Force Sensitive Archive
Thread: bad news patch 21 coming tuesday
HavykOusrik
Tue Aug 02, 2005 3:30 am
#79
doomers71 wrote:
lets just make an all jedi server and ejoy ourselfs, i think we deserve it after all these years =P
Too late. Bria wins.
Hatai
Tue Aug 02, 2005 4:12 am
#80
From Norewgian-Scout :
"i refer to my self. As i said eralier in this thread i used 5 hours straight grinding yesterday, no break, to get 400 k = II box. so that is mulitplie 2 times for the last two boxes->10 hours->20 hours.
But be my guest, go use all the exploits that are in the game, just dont see how people can be "proud" of their jedi when doing that, but i dont care for what others do, i look after myself "
But be my guest, go use all the exploits that are in the game, just dont see how people can be "proud" of their jedi when doing that, but i dont care for what others do, i look after myself "
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Just wanted to point out how funny this is honestly. Of all the people saying "if you cant handle the FS grind, you cant handle the jedi grind!! grr!!" Well, learn math. 5 hours straight eh for 400k exp? THATS NUTS MAN!! But know whats a lil crazier? Spending 5 hours and getting 180kish FS exp in the same ammount of time under the new conversion rates. Takes roughly3 hours to cap out on all weapons and combat exp currently (unless you're in an elitist group, or afk grinding in which case it doesnt count). Just thought i'd bring that up. This isnt a flame or anything, but please, I'm really really tired of people saying such things, and having jedi say how longgggg it takes to grind, when FS as it stands now is approx 1/4th the speed.
.Jedi Kill : 1,000 Jedi EXP
.FS Kill : 7200 + 720 = 7920, 7920 / 30 = 264 FS EXP
Of course those are estimates, give or take a few points. Weeeeeeee....i'm gonna go pistol whip some crap now.
Norewgian-Scout
Tue Aug 02, 2005 5:07 am
#81
dont tell me to learn math mate, get your facts straight. First of i dont get 1000 xp pr kill i get 800
Jedi Kill : 800 Jedi EXP
FS Kill : 7200 + 720 = 7920, 7920 / 30 = 264 FS EXP
as you can see i still beat you at your fs xp. But you forget the most IMPORTANT part. The way jedi xp is needed for boxes, its:
200k->400k->800k->1,6mill k
Lets take the last box as an example, i need to kill 1 600 000/800=2000
Compared to FS XP: 2000*7920/30=528 000 xp, that is 1 and about 1/4 top box in fs. In the village grind you need to get 6 -SIX- of those, as jedi, around 9-10, not to mention the Master box wich is 3 200 000 mill
Its all about the branch xp needed, not what you can pull pr hour. You see that right?
People that are really fed up with the FS grind and just do it to get jedi really dont know whats in it after they complete the trials. I had no idea myself, and im struggling hard to motivate my self to grind that much 
Jedi Kill : 800 Jedi EXP
FS Kill : 7200 + 720 = 7920, 7920 / 30 = 264 FS EXP
as you can see i still beat you at your fs xp. But you forget the most IMPORTANT part. The way jedi xp is needed for boxes, its:
200k->400k->800k->1,6mill k
Lets take the last box as an example, i need to kill 1 600 000/800=2000
Compared to FS XP: 2000*7920/30=528 000 xp, that is 1 and about 1/4 top box in fs. In the village grind you need to get 6 -SIX- of those, as jedi, around 9-10, not to mention the Master box wich is 3 200 000 mill
Its all about the branch xp needed, not what you can pull pr hour. You see that right?
People that are really fed up with the FS grind and just do it to get jedi really dont know whats in it after they complete the trials. I had no idea myself, and im struggling hard to motivate my self to grind that much Message Edited by Norewgian-Scout on 08-02-2005 02:08 PM
Sirgleno
Tue Aug 02, 2005 5:07 am
#82
CaptainStormy wrote:
extended grinding time is not content.
Could not have put it better myself. I just want to get my 6 branches, get through some tough battles, and unlock my 2nd slot. Instead of "moving the goalposts" (this has become quite the popular saying lately), please tack some additional stuff on after the 2nd slot unlock and Jedihood. I hear the "trials" are a joke, and that they can be pretty easialy done in a day, not to mention a casual week. Why not make them grueling? This could reduce Jedi (well, there are already a lot, it will simply slow the rush of new Jedi), and also not put having a 2nd character out of the reach of most of us casual players.
Wrinyn
Tue Aug 02, 2005 5:47 am
#83
As was said by many so far in this thread....30:1 combat conversion is insane...I agree with changing nades to their own category, then 80% of the people won't suffer. I have been playing the game since almost the beginning and I have always solo'd. Yeah, I throw a few nades here in there after I discovered grouping. All this new conversion will do is still put jedi into the hands of pure power grinders and farther away from guys like me who enjoy playing the game for entertainment and not a second job. I have always been a big SWG fan, that's why i have yet to play any other MMORG (even with D&D online coming in november). Although the current state of affairs is hardly the space between a new hope and empire, and more like the Clone wars, I still have faith. I mean come on...I am a MBH MP who is lead by a full template jedi with 5 followers wearing clone trooper armor that is better than mine. I saw revenge of the sith and that's what this looks like now. I mean how outdated should clone armor and barc speeders be. Kind of like bringing back the old WW2 fighters into the military and have them be better than an F18.....Anyway, I am off on a tangent.......(My first response ever).....
Salvtore
Tue Aug 02, 2005 5:50 am
#84
Can anyone confirm for me that the Combat XP has actually changed? I know their is a lot of talk about it, but does anyone know for sure? Thanks.
Flibblestix
Tue Aug 02, 2005 7:16 am
#85
this entire thread is pointless, you can complain all you like but its not gonna stop it.
the whole reason why te conversion rate is being changed is TO MAKE GETTING JEDI HARDER and they will continue to make it harder because the devs know they screwed up...... royally.
they are trying to reduce the amount of jedi, because at the rate people are getting jedi within 6 months all the servers will have nothing but jedi on them then they will rename the entire game to JEDI WARS.
so i say just shut up and accept that you have your work cut out for you
thebunny0904
Tue Aug 02, 2005 7:31 am
#86
bean81782 wrote:
let's see, jedi get roughly 1000xp per kill, i get roughly 7200/30 = 240xp per kill i dont think it'll be that badand like he said, at least you guys get something as far as skills and stuff goes, i just grind day after day and what do i get to look forward to? the drive to the village
This is not quite right... Let's say that a Jedi gets roughly 1000 XP per kill (which is probably on the high end), and with the upcoming nerf, you get 7200 weapons + 720 combat = roughly 8000 / 30 = 266 FSXP per kill. The difference is that you only need 7,450,000 FS XP to finish, whereas most Jedis need around 30,000,000 XP to get full template (more if you want double mastery). 7,450,000 / 266 = roughly 28008 kills to complete FS grinding. 30000000 / 1000 = 30000 kills to complete Jedi grinding. So yes, the Jedi grind is indeed worse, even with the combat XP conversion rate change.
I do agree though that at least with the Jedi grind, you get to become stronger/gain new abilities/etc. The FS grind is pretty much just "kill 28000 bols and you're done" - no real goal in between. But it all depends on your perspective - a grind is still a grind, and the numbers alone make the Jedi grind worse.
DarkNexus1014
Tue Aug 02, 2005 8:14 am
#87
thebunny0904 wrote:
bean81782 wrote:
let's see, jedi get roughly 1000xp per kill, i get roughly 7200/30 = 240xp per kill i dont think it'll be that bad
This is not quite right... Let's say that a Jedi gets roughly 1000 XP per kill (which is probably on the high end), and with the upcoming nerf, you get 7200 weapons + 720 combat = roughly 8000 / 30 = 266 FS XP per kill. The difference is that you only need 7,450,000 FS XP to finish, whereas most Jedis need around 30,000,000 XP to get full template (more if you want double mastery). 7,450,000 / 266 = roughly 28008 kills to complete FS grinding. 30000000 / 1000 = 30000 kills to complete Jedi grinding. So yes, the Jedi grind is indeed worse, even with the combat XP conversion rate change.I do agree though that at least with the Jedi grind, you get to become stronger/gain new abilities/etc. The FS grind is pretty much just "kill 28000 bols and you're done" - no real goal in between. But it all depends on your perspective - a grind is still a grind, and the numbers alone make the Jedi grind worse.
Don't forget that Jedi don't have to fly to Dathomir and drive out into the middle of nowhere constantly. Most Jedi group with OTHER Jedi, so they usually have training on the spot.
DarkNexus1014
Tue Aug 02, 2005 8:18 am
#88
Flibblestix wrote:this entire thread is pointless, you can complain all you like but its not gonna stop it.
the whole reason why te conversion rate is being changed is TO MAKE GETTING JEDI HARDER and they will continue to make it harder because the devs know they screwed up...... royally.
they are trying to reduce the amount of jedi, because at the rate people are getting jedi within 6 months all the servers will have nothing but jedi on them then they will rename the entire game to JEDI WARS.
so i say just shut up and accept that you have your work cut out for you
Making Jedi more difficult to get won't help anything. It's not like any of the Jedi will quit because the FS grind is too difficult.
No, the devs need to make BEING Jedi a lot more difficult, not getting Jedi.
quitch
Tue Aug 02, 2005 8:30 am
#90
Norewgian-Scout wrote:
JaxMeridian wrote:
Uh, any of you guys been to the village today?
Done any XP exchanges?
Guess what...
It's already IN LIVE. They snuck it in on us. And it ALL Weapons XP. Not just combat. Either that or I'm bugged.
Rifles? 30/1
Carbines? 30/1
Pistols? 30/1
All of em.
lmao, what kind of n00b are you? wpn has always been 30:1
jax you are lying you didnt know all weapons were 30:1, and i can also tell by your registration date and your sig, novice bh, carbs, rifles. that is a noob for you
Sneev
Tue Aug 02, 2005 9:56 am
#91
just quit, the "nerf" you get is nothing compared to grinding jedi. If you cant handle this you will never handle the jedi grind.
Luckily I couldn't give a rat's butt for getting Jedi. I want the alt. I *might* have been interested in Jedi if it weren't so FOTM, or if there was something interesting to do besides PvP, but there isn't anything that is going to last me that I can see, and quite frankly the people I see who are heavy PvPers are exactly the people I don't want to spend any time with in game or out. Most are utter morons.
So I just want to get through this FS BS and get an alt slot. My main will go back to being a crafter and put the Jedi silliness behind him - besides its illegal and he is a loyal citizen of the Empire. My new alt will go on to do something interesting if I can find it, perhaps Ranger/CH or something.
Someday SOE will realize that although Jedi is their cash-cow that sells the game to new players, its the rest of the professions that are going to ensure the game survives. If we get reduced to nothing but 12yr old Jedi waving their epeens around in Theed, Coronet, and the Mining Colony, the game is dead and gone because everything interesting will have been bled out of it