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Thread: This 30:1 combat xp garbage is my gamebreaker
I have to agree to a point I am really not happy at all with the nerf on xp for the simple act that ome days when I do play I am not always in a group setting and SOE failed to realize that hurting the xp for someone that is solo is a bad move.
I sometimes do not have time to join groups because I normally not on long enough to be of any help to them so I run around solo trying to finish up what I can here and there now with the 1xp for any mob I kill it seems kind of pointless to even play.
It would literally take me a year to try and lvl anything relating to combat with 1xp.
Sorry to say I should have not come back to this game after I left because SOE is doing the same thing they did when they game first released.
Everytime they try to fix one thing they break or destroy three other things in its place, this game needed alot of work when it was still in beta and to this day still needs alot of work.
Yeah but he did that without anyone to teach him, completely on his own. The game has an established jedi presence and plenty of trainers...
However Jedi in the movies and book also started as children, never as fully grown masters of two professions who suddenly decided to convert.
Can't really compare the path of a jedi in the movies/books to the games...
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On the contrary: he started with Kenobi, and a few years later hooked up with Yoda. In the interim he leaned what he could, true but the end result was he hooked up with all kinds of sources of information along the way.
Comparing the movies and the game was to show the _time_ involved in getting a jedi in SWG and becoming a jedi according to the movies (and if you like: novels).
SiliconBandit wrote:
One very fine day, about a month ago..i was reading one of the star wars novels that had all our favorite characters in it.
Naturally, having finished an FS grind not long earlier I had all that good SW:G jedi trainNgrind in my thoughts.
In the book it mentioned ol'Luke reminiscing with someone his training on dagobah and at some point I ended up thinking about the span of time that had passed in the books timeline.
Whaddya you know? It tooks him a couple of years to get to where he was and here we are, setting up jedi in something shy of 5 months, spending a few weeks running some initiate quests (maybe more, maybe less im not sure how it takes to go from unlock initiate to paddy status) and then spending a few more months cranking out that hot new template.
All time added up: what? less than 9 months? a year at worst for a character that could mop the floor with vader, maul, palpatine, tyrranous, luke and all their various and assorted merrymen and cohorts.
Either way, it's a poor arguement, this is a game and things like training time should relate to time people have to play a game, not our RL perceptions of a fantasy (or even a real) world.
Message Edited by DureenaBadKarma on 08-25-2005 05:18 PM
DureenaBadKarma wrote:
SiliconBandit wrote:
One very fine day, about a month ago..i was reading one of the star wars novels that had all our favorite characters in it.
Naturally, having finished an FS grind not long earlier I had all that good SW:G jedi trainNgrind in my thoughts.
In the book it mentioned ol'Luke reminiscing with someone his training on dagobah and at some point I ended up thinking about the span of time that had passed in the books timeline.
Whaddya you know? It tooks him a couple of years to get to where he was and here we are, setting up jedi in something shy of 5 months, spending a few weeks running some initiate quests (maybe more, maybe less im not sure how it takes to go from unlock initiate to paddy status) and then spending a few more months cranking out that hot new template.
All time added up: what? less than 9 months? a year at worst for a character that could mop the floor with vader, maul, palpatine, tyrranous, luke and all their various and assorted merrymen and cohorts.
Ummm, if you want to talk timescale.. shift-ctrl-g is not your friend!
1 hour in Realtime is 12 hours in SWG time.. so 2 years for jedi = 2 months I'm afraid!
Either way, it's a poor arguement, this is a game and things like training time should relate to time people have to play a game, not our RL perceptions of a fantasy (or even a real) world.
And to add to XrioT, glad I caught how you feel. I know because I finished my FS grind on Monday.. on Wednesday they cut xp by 10 in the great Pub 22 nightmare! Can you imagine how I felt as I logged in having played for 8 months to unlock and within 2 days of clutching my LS was told it will now take over a year, doing nothing but grinding 5 hours a day, 7 days a week, to get to even my half jedi/hybrid template complete! I was lucky as they changed it back.
I hope they find a compromise that allows you to finish, as this moving of goals after people have already started is nothing less than demoralising and I would think grounds to quit for quite a few players. And the arrogant "if you don't like it quit brigade" are nothing but trolls. They'd be crying to their mothers if any change effected them, it's just in their selfishness they can stand and gloat over this one. Karma will see to them soon I suspect
Message Edited by DureenaBadKarma on 08-25-2005 05:18 PM
Now there's hyperbole for you.
The change does affect me. I'm not crying about it. My second character went glowy about a month after the CU and has unlocked about 3 quests so far. She has ONE non-novice FS Box trained. So it's gonna take twice as long.... Whatever. It takes as long as it takes. If you can't hack it, then the Devs have successfully made progress in checking Jedi numbers without introducing hard caps on numbers. Would you rather they did that? Then you'd never get one, period, because you didn't luck out in getting one earlier. At least now you still can.
And saying that your 2 days left of grinding is now a YEAR is the ultimate hyperbole. And pile of crap. They reduced the comversion rate of Combat XP by a factor of 10. Even if ALL the XP you traded in was Combat XP, that turns 2 days into 20, not into well over 200. Your 2 days left has become less than 3 weeks left. And this is a huge deal?
Under the new system, 30k of Weapons XP grinding trades in at 1100 FS XP as opposed to the 2000 it did before they changed the combat XP rate.
Your 2 days left to clutching your LS is now not even 20 days, but 4. And this is a huge deal?
SaiMad wrote:
This combat ratio thing does not make sense to me, at all. Due to the fact that grenades granted more xp than they should, the type of xp which is TEN times as hard to get as regular xp, has to be nerfed to 30:1 (combat). I mean, I understand that they are trying to control the jedi population, but, what is THIS? I'm not whining, I will keep going until I get jedi, (no, I'm not a new player whojust wants to go forJedi, I played this game for 2years, this is just anotherUNINTELLIGENT nerf) butwhen you are nerfing the game, nerf and make sense. 30:1 combat ratio should be 3:1 because it's ten times as hard to get. How would you mess up the Commando profession when you nerf grenadesif youcould just go along with heavy weapons and earn your combat xp just like any other profession? I didn't want Jedi when I first started playing because, I was too interested in other aspects of the game. Devs it's your own fault that you have so many people going for Jedi, becoming force sensitive these days is WAY too easy, that doesn't mean that you have to make the grind 10 times as hard as it should. Yes, you have justmade this grind TEN times as hard.. TEN... think about it, you're the devs..... and oh yeah... talking about not attracting new players to jedi, look at the upcoming expansion.. ROFL.... "THE TRIALS OF OBI-WAN" that's going to attract another zillion newbs crying to get a saber in their hand.... why won't you come up with something like, YOU CANNOT GET JEDI UNLESS YOU'RE A SIX MONTH OLD PLAYER.... thank you
Since you get combat xp automatically using other weapons, it's not hard to get at all...
The Devs always said they would not artificially control the number of Jedi. All they are doing now is making it enough of a pain in the rear to discourage more and more people from doing it. That helps to control numbers without them setting a cap of any kind. If you REALLY want a Jedi, relax and get your xp. If it's too hard for you, then they've been successful.
Who ever said you had to use grenades? There ARE other Commando weapons... and other weapons period.
Improvise, adapt, and overcome.
Reading the words I type stop you looking stupid, might wanna try it?
DureenaBadKarma wrote:
And to add to XrioT, glad I caught how you feel. I know because I finished my FS grind on Monday.. on Wednesday they cut xp by 10 in the great Pub 22 nightmare! Can you imagine how I felt as I logged in having played for 8 months to unlock and within 2 days of clutching my LS was told it will now take over a year, doing nothing but grinding 5 hours a day, 7 days a week, to get to even my half jedi/hybrid template complete! I was lucky as they changed it back.
And saying that your 2 days left of grinding is now a YEAR is the ultimate hyperbole. And pile of crap. They reduced the comversion rate of Combat XP by a factor of 10. Even if ALL the XP you traded in was Combat XP, that turns 2 days into 20, not into well over 200. Your 2 days left has become less than 3 weeks left. And this is a huge deal?
Your 2 days left to clutching your LS is now not even 20 days, but 4. And this is a huge deal?
DureenaBadKarma wrote:
Reading the words I type stop you looking stupid, might wanna try it?
DureenaBadKarma wrote:
And to add to XrioT, glad I caught how you feel. I know because I finished my FS grind on Monday.. on Wednesday they cut xp by 10 in the great Pub 22 nightmare! Can you imagine how I felt as I logged in having played for 8 months to unlock and within 2 days of clutching my LS was told it will now take over a year, doing nothing but grinding 5 hours a day, 7 days a week, to get to even my half jedi/hybrid template complete! I was lucky as they changed it back.
And saying that your 2 days left of grinding is now a YEAR is the ultimate hyperbole. And pile of crap. They reduced the comversion rate of Combat XP by a factor of 10. Even if ALL the XP you traded in was Combat XP, that turns 2 days into 20, not into well over 200. Your 2 days left has become less than 3 weeks left. And this is a huge deal?
Your 2 days left to clutching your LS is now not even 20 days, but 4. And this is a huge deal?
I FINISHED MY FS GRIND! 2 days later (so I was about to start grinding my jedi xp) Pub 22 came in, making my1-2 months to get my Jedi template donebecame multiplied by 10... to over a year. Do you see now?
The fact that you don't mind SOE changing stuff as you go along is fine.. but a lot of people do.
But it didn't get multiplied by 10. Not even by 2...
30k of any type of weapons XP gave 1k of FS xp + 1K for the combat XP that came with the weapons XP. Now it gives 1k of FS XP + 100 XP for the combat XP.
2000 XPbecame 1100XP
Even your 1-2 months you took to get it done becomes only 2-4 months now. It is NOT over a year, period. It's ONLY the Combat XP conversion that changed, not regular weaponsXP conversion. If it had changed to 300:1 THEN it would be 10 times as long.
And as for stuff changing as we go along, "Game experience may change during play" is part of the EULA, and ongoing changes are part of any MMORPG. If you don't want things changing, don't play MMOs... Moaning about the fact that MMOs change all the time is like moaning about the fact your dog doesn't speak English. That's the way these things are.
JerrelC830 wrote:
Well for me, SWG was a great game while it lasted. Everyoneis relieved about the group xpsituation that the devs changed back, but for me, it doesntmake a difference because I basically stopped logging on after the combat xp nerf.Likesomeguy on this forum said,they probably just did the groupxp nerf to make everyone forget about the 30:1 change. He referred to it as "pulling the wool over oureyes" andI could'nt agree more with him.The only goal that was worthwhile for me, and what brought me to the gamewas obtaining jedi. SureI had to get rifleman and carbineer, but that wasjust to prepare for the FSgrind.I had just startedmyFS grind that I thought was already too long when this wonderfulpubish came. Boy wasI pissed.What were the devs thinking? Ok, so the jedi population doesn't fit the timeline, big whoop. Theresalready many, many,jedi, theres no point of slowing down the population now.And I know the whole thing about the grenades buti guess nerfingthe grenade xp just made too much sense to do.Maybe screwing over legitimate grinders was just a great idea at the time.Making a game 2x longer and even moreboring is not the way to go, especially when jedi is the main attraction for new players.
I would like to thank the developers forbasically stealing my money and ruining an awesome game.
Needless to say, I will be cancelling my account sometime this month.
Thank you for taking the time for reading this angry former SWG player's rant.
if you are whining about such a long grind , maybe you arent cut out to be a jedi because guess what ? , the grind once you get jedi is a heck of a lot longer than the grind your doing now and i am grinding for FS and my template gets me there just fine so stop your whining and play the bloody game
Cebre_Opasloa wrote:
DureenaBadKarma wrote:
DureenaBadKarma wrote:
And to add to XrioT, glad I caught how you feel. I know because I finished my FS grind on Monday.. on Wednesday they cut xp by 10 in the great Pub 22 nightmare! Can you imagine how I felt as I logged in having played for 8 months to unlock and within 2 days of clutching my LS was told it will now take over a year, doing nothing but grinding 5 hours a day, 7 days a week, to get to even my half jedi/hybrid template complete! I was lucky as they changed it back.
But it didn't get multiplied by 10. Not even by 2...
30k of any type of weapons XP gave 1k of FS xp + 1K for the combat XP that came with the weapons XP. Now it gives 1k of FS XP + 100 XP for the combat XP.
2000 XPbecame 1100XP
Even your 1-2 months you took to get it done becomes only 2-4 months now. It is NOT over a year, period. It's ONLY the Combat XP conversion that changed, not regular weaponsXP conversion. If it had changed to 300:1 THEN it would be 10 times as long.