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Thread: Christmas Gift from SOE
Wolveryne40 wrote:
aries_liak wrote:
ShyaAlar wrote:
I look around this post and I'm awestruck by the greed and demands of some of the people posting in this thread.
This is the time of year to give thanks and be grateful. To give and to celebrate with family....
/shake's head
What message are you sending everyone? /sad
Happy Life day everyone, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!!!!! /Spreads the joy
Expecting a gift isn't greedy you moron. A gift is defined as follows:
"Something that is bestowed voluntarily and without compensation"
It can be a worthless item to a million dollar ring. I expect a gift. A token of appreciation. A happy holidays.
I expect it from my boss and my friends and family. I do not expect it to have a significant monetary value. I want them to remember me and appreciate me as I do they. I would send SOE a christmas gift but I cannot seeing as soe is a nameless faceless organization. I expect things I pay a 149.99 subscriptions to to wish me a happy holidays with a token of appreciation. Even my magazine sends me a christmas card.
Thaats right moron you expect it .. there for it is neither voluntary nor with out compensation. To you its demanding or suffer your whinyness.
Expecting a gift doesn't violate these premises of giving of a gift. I am not forcing anyone to give a gift. Forcing a gift to be given would be "give me a present or I will cancel my subscription." The expectation is that I have been a loyal customer and deserve a gift for the holidays. The resulting "whinyness" is the fact that I am getting nothing going against an expectation that was set with presendence last year. The Wookie life day was NEVER was billed as the holiday gift until Tiggs just said it was our "gift". A re-gift of last years orbs in some cases. TH in the same thread said it wasn't a holiday gift and then Tiggs just contridicted him most likely because this cheap behavior looks bad.
I expect my friends to be friends not fuel me with gifts expect my boss to keep me in a job, my family to be therein time of need. i do not "expect" a gift from any of them. there fore when it is giving it is indeed voluntary.
So if your friends and boss don't give you a gift your "ok" with that? If your parents don't give you any christmas presents your "ok" with that? That is an outrageous thought. You expect people to behave and follow social customs. When they don't you get upset, angry, fustrated, or whiny in the fact they are either idiots not aware of social and behavior customs or there blantent disrespect of you by knowing giving nothing.
I expect for my 15 a month for s.o.e. to do their job and that goes with the devs. i do not expect nor desire a flipping gift.
my gift to s.o.e and the devs is to not be a child every moment i get on here and realise somethings do infact take time to build.
I yell at them, because... well i yell at everyone and why should they be the expections. lol
So now you know why you do not get a gift from me, you expect it, hence you would not get it.
Friends like that i can do without you ingrate.
Well here we sort of agree. Doing there job is a given. It is idiotic not to expect that. It such a non issue and I cannot believe you support someone doing bare miniums as a valid excuse for not providing above quality service and customer satisfaction. Again social customs here are to give a gift. The wookie life day isn't a gift its an ingame quest. Quests are not gifts. I don't yell at SOE. I make scathing flaming posts about poor judgement that they contineously demonstrate as the norm. Simply providing a token of appreciation on the holidays would quell dissent and dissatisfaction with the views of a company who could care less about producing a high quality game.
As for our "friendship" I have news for you. I aint your friend. Never was. I don't know you and could care less about you. Wish you well for the holidays though and have a happy new year!
See how easy it is. Even though I don't know you I still wish you a happy holidays. Think about it.
Warp1001 wrote:
Reekoh wrote:
You reckon if I buy JTL tomorrow, which it should have arrived by then, I will get the present?
Message Edited by Reekoh on 12-21-2004 06:45 PM
Yes... it's good through January 31st 2005
Right now you can get a free ten day trial of JTL from fileplanet or buy it for less then 10 bucks from amazon.com.
Well....EXCUSE ME! I have not received my email yet so I did not know what the contents said. Geeezzzz.
MadDog36 wrote:
ok, so if this grant of 75k has NOTHING TO DO a Christmas gift, then why does my e-mail say the following, "Congratulations – we are pleased to inform you that you have just received 75,000 in-game credits added to one existing character per galaxy as our way of saying thanks for a great year. Our best to you this holiday season." I like your reasoning that it is for new JTL subscribers, it's a good theory and all, if it was to help out new JTL userswhy not just SAY it is for new JTL users to get started?!?!?!?
Maybe I don't understand what these two sentences mean, but it certainly READS that they are thanking me for a great year!!!!!!
I could care less about the 75k or a gift or whatnot. My main concern was the lack of communication between TH and the rest of the Development team/Marketing Team. This is NOT the first time TH has come on the boards saying one thing, and then days later it changes. It is a sign of miscommunication within SOE, and that frankly continues to trouble me with what direction we are going in.
Message Edited by amiller44 on 12-21-2004 01:04 PM
Oh, quit your whining and go get your Life Day gift.
Lt_Ford wrote:
Wow.... Thanks SOE for nothing this christmas. (Non JTL User)
DeQuosaek wrote:
Oh, quit your whining and go get your Life Day gift.
Lt_Ford wrote:
Wow.... Thanks SOE for nothing this christmas. (Non JTL User)
mauvros wrote:The gift is lame, im sorry and I know it sounds greedy but its lame.
75k? Have they looked at the economy lately?
Aside from that, you must have JTL to claim this gift. How lame is that??? Is that supposed to promote sales for JTL?
"Buy our $50 game and well give you enough money for a CDEF pistol"
Lame, lacking in creativity, greedy, discriminating present.
They could cancel this game tomorrow and I wouldn’t lose a bit of sleep over it, and IM JEDI!!
I knew they were going to give out a gift that requires the expansion so I was thinking maybe a special ship for everyone.
But instead they give us some credits to help inflate the economy more saying that you have to own JTL to qualify...
Not only is the credits a stupid move, inflated economies as it is, but totally uncreative and thoughtless. On top of that, you must have JTL to qualify? That is extremely transparent. They are trying to sway people to buy JTL for a measley 75k credits? Dispicable!
Now, would the gift be a ship... Obviously you need the expansion but it wouldn't seem so much like a ploy as it would a kind gesture.
Look around you. Are you blinded? Every where you look it is just "Happy Holidays" which would be more then okay if there was a Christmas tree, menorah and Kwanzaa thing... But there isn't.
You see a Christmas tree with other Christmas associated decor with Holiday on it.
Menorah and other Hannukah related decor with Holiday on it.
What the heck is that? The Menorah is stricly Hannukah as is the Christmas tree stricly Christmas. So why they are labeling it holiday? In an attempt to blur it all together or to whipe out Christ? Everyone can come to their own conclusion on that but it all points to the same meaning... Intollerance.
If you're going to have Christmas decor all over say Merry Christmas... It makes sense.
A Menorah say Happy Hannukah.
This blurring it all together, which has never been done before, not only demonstrates intollerance but also promotes the belief that a multi-cultural society does not work.
If the developers are going to say Happy Holidays on the 25th, I have to wonder what Holiday they are refering to as Hannukah is long past as is Ramadan and Kwanza has yet to begin. It is apparent they are wishing us a Merry Christmas unless that Happy Holidays had been on display since the first day of Hannukah.
Then there is also the fact that Christmas is filtered ingame from text input fields and that Christ is considered "foul" while every other religious name known to man is not filtered nor is any other holiday that is associated to other relgions.
You might believe that the developers are doing us believers in Christ a "favor" but why would they prevent people from making a joke out of our faith, as you have given an example of, but then not return the favor for those who believe in Islam or Buddhism? Someone can use Allah or Buddah in an "offensive" manner with their vendor.
So why did the developers do us Christians a "favor" but not anyone else? Doesn't really make sense does it? As we all know the developers aren't nessecarilly Christ's biggest fan as they can't even wish us a Merry Christmas.
There is obviously more to the filtering of Christ then you believe.
Message Edited by aibo220 on 12-21-2004 02:31 PM
MadDog36 wrote:My last post has more to do with the post that was put up in capital letters that it had nothing to do with an end of year/Christmas gift, and all about new JTL users.
/agree
If the 75k credits were a grant for players to buy a new ship... It would've came with the launch of JTL.
Every review I have read on JTL states that new players should not buy it that it only caters to veterans. I have to agree. The developers read these reviews, unless they ignore them like they do these forums, so knowing that... They would've given those credits to JTL players a long time ago to make it more newb friendly.
The fact they are giving it out now, at Christmas time, shows it is infact a Christmas/Holiday/End of the year gift.
Secodnly, the lack of thought and creativity that went into this "gift card" shows it was thrown together within minutes... After the backlash everyone shown when TH admitted to there being no Christmas gift this year.
Thus, it is a Christmas gift or in the least a New Years gift.
Mirkwoods wrote:The more I play SWG and the more I read the forums, the more I think that there are a lot of people whom are very unhappy that are playing this game. They never seem to be happy with anything. I'm sorta glad that I'm not a DEV on this game, because it must be rough always reading the same things from disgruntled players.I do believe that we have a right to complain with this game, especially since we are paying a monthly fee for it, but some of it is just ridiculous. Please, just try to give it a rest. Just try.Sure, I'd like to receive a Christmas gift from SOE, but since the Star Wars Universe does not really have Christmas, I'd rather see something like a voucher for a free month of play. Something real.For those of you whom do not celebrate Christmas, or do not think that you should even have to look at any Christmas things, I kinda agree with you, but the way the world is, you'll have to get over it, or you'll drive yourself mad.Christmas is for kids, and retailers. Christ wasn't even born very close to Christmas, the tradition was started to make the Christian holiday more palatable to the pagans whom were being forced into Christianity by their Roman Emporer. At least into an acceptance of the religion. It's like Easter... when Christ rose from the dead... it is celebrated with things like bunnies, eggs, chickens and baby animals.... it was a fertility holiday that was melded with a Christian one. These things just make me laugh, and a little bit too hard sometimes. It really is funny, from a certain point of view.
You know what... Guess who also did not have a Christmas... Norrath, Vana'diel and Britannica. But you know what? They gave us as present for Christmas or a fun way to celebrate it ingame.
Traditions help build strong communities and are fun and enjoyable by all. It is something different to look forward to each year. Otherwise, everyday is exactly the same with nothing to look forward to. There is no harm in it.
As for you saying people need to get used to Christmas... Wrong. People need to get used to not seeing Christmas as it is being whiped out of society by the government and corporations thanks to a very small group of people with loud voices. Compare going through the mall and watching TV today to the 90s... Christmas is not even whispered.
Christmas is also not for "only" kids and retailors
Retailors no longer acknowledge Christmas which explains sells not reaching their projections this Christmas season.
Kids... OF course they love Christmas. I do too. So do older people. Maybe you do not, but that is your loss.
There are 2 sides of Christmas a relgiious one and a commercial one. The commercial one is enjoyed not only by Christians but also by Jewish people and Buddists and Athiests. It is a fun tradition that brings families and communites together. Even in the most Muslim of nations they have Christmas.
As for the relgious version... Rather Christ was born on the 25th of December or not doesn't mean anything. You can celebrate a person's birthday on any day of the year and have the same party as you would on the exact day of that persons birth.
Christmas is for those of all ages. For kids from 1 to 92 and every age beyond that.
Message Edited by aibo220 on 12-21-2004 02:33 PM
aibo220 wrote:
Warryyr --
Look around you. Are you blinded? Every where you look it is just "Happy Holidays" which would be more then okay if there was a Christmas tree, menorah and Kwanzaa thing... But there isn't.
You see a Christmas tree with other Christmas associated decor with Holiday on it.
Menorah and other Hannukah related decor with Holiday on it.
What the heck is that? The Menorah is stricly Hannukah as is the Christmas tree stricly Christmas. So why they are labeling it holiday? In an attempt to blur it all together or to whipe out Christ? Everyone can come to their own conclusion on that but it all points to the same meaning... Intollerance.
If you're going to have Christmas decor all over say Merry Christmas... It makes sense.
A Menorah say Happy Hannukah.
This blurring it all together, which has never been done before, not only demonstrates intollerance but also promotes the belief that a multi-cultural society does not work.
If the developers are going to say Happy Holidays on the 25th, I have to wonder what Holiday they are refering to as Hannukah is long past as is Ramadan and Kwanza has yet to begin. It is apparent they are wishing us a Merry Christmas unless that Happy Holidays had been on display since the first day of Hannukah.
Then there is also the fact that Christmas is filtered ingame from text input fields and that Christ is considered "foul" while every religious name known to man is not filtered nor is any other holiday that is associated to other relgions.
You might believe that the developers are doing us believers in Christ a "favor" but why would they prevent people from making a joke out of our faith, as you have given an example of, but then not return the favor for those who believe in Islam or Buddhism? Someone can use Allah or Buddah in an "offensive" manner with their vendor.
So why did the developers do us Christians a "favor" but not anyone else? Doesn't really make sense does it? As we all know the developers aren't nessecarilly Christ's biggest fan as they can't even wish us a Merry Christmas.
There is obviously more to the filtering of Christ then you believe.
No, I'm not blind. My Christmas tree says Merry Christmas on it. Who gives a flying womprat about some public displays? The world is, and has been for a long time, ruled by lawyers. No gigantic corporation wants to risk some discrimination suit. That's how the legal world, and the real world, works. Nothing will change it.
They can plaster huge frogs everywhere with the word "Blargulfest 2004" for all I care. I'M celebrating Christmas.
I think you're just one of those people that are WAY too into Christ. SWG isn't the place to champion your Lord, or to argue about it's inclusion/censoring in-game.
And, why don't they censor Jewish/Islamic/Buddhist words in-game? Probably because they don't turn out in records numbers to boycott/sue people when their priests/clergy tell them to. And as for why Christmas is the holiday censored - news flash - it has the word Christ in it. That's how word filters work.
Celebrate your holidays as you like, and stop worrying about everyone else in public supporting your religion.
You believe in it. You congregate with others who believe in it. Why does Best Buy/Wal-mart/your local government have to justify your beliefs? So they make it generic - so what.
This country was founded and gains it's strength by it's immigrants and it's diversity.
Seems to me that campaigning for "Merry Christmas" to just be plastered everywhere if that's what everyone "really means" will just be taking us a step backwards towards segregation and intolerance.
Happy Holidays. From the heart.
Let it go, and have some eggnog, and throw another angel on your front lawn. In one week it won't matter for another year. Enjoy it while it lasts.