.



I don't know, but I will find out next week.







Hey Thunderheart..good job on the armor. Can ithorians wear the rebel armor also? Thanks.



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silversaber
Sat Jan 22, 2005 11:25 am
#293






Stakex007 wrote:





ravisher wrote:





Thunderheart wrote:

There is actually no precedent for Rebel Armor in the Canon and very very little in the EU. We did quite a bit of research and none of the EU rebel armor was anywhere near as cool as the Imperial armor so we worked with LucasArts to get the new armor approved.


This new Rebel Armor is canon now






i think one of the things that you guys really missed the point of everything that any rebel ever wore in the movies, is that you could see thier faces. the only people on the imperial side that you saw were the officers. everyone else, all the storm troopers, looked exactly like the last one you killed. i think it just made it so that when you saw a rebel die, you saw a person dieing. Not just a body in a plastic shell.





Yea but the Rebels never wore armor... so its not really something that can be compared in MHO. I mean if the rebels did ever wear armor, you better believe they would want to have as much covered as possible. Sure, for a story world point of view open faces would show a diffrence between Rebels and Imps... however in reality.... thats not how it works.





Then they need to style whatever armor more closely to the past uniforms!!


And no, were not talking reality, we are talking Starwars!!!!!


For which these new armorsdo NOT look a part of for Rebels.




Message Edited by silversaber on 01-22-2005 10:28 AM

omadnay
Sat Jan 22, 2005 12:30 pm
#294


Thunderheart wrote:

So, I've been working with the team to try and get that Rebel Helmet into the game. My last discussions about it left off with it going into the loot revamp as a drop - - I'll check on that again early next week too.







Hey TH, thanks for coming around on a Saturday!

Could you find the answer to "Why the Rebel Helmet (ROTJ Endor Helmet) was removed as a reward, and no longer attainable?" Please?

About the Rebel Trooper Helemets, if loot drop means it's the fastest way to get them in... hehe, then any way is good, but I'd like to see them implemented the right way (awarded through Faction and having armor stats).

I am a traditional movie kind of fan, no doubt we've discussed this before, but I know things have to be added... no question there.
I was just very hopeful that the new Rebel Faction armor would bring more of the movie look to the game as there are some authentic movie helmets that could be used.

I was actually hoping that the Rebel Trooper and the Imperial Trooper helmets would make it in with these new faction armors.
The Imperial Trooper Helmets/Outfit are perfect for the player character in this game that is not going to role-play a Storm Trooper, but wants to be representative of the Empire. The Shock Trooper Armor is good for this as well


Unfortunately it seems to me that people have decided these items look too goofy.
I just think that is ridiculous.
I don't care who thinks they look goofy... it IS what was worn.

The rebel helmets from the movies must be implemented and have comparable stats to the best.
No sense in making the same mistake again... having the traditional stuff not as good as non-traditional stuff.

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Message Edited by omadnay on 01-22-2005 02:39 PM

omadnay
Sat Jan 22, 2005 12:37 pm
#295



silversaber wrote:


Stakex007 wrote:


ravisher wrote:


Thunderheart wrote:
There is actually no precedent for Rebel Armor in the Canon and very very little in the EU. We did quite a bit of research and none of the EU rebel armor was anywhere near as cool as the Imperial armor so we worked with LucasArts to get the new armor approved.
This new Rebel Armor is canon now



i think one of the things that you guys really missed the point of everything that any rebel ever wore in the movies, is that you could see thier faces. the only people on the imperial side that you saw were the officers. everyone else, all the storm troopers, looked exactly like the last one you killed. i think it just made it so that when you saw a rebel die, you saw a person dieing. Not just a body in a plastic shell.


Yea but the Rebels never wore armor... so its not really something that can be compared in MHO. I mean if the rebels did ever wear armor, you better believe they would want to have as much covered as possible. Sure, for a story world point of view open faces would show a diffrence between Rebels and Imps... however in reality.... thats not how it works.


Then they need to style whatever armor more closely to the past uniforms!!

And no, were not talking reality, we are talking Starwars!!!!!

For which these new armors do NOT look a part of for Rebels.


Message Edited by silversaber on 01-22-2005 10:28 AM





To everyone saying that the Rebels never wore any armor in the movies...
They absolutely wore helmets!
Not full suits, but definately helmets.

In the game, we have Mabari, Padded, Chittin and Bone Helmets that are all open-faced.
Saying that the movie helmets are open-faced is no defense for not using them.
I think we could all live (I should say PLAY) with open-faced helmets.
Let's not let "reality" hinder the Star Wars Tradition of this game.

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Surseance
Sat Jan 22, 2005 12:46 pm
#296

TH,


Great that the Rebel Trooper helmet will get in-game. If it's black it's just the same as the Imperial Navy Trooper helmet as well. All you need for a Navy trooper is a Tie Fighter suit (already in-game), the trooper helmet, black boots and black gloves. Voila!


I also want to point you towards silversabre's post. I agree 100% with him that these new rebel armor doesn't give a Star Wars-feeling.Silversabre is definitely not alone in thinking exactly the same here!! Know why? Cause we're Star Wars FANS.



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Meplorium
Sat Jan 22, 2005 2:39 pm
#297









GlanocRunningstrider wrote:
I have to agree, your armor designer has a serious thing for the flaired out helmet look like in RIS. No need to bring it into the rebel armor as well. Interesting armor is one thing, but lets keep it Star Wars and not some anime fan's sick armor dream -- diverisfy!!!!




Take two of the most iconic helmets in star wars, Darth Vador's and a stormtrooper's helmet. Put Darth's on one side, the stormtrooper on the other, then the RIS in the middle. Then decide how star warsy that RIS helmet really is. It is very clear what the influence for that helmet came from.


The new rebel armor fits with the original marine armor design and looks good in my opinion. Doesn't make me think rebel, then again, the reason why there isn't any rebel armor in the movies or books, is because rebels don't wear armor. So any rebel armor, no mater what it looks like,wouldn't make me think rebel. I can see why they never did wear armor, a stromtrooper for all their armor, always got one shoted. Doesn't seem like that armor did much. In this game however armor does work and is imporant and for good game balance, armor is needed on both sides of the GCW. In this situation no mater how you fill that armor gap for rebels, that armor simply won't come accross as being rebel. A long selved shirt, a black vest and a funky helmet isn't armor and trying to make it look like armor wouldn't look right, because it wasn't armor.



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JimerLins
Sat Jan 22, 2005 2:40 pm
#298

*drool*

OK, now I'm glad I'm still a Master AS, even though I hardly make armor any more. Now I will.



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QuiJonOz
Sat Jan 22, 2005 2:48 pm
#299

Will Imperial armor be limited to white, or will we have the colors seen in the game available (black, and in the case of swamp troopers green)? Will we be able to get colored pauldrons (normally used to denote rank I believe)?



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