Force Sensitive Archive

Hey Jakber. It was nice how you took my comments out of context in some innane desire to make yourself right and just. However, you did not address ANY of my points. All you did was look at one of my possibilities and make a comment that did not adress where the option came from.

It is by this fact that you prove that you really don't care to answer specifics, instead, you want to involve yourself in some kind of verbal exchange at a level far below the tone of my question. Therefore, I ask again:

Why is it, that on other games SOE produces, you can have multiple characters on a single server, yet not on SWG?

And I answer: There is no reason based in reality other than money, their money that they are trying to exploit from us.

As for you Acip, get a grip on reality. Some of us have what is called a budget. We parcel our money out to things we like to do. To imply that I can't afford another account because I need welfare is an insult. My response being that you have the maturity of a 10 year old. So stick you depreciating comments where the sun don't shine and don't aim them at me again.

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Why is it, that on other games SOE produces, you can have multiple characters on a single server, yet not on SWG?

And I answer: There is no reason based in reality other than money, their money that they are trying to exploit from us.

I can neither agree or disagree with your answer because I do not work for SOE. But I can ask with what evidence/documentation did you come up with your assumption.

I do apologize if you were offended but I stand by my original post.

Message Edited by Jakber on 08-24-2005 12:18 PM

Well Jakber, how about personal experience?

I have played many different MMORPGs including but not limited to EQ and EQ2. Both of these are SOE products. In EQ, you could have up to 8 (if memory serves) characters on each server. In EQ2 you can have a total of six characters if you don't have station access, 8 with station access, with no limit on the server choice.

As for the whole gimped thingy. That did kind of push my button as my direction there was to point out the fact that on other MMOs, especially those with working economies, crafting did not detract from your ability to gain proficiency in combat except for the time factor (you only have so much play time and if you spend it crafting you can't work on combat). When I said the option was a gimped CL54ish character, what I meant was that CL54s are gimped in the end game. It doesn't mean you don't have things you can do, but you are limited, even if you have logged millions of hours to your character. There are characters with CL75+ that can get to the end game, but at CL54ish, you never can.

This area is the middle game. The middle game is usually the area that suffers the most from content problems. The reasons for this are simple to determine and based on economics. It is vitally important that new players continue to play, thus, early game must have content to satisfy new players. It is also important that high end characters have reasons to continue playing including, primarily, high end specific content. Thus, high end or end game players get second or first attention. If you are inmid game, however, it is erroneously thought that you are simply transitioning to the end game and looking toward the promise of that end game. But with the crafting/artisan setup on SWG, that is blatantly not true.

Therefore, CL54ish characters, or CL66 which is the max I could push to while maintaining a single artisan elite mastery, is gimped because they cannot get to one of the two types of content available to gamers.

This is important to folks like me, a casual gamer with a RL and family that requires a measure of my attention. I play when I can and I have other hobbies as well. But I like MMOs, so, one factor in looking at them is consistent content across all aspects of the game. This area is the one area where SWG is glaringly lacking. The variety of options is awesome. The skill tree idea is awesome. The combat portions of the game are awesome, regardless of the complaints I have heard. Heck, I don't even mind the fact that my Smuggler can't smuggle. My Smuggler can do other things. What I don't like is the fact that, if I decide to craft, I have to dedicate my one character for the server to crafting, or gimp my character as either a crafter or a combatant by playing that character at less than their full potential in one or the other.

I know that this has rambled on, but this is my pet peeve regarding SWG. I would craft, but I don't want to dedicate a character to it since I only have one per server.

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Treemorr wrote:

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Cebre_Opasloa wrote:

Just what is the big deal about having to go through the Padawan trials?

They take a few hours to complete, can be soloed with a few exceptions by even a level 20ish character, and Novice Padawan by itself takes ZERO skill points.

Just go through the trials, get a little help where necessary, get your Novice Padawan, and don't climb up any Jedi skills if you don't want a Jedi per se. Leave the lightsaber and robes in your safety deposit box even...

After all the grinding you have to do just to get to begin the Padawan trials, why moan about a few scant hours of quests on top of it?

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Don't think anyone was moaning about the Padawan Trials, just having to do the village with all its grindingand not being able to get one before 18 months at least

I've got 5 branches of FS I want anyway, the crafting mastery lines and the survey line, just chose ranged defense as the 6th, so got the skill points for it. Although you've just reminded me its going to be even tougher as to get that far, I'm going to have to drop my skills that get me CL 7, so will be doing the trials as a CL 1 !!

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Then maybe you didn't read the thread sir... Here's the beginning of the original post.

Sounds like they're unhappy about being "forced" to go through the Padawan Trials to me.

The one character per server deal keeps one person from becoming entirely self sufficient.

Imagine having the ability to make your own speeders, make your own harvesters, make your own weapons, make your own armor, make your own food, etc, with all of your alts. You would never need to interact with anyone else on the server, essentially defeating the purpose of this being a MULTIPLAYER game.

SOE is not trying to steal your money... which brings me to another point: It costs money to maintain servers, pay salaries, bills, etc. SOE is a business trying to make money, but it takes money to make money. If we don't pay them, they can't host the game. So please stop crying about the big bad evil SOE exploiting your money out of your bank accounts... if $14 per month is too much for you... find a new profession because that's a poor excuse. I make less then 40k a year and live in the bay area (one of the most expensive places to live in california, usa), and I am able to afford (easily) 2 accounts, as well as living on my own and all of life's many expenses.

It has already been explained why the second character slot has been tied to the Jedi profession, if you didn't notice it, read back a few posts.

If you want to play another character without paying for another account, just pick another server and make some new friends.

Cebre_Opasloa wrote
Sounds like they're unhappy about being "forced" to go through the Padawan Trials to me.

Huh. I got too sidetracked to notice that.

Aren't the padawan trials the easiest trail on the path?

Message Edited by Dazzydoodle on 08-25-2005 10:19 AM

I read it as meant through to the Padawan Trials from getting glowy etc

ALso from the sounds of it he doesn't want the FS skills if he wants to give up the 24 skill points.

That kind of makes sense I read between the lines!

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Treemorr wrote:

I read it as meant through to the Padawan Trials from getting glowy etc

ALso from the sounds of it he doesn't want the FS skills if he wants to give up the 24 skill points.

That kind of makes sense I read between the lines!

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exactly.

I dont want to have to have anything to do with jedi, but i have to in order to unlock a 2nd char slot.

I'd rather have the ability to give up all my FS skills if i could andgetthe 24 points back as long as i could keep my 2nd character with out gimping up my main.

Mainly because its not worth the 24 points you have to spend in FS in order to get to the padiwan trials.

The trials itself means nothing to me, other than haveing to do themin order tounlocksince im never going jedi with my main character.

I ground out just as much exp as any other person to get to the trials and since i dont really want jedi, im stuck with a gimped up character.

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Dragotha wrote:

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Treemorr wrote:

I read it as meant through to the Padawan Trials from getting glowy etc

ALso from the sounds of it he doesn't want the FS skills if he wants to give up the 24 skill points.

That kind of makes sense I read between the lines!

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exactly.

I dont want to have to have anything to do with jedi, but i have to in order to unlock a 2nd char slot.

I'd rather have the ability to give up all my FS skills if i could andgetthe 24 points back as long as i could keep my 2nd character with out gimping up my main.

Mainly because its not worth the 24 points you have to spend in FS in order to get to the padiwan trials.

The trials itself means nothing to me, other than haveing to do themin order tounlocksince im never going jedi with my main character.

I ground out just as much exp as any other person to get to the trials and since i dont really want jedi, im stuck with a gimped up character.

and as for you people who seem to think that everyone can afford 2 accts just like you can...

Let me explain something to you all who think that. IM NOT YOU! (thank god),

And Im not going to change my proffession just so i can pay for 2 accts.

For some of us money doesnt just grow on tree's or mommy and daddy arnt paying for our bills, We actually have to WORK for our money. Many of us have other bills that takes most of our earnings and sometimes we even want to put money into savings and our retirement funds,we do whatscalled a budget. its where you set aside money for specific things. Paying for a 2nd acct just for a 2nd char means that something else doesnt get paid.

And with gas prices at an all time high, its getting harder and harder to even afford ONE acct, let alone going out and have fun once in a while irl.

Dragotha

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Gimped up character? That actually depends on your template and what you trained up in.

My Jedi is hardly gimped up at a CL 5.

He is a Force Sensitive Master Crafter / Master Artisan / Master Shipwright / Master Weaponsmith.

And those FS skills come in REALLY handy when crafting stuff, especially as a 12 pt Weaponsmith, let me tell ya. I've bought half decent weapons before only to be able now to craft weapons with far better stats across the board and up to 50% better DPS included. My main character loves his FS skills and they make him a far superior character.

If your character is gimped, then it's what you trained in that gimped him, not the skills themselves.

unlocking jedi is hard and time consuming the reward is a second slot to play on a normal character instead of always being a jedi.

Bad publicity to have a Bounty Hunter as your main character, especially if you same faction hunt. . . . Not to mention 1 character can't heave 32 professiosn at once

Message Edited by Dragotha on 08-27-2005 12:38 AM

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Dark-Pheonix wrote:
unlocking jedi is hard and time consuming the reward is a second slot to play on a normal character instead of always being a jedi.

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But what about those of us who went through the EXACT same thing to get a 2nd character, as a person who WANTS to be jedi.

Dragotha