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Okay aibo220...

First, let's just reiterate something from one of your earlier posts....

You told the wookies at the Life Day Celebration about the treu meaning of Christmas.
Now, aside form the fact they there weren't celebrating Christmas, and aside from the fact that they exist in a fictional universe removed from our own and our own history...

You explained the "true meaning of christmas" to computer sprites.
Computer sprites with no consciousness and more importantly, no soul.

Just wanted to remind everyone of that, some might have missed it.

Now, on Happy Holidays.
This is a term that says "I don't know you, and I don't know what you celebrate (and I don't much care) but I want to give you a seasonally and culturally appropriate greeting/goodbye"

This is not trying to remove your god from your celebrations, it's simply -content neutral-.

Now, fine, go ahead and boycott, but please rmeember that you are not the first person to do this. People started using Happy Holidays and Season's Greetings because in the past, they used Mreery Christmas and found they were offending Jews, Muslims, Athiests and others. The offended Jews, Muslims, Athiests and others decided to not shop at these stores. Since the last thing a retailer wants to do is offend a customer, they moved to contnet neutrality. Emplyers alos realized in many cases that they cannot mandate the religion or the religious expression of their employees. So, rather than face a big fat lawsuit for making their non-christian employees participate in a religious celebration that they did not subscribe to, they moved to content neutrality.

Christian Christmas is under no greater threat now than it was when Coca Cola mas marketed the figure we all culturally recognize as Santa Clause.

Now, as to your comments (and others comments) about the 75k and the economy....it's just a one time 75k gift. That's 2 and 1/3 Janta missions. You won't get that on a daily or weekly basis, it's one time. You can also bet that a third of that reward is going to be eaten up by the gaping money sink of the Chassis Dealer for most of the new characters that get it. With the state that the economy is in, this will barely be a blip on the market.

Message Edited by Hakai on 12-24-2004 01:20 AM

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JerethBane wrote:
Okay aibo220...

You explained the "true meaning of christmas" to computer sprites.
Computer sprites with no consciousness and more importantly, no soul.

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theoden-flurry wrote:

what about the people who dont celebrate x-mass? why force it on them

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No one is forcing anything on anyone, it truly is sad you see it that way. I pray for you.

Merry Christmas!

Wokka-wokka

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aibo220 wrote:

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DeQuosaek wrote:

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aibo220 wrote:
Christmas making a come back --

I would like to think it will but in all honesty, I don't see it. People are boycotting retailors who refuse to use Merry Christmas, which I have been doing for years, but before things get better they will get worse.

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Boycotting retailers who don't have the same beliefs as you or who don't celebrate the same way as you is a tad bit intolerant isn't it? That's not very Christian-like last time I checked.

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It is not a question of belief but intollerance for others.

If a retailor is going to exploit the true meaning of Christmas to make sells, go ahead. I don't mind it, I encourage it. But when they use Christmas associated decor then slap on a Happy Holidays... Absolutely not. Especially when they used to use Christmas.

And it is Christian-like. I am not going to throw a brick through the window of the shop but I will refuse to shop there. I have just as much right to boycott as they do to white-out Christmas. Fighting for ones right in a peaceful manner is not only Christian-like but American like.

I am not one of those people who sit idly by and watch big business and the government diminish traditions I hold dear or manipulate the public. There may not be too many things I can do in my power but I do make use of the few things I can do and one of those things is being cautious of who I give my money to.

It is sad to see young children having to grow up in a world where all tradtions and celebrations must be slapped together to form some "holiday" with no meaning behind it as it demonstrates intollerance and promotes the belief that a muli-cultral society does not work.

Holiday is only acceptable at this time of year when it includes both Christmas AND Hannukah, in the least. Otherwise it is unacceptable.

And you'd be surprised to see who all agrees with that as many groups are boycotting this Christmas season and is in fact why retailors are not reaching their projected sells.

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Right on. Its awful hypocritical of a store to bank on Christmas without even observing the reason the holiday exists. The almighty dollar is what runs those stores and I think our choice to not give them that cash is a moral obligation of good people. Merry Christmas everyone.

Wokka-wokka

Sales off due to many people such as myself who are boycotting retailors who gave up Christmas.

The economy has nothing to do with it. Do you think stores would project sells that surpass the current state of the economy? No, they wouldn't. They are hired professianals who know the state of the economy who will not make such a mistake based on that.

I've read articles all over the internet and newpapers and heard reports on television how many others like me are boycotting. In OK, many voters denied to give their public school a grant after the superintendent removed the nativity scene from a school play but allowed the Menorah and Ramadan symbols to remain.

Peope are fed up with it and finally taking action. For you to think the lack of sells is because of the economy you are sadly misjudging.

"I don't know you, and I don't know what you celebrate (and I don't much care) but I want to give you a seasonally and culturally appropriate greeting/goodbye"

Wrong.

They do care, you said it itself that business care so much that they went from Merry Christmas to Happy Holidays. If they didn't care they would've left it with Christmas instead of changing it. Why put effort into something you don't care about? =/

But those retailors will be sadly left out of all the Christmas shopping. Projections are not being met this Christmas season and I'm pretty sure you can figure out why without me telling you. And just a hint: It doesn't involve "global warming."


And how is a store window, commercial or box that says Merry Christmas forcing a religion onto their employees? Puh-LEEZE! It is not, especially considering how people of all religions and all cultures are celebrating Christmas.... It is EXTREMELY difficult, if not impossible, to pin the celebration of Christmas down as being soley a religious holiday. Hannukah and Ramadan... Not too many people celebrate those holidays, if any, other then those who are apart of the religion they spawn from. As where with Christmas.. It's not only Christians. You got more non-Christians celebrating Christmas then Christians themselves.

Also, a business being barred from wishing customers a Merry Christmas due to the government would be mean America is taking another step closer into Communisim. It is only in Communist countries where business' are fully regulated by the government. America is supposed to be free, including the market, economy and business. Granted they do not discriminate. And wishing a Merry Christmas, Happy Hannukah, Happy Ramadan, etc, etc... Is not discrimination.

What IS discrimination is public schools barring children from having a nativty scene during a school play but allowing a Menorah and Ramdan associated symbols. Even going all out in suspending students for wishing each other a Merry Christmas, handing out Christmas cards and even wearing red/green colored scarfs... THAT is discriminating. And the same things go on in the office.

I never said the government is interfering with retailors using Christmas, that has yet to come. It was you who talked about lawsuits and the like for using Christmas, I simplly said that if a business were to get sued for wishing a Merry Christmas, it would mean that we are living in a Communist society.


As for the way Christians reacted to Christmas being tied to Santa and the like... What Christians? I was never offended by that nor was anyone in my family or that I knew.

What christians reject Christmas being tied to Santa rather than the birth of Jesus that is)? My minister, my youth minister, Jerry Fallwell, Pat Robertson, James Dobosn...
Heh, I knew kids who were told early on that Santa did not exist and asking him for thing was odolotry.

Also, jsut for some claification:

If we were a communist state, we wouldn't have malls that we could go to in the first place much less worry about whether the stores were displaying the proper holiday message.

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JerethBane wrote:
What christians reject Christmas being tied to Santa rather than the birth of Jesus that is)? My minister, my youth minister, Jerry Fallwell, Pat Robertson, James Dobosn...
Heh, I knew kids who were told early on that Santa did not exist and asking him for thing was odolotry.

Also, jsut for some claification:

If we were a communist state, we wouldn't have malls that we could go to in the first place much less worry about whether the stores were displaying the proper holiday message.

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Uh... I didn't say we are. In many areas the government IS similar to communist governments in the way it DOES regulate business and families and even private property. But still not enough to be classified as a Communist government.... So why are you trying to say the country is not Communist when I never said it was?

And I also didn't say that Christians prefer Christmas being tied to Santa rather then the birth of Christ. Instead I said that Christians don't really mind the Santa and the tree. For starters, most Christians celebrate Christmas with a tree and with children who believe Santa is real. It is a fun tradition that brings families together. So why would those same Christians be offended by retailors having a Christmas tree and Santa on display with Merry Christmas?

I have absolutely no clue what you are trying to say in your post as it just doesn't make sense or relate to anything that I have said which also leads me to be lost in what it is you are trying to rebuttal.