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Thread: XP loss
ThereIsPassion wrote:
Message Edited by NothingShocking on 07-13-2005 12:09 PM
I would fight every single time a BH comes after me if it weren't for exp loss. Exp loss makes it NOT worth it for me and the BH suffers for it because they don't get the content they want either.
DarthDominus wrote:
1. Jedi and BH will definitely have more battles. There would be no substantial reason for a Jedi to flee. The tensions that exist between the two professions would be decreased significantly as it would be "all for fun." BH would still stand to gain credits from the battle if they win, but the Jedi would not stand to lose anything whether they win or not. While trash talking may continue, it would be no more than that which occurs between PvP combatants in the GCW. I sincerely feel that BH were never meant to be the "regulators" of Jedi in this game (IE: Their JOB or DUTY is to cause Jedi to lose xp on a regular basis). The DEVs simply intended to give the BH content from a Star Wars universe perspectiveand saw a means to do it.
ThereIsPassion wrote:
Jedi is way stronger now then any normal profession.
If you played this game instead of grinding from day 1 then you would know how to pvp.
Both Jedi and BH whiners.
try lining a jedi up vs someone with : 4-0-0-4 doc, m.pikeman, m.brawler, 0-1-0-0 TK, and 0-0-0-3 swords. anyone with the latter template will win vs a jedi.
I think xp loss is a good thing. People just need clarification what it is ment to do now. Is it to keep the jedi population down, is it to keep the population of stronger jedi down, or is it to make it so that we run and try to stay a little more hidden from others to avoid a bounty.
I have been a MBH with 2 toons, and I have always felt a MBH should be stronger... but an unlock system should be implemented for it also, (if not for all elite professions) this would give a bounty hunter a reason to be more powerfull and they would no longer be a normal prof. Just by the nature of star wars, a fully trained jedi will be stronger then any 1 person... but doing an unlock for bounty hunter or any other elite profession 9with different requirements for each prof of course)would have gave everyone a reason to be proud of the profession they have chose. (just a side note of what i think of the bh/jedi situation).
But back on the topic.. yeah xp loss to me is acceptable, I knew the risk when I chose the proffesion.. and it keeps me mindfull of what I do.
Oh, I'm not saying it's not acceptable. Obviously it was acceptable to me when I chose to unlock. It's not I unlocked and pursued Jedi skills by accident. I'm simply saying if there were no exp loss, I'd play very differently, and coincidentally in a manner that BH's might find more enjoyable.
syykodisco wrote:
I think xp loss is a good thing. People just need clarification what it is ment to do now. Is it to keep the jedi population down, is it to keep the population of stronger jedi down, or is it to make it so that we run and try to stay a little more hidden from others to avoid a bounty.
I have been a MBH with 2 toons, and I have always felt a MBH should be stronger... but an unlock system should be implemented for it also, (if not for all elite professions) this would give a bounty hunter a reason to be more powerfull and they would no longer be a normal prof. Just by the nature of star wars, a fully trained jedi will be stronger then any 1 person... but doing an unlock for bounty hunter or any other elite profession 9with different requirements for each prof of course)would have gave everyone a reason to be proud of the profession they have chose. (just a side note of what i think of the bh/jedi situation).
But back on the topic.. yeah xp loss to me is acceptable, I knew the risk when I chose the proffesion.. and it keeps me mindfull of what I do.
It's all about knowing your weaknesses and when to strike your opponent.
A pikemans most powerful strike eats a hell lot of action.
lol I killedgank squads that attacked me with tkm, 2xxx healer and 2xxx enhancer...it's a joke how bad some people pvp and they were cl 80 and me.. cl 61
I was reading all the post...
BH say there must be punishment for choosing a profession...
Jedi ( and I may not think about the full template ones because those I look after for) say xp-loss let me grind longer and longer
normal professions...ok I think there are not only Smugglers having problems ( I think also about the Armorsmith, Rangers and Entertainers, etc.) say don't look too much on the jedi stuff we also need our revamps.
All points have their own right to exist.
BH and Jedi are the only profession classes that fight like hell against each others and there might be different reasons why . Even when I must say I still don't get the point that most BH bring out classical phrases like : We controll the jedi population etc. RPG is nice but I never met one of those doing RPG ingame. And I know there are always players on both side that don't behave like they should...but thats another story.
BH want to hunt jedi...most BH are not true hunters and don't want to hunt full templated jedi. So BH have atm big problems with the anonym jedis on the terms. Can't really understand that but it's ok - what will stay on the long term will be the true BH and hell I have more respect about those then the other millions that run around atm on the servers and still try to decide what droid when.
So atm my dear BH what does a jedi earn if he would stand and try to fight u? He earns more visibility and xp loss. So nothing that brings him terms off. In your profession it would mean every time u die to a jedi credit loss ( and we talk here about 1-2 million not 100k to make it equal to the grind time- cause not every padawan makes xxx.xxx xp per session cause not every padawan got time and a guild helping him that way) and lets say 72 hrs not allowed to take any other jedi mission. Maybe someone else finds better examples... So let us think about again about the jedi that come now - who don't have dbl xp , don't have the chance to respect to full templates and dont have more than 3-4hrs per day to play. They must use groups to get some xp and I thank if group visibility will really remove- cause what they may earn in xp the pre-cu jedi earned in solo grind.
So an idea came to me why those jedi should fight now a BH...what if they beat a BH and can manage it to kill him and they would get the same xp amount what they would loose on the other side if the BH would kill them. Also the visibility would reset to zero.
a) BH can lean back and say yes the penality if they loose is still there ( BH are happy )
b) young jedi have a reason to stay instead of using run and hide mechanics and also they can bank up maybe enough xp from one BH death to loose on the next. BH.That way we maybe don't have frustrated players in black holes.
c) xp loss for full templated jedi after doing the knight trials will be changed into FRS loss ( same amount what they would earn if BH kills them)
That way there would be some kind of balance to both sides.
To the normal professions, I really feel with u and I know there are always things that aren't how they be atm. ( to say I have also an AS, Smuggler and still cry for loosing my ranger /CH ) but I think the correspondents there also fight like lions for u.
Message Edited by Kyra-Vristaarn on 07-13-2005 10:22 AM
Viski wrote:
The fact your marks have reason to fear death is what makes BH such an enjoyable profession. If they had no reason to run away from us this was no different from regular pvp. Personally I think the penalties are too low atm, especially for full template jedi.If perma death is too harsh then I think they should at least lose a couple of skillboxes. Otherwise, whats the point in this entire visibility system if jedi can just ignore visibility once they reacha certain point?
you have no idea what it is like to lose ' a few boxes' unless you yourself grinded them all. So don't assume that this would be any reasonable solution. They removed permadeath for a reason, there will be no skill box loss for a reason....heck if we lose boxes for pvp then BHs should lose a box in invest every time they get squashed into the first in publsh 20....i mean BHs should fear a full template jedi as much as a paddy would so why not give the bounty hunters something to lose instead considering they never had to go through anything even close to what a jedi had to go through.
So your saying that, you enjoy making jedi miserable, you enjoy taking out the enjoyment out of other players, that pay , just like you, and spend there time trying to play a game. By taking away 4 to 8 hours of game time, while you risk nothing, is that enjoyable to you?
I say , get rid of xp loss, or give something the BH can lose also. or, get rid of xp loss, and make it credit loss, that will keep the exploiters from farming.
GeckoFighter wrote:
Viski wrote:
The fact your marks have reason to fear death is what makes BH such an enjoyable profession. If they had no reason to run away from us this was no different from regular pvp. Personally I think the penalties are too low atm, especially for full template jedi.If perma death is too harsh then I think they should at least lose a couple of skillboxes. Otherwise, whats the point in this entire visibility system if jedi can just ignore visibility once they reacha certain point?
you have no idea what it is like to lose ' a few boxes' unless you yourself grinded them all. So don't assume that this would be any reasonable solution. They removed permadeath for a reason, there will be no skill box loss for a reason....heck if we lose boxes for pvp then BHs should lose a box in invest every time they get squashed into the first in publsh 20....i mean BHs should fear a full template jedi as much as a paddy would so why not give the bounty hunters something to lose instead considering they never had to go through anything even close to what a jedi had to go through.