Force Sensitive Archive

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DureenaBadKarma wrote:

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Cebre_Opasloa wrote:

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DureenaBadKarma wrote:

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DureenaBadKarma wrote:

And to add to XrioT, glad I caught how you feel. I know because I finished my FS grind on Monday.. on Wednesday they cut xp by 10 in the great Pub 22 nightmare! Can you imagine how I felt as I logged in having played for 8 months to unlock and within 2 days of clutching my LS was told it will now take over a year, doing nothing but grinding 5 hours a day, 7 days a week, to get to even my half jedi/hybrid template complete! I was lucky as they changed it back.

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But it didn't get multiplied by 10. Not even by 2...

30k of any type of weapons XP gave 1k of FS xp + 1K for the combat XP that came with the weapons XP. Now it gives 1k of FS XP + 100 XP for the combat XP.

2000 XPbecame 1100XP

Even your 1-2 months you took to get it done becomes only 2-4 months now. It is NOT over a year, period. It's ONLY the Combat XP conversion that changed, not regular weaponsXP conversion. If it had changed to 300:1 THEN it would be 10 times as long.

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/sigh

Do the big red letters indicate the words you once again failed to read clearly enough?!!!!!!

Pub 22 xp change split the total xp of a group by the number of people in it. The "effective" change of this was to cut individual xp by a factor of about 10. I used to get 250-300k and hour, in testing after the change I then got 25-30k an hour when they made the change.

The change in FS xp DIDN'T EFFECT ME!!! Sheesh! If you tried reading the words and comprehending what I wrote without just trying to flame every word indifferently to what I put you might not come off as a complete idiot? Just a thought!

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Then perhaps it was your group, or perhaps you could solo to get that kind of XP.

If I really grind hard I too could get 250k per hour even with the group nerf xp system, by NOT grouping.

Or take into account the fact that in a group you get more spawns per lair than solo, and killing each spawn is faster in a group than solo. If you were only getting 25k-30k per hour, then that may have more to do with your skills and the skills of your group than what the Devs did. That being said, it WAS changed back, so why are you still moaning about it?

Publish 22 only affected group XP, but who forced you to group? There's plenty of stuff to kill that doesn't require grouping.

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DureenaBadKarma wrote:

Ok Cebre, this is my last post on this.. your lack of understanding of the English language and/or ability to readis frankly astounding so I'll try and keep it simple.

1. Jedi xp is 1/6 of normal xp, so you getting 250k an hour with the group nerf means nothing to this conversation

2. When (or IF) you get to Jedi Paddy you will realise that with a saber that does 65 damage every 3 seconds, no healing as using medic "steals" all your jedi xp and about +20 acc, you will be able to solo very little if anything at all. A group is essential and as it happen I spent 4 hours trying various mixes of profs, group size etcto maximise xp which at the 1/6 ratio pretty much comes out the same as you got!

3. I'M NOT MOANING! Read my post for goodness sake! I KNOW IT WAS CHANGED BACK! I'm very pleased it was.I was explaining how I felt for those 2 days it was in effect and so how people who've got the 30:1 part way through their grind feel.

I'm outta here, but a final word of advice, if you spend your life attacking what you think people say rather than WHAT they actually say, eventually someone is going to take offence and probably take things farther than you will be happy with.

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Got a Paddy, and ground up boxes solo quite readily. Never even been on the terms...

A group is essential? For you perhaps...

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SaiMad wrote:

well guess what? 1. you don't even know me - 2. when you don't know someone, don't judge him/her - 3. I've played this game for 2 years, so you can't tell me anything. near cu? rofl, i was here like a month after the game came out, ok? and before it was profession grinding(holo grinding, last one was silent), which was easier than the village, ESPECIALLY now.. and i told you i'm not whining, I'm going to get jedi no matter what. just don't judge me anymore, you don't even know me pal..

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But then why are you defending the "30:1 combat xp garbage is my GAMEBREAKER" position?

If it's actually game-breaking, you'd be quitting the grind because of it.

If you're determined to get Jedi no matter what, then the 30:1 is gamebending perhaps, but not game-breaking.

And in that, you and I agree on that issue.

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quitch wrote:

im doing the grind, 2.5 mil left, and im glad they changed it to 30:1. you arent right - not everyone agree with you.

i can tell you came here after or near the CU, and didnt do much grinding before. before, it was a slower grind, but after the CU with 3:1 was too easy

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You do make a good point quitch. Gaining XP is a bit faster than pre-CU now, although this village XP change is not quite 1:1 with the speed at which XP is attained now.

Pre-CU I could solo lairs, just putting on spin attack and watching all the enemies drop over and over. This got me maxed out on XP in 1 branch in a little over an hour. Post-CU I group up, and assuming the group is moving at premium speed, I can max out 1 branch in a little under an hour.

So if it takes me 45 minutes to max out XP on 1 branch now, and it took me 1 hour and 15 minutes before, in my case it's:

Pre-CU:1:15 minutes x 3 branches = 225 minutes
Post-CU:45 minutes x 3 branches = 135 minutes

Now onto whatI would have cashed in at the village

Sucks for those that wanted Jedi fast, but I'll bow out of the discussion at least knowing I can still get my unlock on-schedule in December of 2007!

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JerrelC830 wrote:

Well for me, SWG was a great game while it lasted. Everyone is relieved about the group xp situation that the devs changed back, but for me, it doesnt make a difference because I basically stopped logging on after the combat xp nerf. Like some guy on this forum said, they probably just did the group xp nerf to make everyone forget about the 30:1 change. He referred to it as "pulling the wool over our eyes" and I could'nt agree more with him. The only goal that was worthwhile for me, and what brought me to the game was obtaining jedi. Sure I had to get rifleman and carbineer, but that was just to prepare for the FS grind. I had just started my FS grind that I thought was already too long when this wonderful pubish came. Boy was I pissed. What were the devs thinking? Ok, so the jedi population doesn't fit the timeline, big whoop. Theres already many, many, jedi, theres no point of slowing down the population now. And I know the whole thing about the grenades but i guess nerfing the grenade xp just made too much sense to do. Maybe screwing over legitimate grinders was just a great idea at the time. Making a game 2x longer and even more boring is not the way to go, especially when jedi is the main attraction for new players.

I would like to thank the developers for basically stealing my money and ruining an awesome game.

Needless to say, I will be cancelling my account sometime this month.

Thank you for taking the time for reading this angry former SWG player's rant.

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Have you tried anything else in the game apart from grinding?

There are a million things to do, grind occasionally and do other things when you get bored, rome wasn't built in day you know

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XrioT wrote:

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quitch wrote:

im doing the grind, 2.5 mil left, and im glad they changed it to 30:1. you arent right - not everyone agree with you.

i can tell you came here after or near the CU, and didnt do much grinding before. before, it was a slower grind, but after the CU with 3:1 was too easy

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You do make a good point quitch. Gaining XP is a bit faster than pre-CU now, although this village XP change is not quite 1:1 with the speed at which XP is attained now.

Pre-CU I could solo lairs, just putting on spin attack and watching all the enemies drop over and over. This got me maxed out on XP in 1 branch in a little over an hour. Post-CU I group up, and assuming the group is moving at premium speed, I can max out 1 branch in a little under an hour.

So if it takes me 45 minutes to max out XP on 1 branch now, and it took me 1 hour and 15 minutes before, in my case it's:

Pre-CU:1:15 minutes x 3 branches = 225 minutes
Post-CU:45 minutes x 3 branches = 135 minutes

Now onto whatI would have cashed in at the village

Pre-CU: 3 branches x 900,000 (max pre-cu) = 2,700,000 XP + 300,000 Combat XP (I don't remembercappre-cu)

Post-CU: 3 branches x 1,200,000 = 3,600,000 XP + 300,000 Combat XP

Pre-CU FS XP Converted

90,000 + 100,000 = 190,000

Post-CU FS XP Converted

120,000 + 10,000 = 130,000

Now the conclusion:

Pre-CU FS XP per grind minute: 190,000/225 = 844.44 XP/min

Post-CU FS XP per grind minute: 130,000/135 = 962.96 XP/min

Now this is assuming the cap on combat XP was 300k pre-CU. I don't remember so maybe someone can refresh my memory. But you can see that even with the combat xp ratio being reduced to 30:1 we are able to grind more FS XP post-CU then we could pre-CU.

Now just for fun lets see what people had gotten used to before this change.

Post-CU with 3:1 ration FS XP Converted

120,000 + 100,000 = 220,000

Post-CU with the 3:1 Combat XP ratio FS XP per grind minute was....

*drum roll please*

1629.62 XP/min !!!

Sucks for those that wanted Jedi fast, but I'll bow out of the discussion at least knowing I can still get my unlock on-schedule in December of 2007!

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An analysis with hard figures... NICE! And it bears out what I've been saying that it's not even twice as long let alone ten times as long as some are saying...

Now not being a Commando, I'm under the impression that Grenades gives you ONLY Combat XP. So in that case it would be 10 times as long, right?

Wrong.

Commando's can always use weapons other than grenades, their acid rifle and flamethrower come to mind. And that's not even counting any other weapon not certified to a particular profession, like Advanced Laser Rifles, etc.

When the CU hit many professions had to learn new tactics, like the TKs who weren't the damage dealing gods they were before. They had to adjust. The "naders" who insist on using an outmoded grinding method now have to adjust their tactics. This change in conversion should not be gamebreaking to anyone who isn't so intransigent that they can't change. And for those people, perhaps anothergame would be better. Change is an inevitable part of MMOs, like it or not.

I suspect however that the number of people who actually find this change a gamebreaker and quit will be far far less than the number of people who will claim it is gamebreaking on these forums. Most of them will probably moan and complain, and keep playing anyway proving the change is only game-bending.