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Thread: XP loss
Imperial46385
Wed Jul 13, 2005 6:25 pm
#196
i beleive that its not necessary and heres why
1) it was designed for the reason to make it so you couldnt farm creds.... but with the new patch thats coming out.... you wont be able to tellwho your going to kill....
2) most players i talk to got killed in the area of 4 or 5 times on there way to fully templeted..... so 2 mil exp more to grind ...thats not much in the jedi grind
3) it will give jedi more chances to hunt on planets w/o worrying about exp loss.... how ever i do believe that this will make more jedi sit around in cities showing off their jedi....this needs to be changed..... i think we all can agree and say its not mainly how many jedi there are.... its how often u see them.....not sure on how to change thisbut it does need to be
dodz
Wed Jul 13, 2005 6:31 pm
#197
GirovDzatey wrote:
sorry but xp loss is absolutly necessary. Jedi should be losing skill boxes and the penalty for death should grow as a jedi puts more skill points into jedi.
Jedi cry about xp loss & the penalties for playing jedi, and then wonder why your nerfed so bad. Without the penalties, you should be nerfed down again to match up against any other combat prosession.
Then they would have to make it so only 1 bh could hunt a jedi, 2 day timer upon getting killed before you could get back on the terms and 3 day timer before said bh could hunt you again, a bounty on the bh for the value of the jedi they failed against and skill box loss if the bh was killed by a bh. My 2 cents and i have walked both paths, equal punishment for lossing both ways. Dont make it so only 1 side can get reward and one side gains nothing.
dodz
Wed Jul 13, 2005 6:42 pm
#198
WarNerve5776 wrote:
BH should not get xp loss.They are a normal profession. The more some ofyou Jedi cry for things to be easier the weaker they will make the Jedi profession. If no one cried about skill loss Jedi would be able to be more powerful. Alot of you will say"But the grind to get a Jedi is way harder than any other profession",well,no one forced you to become a Jedi. You make it all the way thru the grind to get your Jedi only to complain that it's too hard to level. So they make it a little easier,and make you a little weaker. By constantly crying you are throwing away what you worked so hard to get.
I totally disagree with this entirely. why only punish jedi for failing? Any combat profession that can kd a target has a weapon that can be enhanced and has doctor in it can take a jedi. bh with chain mez ability can smoke a jedi. I am a pre pub 9 jedi and find that there has always been some temp that can take out jedi, they have never been the all powerful. Before we had defense stackers, pikeman/doc with nasty dot weapons, then came tkm/bh or pikeman/bh if they knew what they were doing and had good dots, now we have these rifleman/cm/bh rifleman/smuggler/bh combos that can get a jedi knockdowned and unable to heal, attack or stand. how is the grind easier, Before we would group up and solo hunt, now you have to group hunt and stay together gaining visibility all the while. There has always been the superfast easy xp place, we had the geo caves, then came the first room in DWB, now they have wookie planet trail thing. Not much really has changed just slight differences here and there. Now there is more variety in temps not so much FOTM as before
Strangeur
Wed Jul 13, 2005 6:47 pm
#199
Melneck wrote:
WarNerve5776 wrote:
BH should not get xp loss.They are a normal profession. The more some ofyou Jedi cry for things to be easier the weaker they will make the Jedi profession. If no one cried about skill loss Jedi would be able to be more powerful. Alot of you will say"But the grind to get a Jedi is way harder than any other profession",well,no one forced you to become a Jedi. You make it all the way thru the grind to get your Jedi only to complain that it's too hard to level. So they make it a little easier,and make you a little weaker. By constantly crying you are throwing away what you worked so hard to get.
Okay you've made your point already. Stop posting the same thing. It didnt make sense the first time....(sarcastic?)
Actually, his point did make sense - and I believe he repeatedthe statementbecause no one wanted to acknowledge it.
If Jedi is so unfair a grind, then why the hell do u do it?! Becausea Jedi IS more powerful than any other prof.
Tho I personally reckon an NPC controlled way would be the best means of controlling Jedi population. Far too much aggro both ways the it currently stands.
dodz
Wed Jul 13, 2005 6:52 pm
#200
JediNizar2 wrote:
P__Day wrote:
JediNizar2 wrote:
Jisrael wrote:
Answer me this, what does the BH lose?
a little decay on the uber elite weapons/armor/junk.
What does a Jedi lose?
1 to 2 days of grinding. Just to have more BH come after him while grinding.
What does a BH gain, by killing Jedi?
money, a lot of it, and bragging rights to say, ohhh, i killed me a jedi.
What does a jedi gain by killing the BH?
More BH after his butt.
where is the fairness in this, I would agree , no more XP loss. Maybe there would not be many BH whining , " oh he ran , and cloaked and hid in his house, then logged off." as it is , Jedi is soooo nerfed, were pretty much the same as any profession, the only difference is, it took us 6 months to a year to get here.
As s hol u get a 1 Free Chara Slot on the Same Server.... u get all the content and Boss mobs to kill and all the loot farming by jedi u get an Alpha class, u get all the attention from the Devs and Bug fixes
What get or did got a Smuggler in the last 2 Years? a Smuggler profession who can't smuggle, broken and useless skills, nerfs and lies from the Devs.....
a new slicing system last patch. the boss mobs and content is there for everyone. go back to some otehr place and whine noob.
shut up... after 2 years we got this crap?!!! we didn't ask about a new Slice system, a systeme where we have to loot Boss mobs only vincible by jedi to get loots that aren't droping....
We Smuggler would give up the slicing if we could smuggle!!! what if they take out the force or the Light Saber from the JEDI?!!!!!!
now who is the noob??
u jedi just want an"I win botton"
this is an Appel to all the Devs... PLEAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSE give the Jedi a skill with wich they can kill any palyer or npc with 1 hit. please give them all loots and give them 10Mil credit every day so they just shut up and stop whining....
Message Edited by JediNizar2 on 07-13-2005 02:02 AM
lol smuggler in combination with bh and rifleman is nasty with panic and concussion shot, startle, no jedi stands a chance against a hybrid temp with these
dodz
Wed Jul 13, 2005 6:55 pm
#201
Eleutherios wrote:
"where is the fairness in this, I would agree , no more XP loss. Maybe there would not be many BH whining , " oh he ran , and cloaked and hid in his house, then logged off." as it is , Jedi is soooo nerfed, were pretty much the same as any profession, the only difference is, it took us 6 months to a year to get here. "
Keep in mind thata fully templated Jedi will own a fully templated Normal. I've yet to see a straight 1v1 duel where the fully-temped Jedi didn't win. Besides, Jedi is supposed to be hard mode -- it's not supposed to be as easy as a normal profession. There needs to be SOME risk involved in it, or else everyone will be Jedi quickly. And that's bad for you because that measn more nerfs.
Not true I have taken out fully templated jedi with master bh/master pistoleer 0400 cm, with master pistols/master bh/4000 cm, with master marksman/master bh/master rifleman, master bh/master rifleman/4000 cm, there are smuggler/bh/rifleman hybrids who can chain mez jedi and kill them without taking one bit of damage. Also master pikeman/master doc can take a jedi out as well
inquisitor76
Wed Jul 13, 2005 7:26 pm
#202
I totallly agree that either jedi do not lose xp anymore, cause they are very weak now in this game. In the real Star Wars universe, jedi are the strongest and most powerful, not anymore, they are like other professions now though. The lightsabers are horrible even with premium/flawless pearls compared to regular wepaons. The other option is have a penalty for the BH. The game is very boring once you completley grind level 80. I hope they do something about that. Anyways just my opinion, and whether you are a Bh or a jedi you probably agree xp loss is not even close to fair compared to how the other professionsa re stronger now.
Eleutherios
Wed Jul 13, 2005 8:07 pm
#203
"Not true I have taken out fully templated jedi with master bh/master pistoleer 0400 cm, with master pistols/master bh/4000 cm, with master marksman/master bh/master rifleman, master bh/master rifleman/4000 cm, there are smuggler/bh/rifleman hybrids who can chain mez jedi and kill them without taking one bit of damage. Also master pikeman/master doc can take a jedi out as well "
I'm talking about a straight 1v1 fight, not a bounty.
malagoth
Wed Jul 13, 2005 8:32 pm
#204
What's the point of even having XP loss at all? It was never intended to be a deterent to leveling, it's sole purpose was to stop people from farming their alts. I don't think that will ever be a problem once Publish 20 hits live.
Hopefully the new development team can come up with a solution to this whole BH/Jedi fiasco and make it enjoyable for both sides.
SilverSurferX
Wed Jul 13, 2005 9:51 pm
#205
I'd be happy if they just cut the xp loss in half
. I lose xp as fast as I gain it. It's like I'm ina hamster wheel....not getting anywhere.
. I lose xp as fast as I gain it. It's like I'm ina hamster wheel....not getting anywhere.
c0kes
Wed Jul 13, 2005 10:26 pm
#206
Nice posts, nice to see there are so many point sof views! Now if you excuse me, Im gonna go make a group in dantooine and use my CDEF lightsaber to kill some bols until my eyes melt or start to bleed.
Lets hope Mr. MBH/MRifles/4xxx CM with a full row of stims in his/her toolbar doesnt find me! Or else I will have to kill more bols until my brain explodes.
Cerano
Wed Jul 13, 2005 10:33 pm
#207
I'm a CL51 Jedi. I was a pub9 Jedi so I got it the old Holo grinding way. 31 Prof Badges to prove it. I come back after a year and I got from being able to kill any BH to getting one hit killed by them. Okay so no I can't solo for exp, but to group means major visibility. And this is to be resolved with the next release. I think that's good enough. Jedi Exp loss makes it tougher yea, but it is suppose to be. The issue here is that they changed it so no one can solo for exp. If they made me able to solo for exp I'd say not even bother with the visibility update, but they wont do that so here is what we got.
c0kes
Wed Jul 13, 2005 10:38 pm
#208
Cerano wrote:
I'm a CL51 Jedi. I was a pub9 Jedi so I got it the old Holo grinding way. 31 Prof Badges to prove it. I come back after a year and I got from being able to kill any BH to getting one hit killed by them. Okay so no I can't solo for exp, but to group means major visibility. And this is to be resolved with the next release. I think that's good enough. Jedi Exp loss makes it tougher yea, but it is suppose to be. The issue here is that they changed it so no one can solo for exp. If they made me able to solo for exp I'd say not even bother with the visibility update, but they wont do that so here is what we got.
Was this your first BH death? because if it was, just give it a few more weeks, when you feel you are advancing in the Jedi disciplines, yet, you get killed as fast as when you had 0 novice boxes.
Thats when you will say, 'screw XP loss!'