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ShineKnuckle wrote:

I like it. It looks as if the devs took our "make it rock - paper - scissors, instead of rock - bigger rock - biggest rock" pleas very seriously. Depending on how this is implemented, it could be truly awesome. I absolutely LOVE the Rebel Assault Armor, also. Assuming there are a few palette choices, anyway -- I really want a suit of that stuff in hunter green or pitch black.

None of the rebels in the Star Wars movies wore suits of heavy armor, but it's ludicrous to assume thatthe rebels neverfielded heavily armoredforces. Nobody would go willingly intoserious combat wearing the pants and light dress uniforms that the rebels in ANH's opening sequence wore; they were security guards on a ship intended to look like a diplomat's vessel. Their helmets were the only part of the outfit which could remotely be classed as "armor", and that's pushing it. I think the 'invented' designs look suitably high tech/"Star Warsy"™, and the rebel insignia on the chestplate is a nice touch.

Message Edited by ShineKnuckle on 01-21-2005 06:26 PM

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But you would have seen this armor in the Battle of Hoth and the unit sent to destroy the Shield on Endor.

While they look High-Tech, they dont look like anything the Rebels would wear in Starwars.

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silversaber wrote:

Looks promising so far.

But im disturbed that the Rebel armor has NO reference in cannon at all. The only armor suits you have that have any reference to the movies it eh Scout trooper and Storm Trooper armor.

You have basically created4 whole suits of armor that has NO relevance to the Movies or even the books.

The very fact that your breaking from the Movies this far is extremely disturbing. This game is becomming to lookless and less like Star Wars.

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What Rebel armor did you see in any of the movies?

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Wasn't planning on posting again, but i clicked the wrong button, and it took me back to this thread, and i saw your post:

A New Hope: The rebels didn't really have much in the line of armor in this movie, but they did have one thing: Helemts. Anyone remember those helmets that they wore on the Tantive IV (that corvett Vader borded?) I saw somewhere TH posted that that wasn't armor, and i do agree that the vests, sirts, and such aren't, but the helemt sure looked like armor to me. Be nice if SOE put that in at least, make it a 4th armor type with an imp counterpart, since imperials wore those helmets WITH a type of black armor on the Death Star in A new hope too.

The Empier Strikes Back: Hoth. You see snowtrooper armor there, so theres an alternat version of stormtrooper armor. Then you see what the rebels wear. that looks like a cross between armor and artic gear. Think about it: the rebels aren't going to go around without ANY armor, even on hoth, doubly so with imps landing on the planet!

Return of the Jedi: Endor. its not fully armor, but once again, the HELMETS are armor. Its commando gear, so it's probably got an armor chestplate or something underneath the camo-gear they're wearing, but some of it is also armor.

Seems that in the movies, the rebels wore mostly helmets as armor, but they DID have some. SOE could just throw those helmets in with clothing given armor stats that tailors could make or something. (they made clothing with armor stats for jedi after all, even if it hasn't really been working, it'd still be about the same.) As for classes for these armors, heres 2 suggestions:

Commando Armor: Camo-gear for rebels, 2 versions: Greens and browns, and light and dark browns. The browns are for desert planets like tatooine and lok, the other would cover most of the other planets in SWG. Imps would get 2 versions also. Both would look like scout trooper armor, but with different colors. Storm Commando armor would be black (its already in game BTW.), and swamptrooper armor would be green (its also in game already.) these would have special bonuses of some sort that would add to stuff like cover, camoflauge, ect. they'd be meant for sneaking around in, mabey even let players wearing them be hidden on the radar from enemy players if they aren't moving and the other player doesn't get too close. it'd be meant for ambushing other players, which would add a new twist to PvP. Think about it, if you could go prone, and spy on an enemy group thats regrouping during a PvP battle, or hide before the fight starts and snipe at the enemy just as the fight starts, or have to watch out of someone else doing that, it'd add a whole new aspect to PvP. To make sure players don't abuse this though, it'd be farily weak armor compared to the others, meant more for concealment than for all out combat.

Light-Infantry armor: This would be what the rebel ensigns wear, and a similar versions thats all black for Imperials. The rebel one is already in game, and the imperial one would be a retexture thats all black. These armors could give bonuses to agility (IE: dodge, ect.) in combat, since they're light, and the player can move really fast in them. Not fast like in say recon-armor, like scout trooper and current marine armor, but it'd give them minor bonuses or something. This stuff would be meant for combat at all ranges, and could hold against recon and commando armor, but would be weak against the other two armors. Players in this could try to hunt down enemy snipers before they attack, since if the sniper shot at them, they might miss, giving the player time to retaliate and remove a threat to his or her team, or to prevent an enemy from scouting out their team before a fight.

Those are just suggestions, but implementing those armor types in any way would be REALLY nice. I'd like to see more continuity in SWG, even if its only with armor types,so far only the Impsseem to begetting that. Let the rebels get some cannon armor too.

/beg (again) Please?

Edit: Saw TH's post... okay, so mabey the EU armor doesn't look cool... how about whats in the movies? I think the rebel "armor" that they wore on the Tantive IV looked cool, as did the endor gear they had in ROTJ, and a lot of my friends (Rebel AND Imperial) agree with me on that. Even if its just a helmet, is it too much to ask for one piece of rebel armor that we can get somehow that looks cannon? Heck, even if imps can loot it off the vett or something and give it to rebels, it'd still be nice to have.

Message Edited by jwf on 01-21-2005 03:40 PM

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silversaber wrote:

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ShineKnuckle wrote:

I like it. It looks as if the devs took our "make it rock - paper - scissors, instead of rock - bigger rock - biggest rock" pleas very seriously. Depending on how this is implemented, it could be truly awesome. I absolutely LOVE the Rebel Assault Armor, also. Assuming there are a few palette choices, anyway -- I really want a suit of that stuff in hunter green or pitch black.

None of the rebels in the Star Wars movies wore suits of heavy armor, but it's ludicrous to assume thatthe rebels neverfielded heavily armoredforces. Nobody would go willingly intoserious combat wearing the pants and light dress uniforms that the rebels in ANH's opening sequence wore; they were security guards on a ship intended to look like a diplomat's vessel. Their helmets were the only part of the outfit which could remotely be classed as "armor", and that's pushing it. I think the 'invented' designs look suitably high tech/"Star Warsy"™, and the rebel insignia on the chestplate is a nice touch.

Message Edited by ShineKnuckle on 01-21-2005 06:26 PM

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While they look High-Tech, they dont look like anything the Rebels would wear in Starwars.

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Message Edited by ShineKnuckle on 01-21-2005 06:47 PM

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Thunderheart wrote:

There is actually no precedent for Rebel Armor in the Canon and very very little in the EU. We did quite a bit of research and none of the EU rebel armor was anywhere near as cool as the Imperial armor so we worked with LucasArts to get the new armor approved.

This new Rebel Armor is canon now

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Cmon TH.

We let you get away with this with the Hutt fighters because the Hutts were a periphrial story of Starwars and there was a remote possibility they could have existed.

But these armor sets step on every cannon toe in the game.

The old Rebel armor/uniforms may not look as cool, but they are in the Movies and are Starwars!

Im sorry but making new Rebel armor outa thin air and then calling them Cannon will NOT cut it this time.

Expect some serious protests to this in the futur.

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RagNoRock5x wrote:

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nefarious2 wrote:

Are all armor going to be craftable? or is some still planned to be recruiter only?

Does an armorsmith need to be a rebel to make rebel armor/Imperial to make imperial armor? If yes, what about the neutral AS?

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Please read all 5 pages

Or atleast all DEV posts.

All armor will be player craftable. To craft faction armor they must get a Schematic from the recruters.

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Wow these are going fast. lol

I did read all of the pages, but they don't mention if a rebel has to craft rebel armor and such. They just said it is craftable. My question is as a fighter, I get the FP and get the schematic, can anyone make it, or do they have to be that faction to make it, and if that is the case, what happens to the AS that is neutral. CAn they make either, can they not make any?

That is my question.

Did I mention that the posts are going by fast.

Wow, now if only Jedis could get something that looks as cool as rebel armor. It wouldn't need stats for the jedi (eventhough that'd be nice), but it sure would look cool.

Good job!

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Thunderheart wrote:

There is actually no precedent for Rebel Armor in the Canon and very very little in the EU. We did quite a bit of research and none of the EU rebel armor was anywhere near as cool as the Imperial armor so we worked with LucasArts to get the new armor approved.

This new Rebel Armor is canon now

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Thunderheart wrote:

There is actually no precedent for Rebel Armor in the Canon and very very little in the EU. We did quite a bit of research and none of the EU rebel armor was anywhere near as cool as the Imperial armor so we worked with LucasArts to get the new armor approved.

This new Rebel Armor is canon now

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"Official", not "canon", as Lucasfilms defines it.=)And video-games are usually viewed as being low on the official totem pole. That said...

The imperial armor designs are great. There's no faulting them. But then again, they're right out of the movies, with exception to the tweaked assault armor.

The rebel armor-- interesting designs but not exactly my cup of tea. They don't quite feel as if they've been extrapolated from the movie designs, and they almost look more advanced than the Imperial sets, which goes a little contrary to the aesthetic precedences in the movies, books, and most of the related Star Wars merchandise. I guess I had imagined rebel armor as looking a little like inferior copies of Imperial plasteel armor, with more areas exposed (a Star Wars visual tradition for Rebels), and a more streamlined and simplistic design. Maybe just a breastplate, some padding, and open helmet in the Hoth or Endor styles.

These look more like Mandalorians or something out of Halo, which is going to wear at the Star Warsy look when they become the suits of choice for most Rebel players. They almost look less Star Warsy than the original Marine armor-- which had some nice Star Wars designelements going for it, with exception to the too-bulky shoulder guards anda helmet meant for Calamarians forced upon all other races.

Here's hoping to see more Rebel attire that come directly from the movies, or extrapolations of them at least, that provide viable bonuses in dodge or counterattack,and reflect the Rebel preference to stay light and fight light. Perhaps some professions can be made to workbest unencumbered by armor, relying more on Stary Warsy uniforms.

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silversaber wrote:

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quette wrote:

Don't want to be negative, but the rebel armor is not good at all. I have to admit I like the Imperial shock trooper armor. What happened to the Endor rebel oufit, or the rebel outfit from the corvette Vader took over in Ep 4, what about Hoth rebel armor? Samurai's in SWG what is this? All the rebel armor looks like mortal kombat characters.

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You really call these few jackets and clothes armor? I'd like to see how that resists just one bolt of laser fire.

I do see your point though; but leave these cool clothes (not armor) to the tailors, how's that (no, I'm not a tailor)?

In any case, I can't wait for the first testing feedback on the new cool faction armors.

Message Edited by Landorin on 01-22-2005 12:57 AM

Why the heck don't we get the actual rebel trooper armor as seen in the movies?!
Why do the developers have to give rebels un-Star Warsy creations? Use Lucas' library, for pete's sake!

This game is set in the Star Wars Universe, so it should feel like it. Thanks to abominations like rebel faction armor it does not. This is not Everquest or another fantasy world where the developers can do what they want, this is Star Wars, dammit!

We all know the devs don't give a darn about rebels as they themselves only play imperials (just like they only play dark jedi - which is why there is no true FRS for light Jedi - they are forced to kill like they are dark Jedi to advance). You need more evidence? There are no standard rebel pilot helmets from the movies when you get your flightsuit from your pilot trainer. Imperials get their helmets from the movies.

Plus, the Devs played Dark Jedi exclusively during Jedi Revamp testing on Testcenter 2.

Why are imperials allowed to look like imperials in the movies, but rebels are never allowed to look like rebels in the movies? Answer me, Thunderfeart!

Now to your rebel armors themselves:

Rebel Reconaissance armor: The standard current rebel marine armor. This should definitely be replaced by what rebel troopers are wearing in the movies

Rebel Battle Armor: Reminds me of Yuuhzan Vong Vonduun Crab Armor. Devs, the Vong will enter the Galaxy many cenuries later, and they are not part of the Rebel Alliance! Get your Star Wars facts straight! This armor could be replaced with the armor worn by rebel troops on Hoth.

Rebel Assault Armor: Looks like modified Bounty Hunter Armor. Very unimaginative. Could be replaced by the armor the Rebels will wear on Endor.

Devs ask how to make the game more Star Warsy?! Well, it would be more Star Warsy if rebels got armor that made them look like in the movies!

Message Edited by Glzmo on 01-21-2005 04:10 PM

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ShineKnuckle wrote:

They can't please everybody. If they made the Rebel armor more like the uniforms in the movies (but with protection added), then people like me would think it's ridiculous, because armor should look like armor.

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