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Thread: Casual Gamers = No Jedi
bah....isnt worth it...there's nothing like the self-righteous, they'd never see the light in front of their eyes.... their blinders are put on by choices...
Message Edited by Ekul05 on 08-10-2005 04:51 PM
Ekul05 wrote:
bah....isnt worth it...there's nothing like the self-righteous, they'd never see the light in front of their eyes.... their blinders are put on by choices...
Message Edited by Ekul05 on 08-10-2005 04:51 PM
Chris92056 wrote:
Well said IIjin...
Anyone whosays "people that attain JEDI have nolives or are power grinders" are (in my opinion) misinformed.
If you chose to spend your time with your kids/ at a park/ watching Tv/ whatever.......kudos to you. Now live with that decision and stop crying.
I also have a child/wife/ self owned business.... I would grind after I put my daughter to bed. I took full advantage of the x2 weeks to grind. Hell, I even called a buddy and missed a full nights rest to do than friggen phase three village quest. My point is if you really want JEDI...then do it....dont cry about it.
SOE has done ENOUGH. It's not their fault you didsomething else with your time.
You need to start asking yourself...... "Do I really want this?"
The answer maybe no.
well i am a casual gamer.. and i got it. but i got it after 2 years.
Not jedi yet, but got all my xp banked (thanks to double xp, and serious grinding), and just have to do 3 more quest.. and then the trials.
gotslapped wrote:
I'm curious. When you purchase somethingat the store do you leave it at the register, and tell the cashier that you will come back to pick up what you justpaid for in a few months after you "work" for it? Do you personally feelselfish when you do pick (or use) the product that you purchased? After you purchase the product (s), do you defer to the other people in the check-out lanes for their consent - for you to acquire the item that you just purchased?
I just want to understand your line of thinking. Are you saying that a consumer that purchases a (specifically tailored marketing) product shouldnot be obligated to a timely delivery of that product?
please explain this example using your logic.
I'm a Maser Squad Leader / MBH. i'm a guild councilor, a PvE Leader, a Helper, have a second account to help kill bases, a pilot in Storm Squadron and the RSF. my time online, while probably exceeds 15 hours per week, is very full. i purchased the digital download of RotW and TTE for my second account but have not yet set one foot of either character on Kash nor have i done any of the RotW quests. i've only competed on two swoop tracks. i'm so far behind what i want to accomplish that i've made a To Do list. Aside from completing Jabba's Themepark and Imperial Themepark, the collection of POI badges which i guess include requirements for glowy, and killing that spider thing at the bottom of the Spider Clan while on a guild event, I'm not on the path to glowy.
Did you and I purchase the same game? do we pay the same amount of money to play this game? why am i entitled to a Jedi character after X number of months when i'm not looking to go and achieve it in that same time span?others that have come before me had to drop everything to get the necessary badges and grind out FS xp. so will it be for me, and with those that come after me.
Just because i bought the game does not entitle me to ALL content merely because its part of the game. it would be the same thing as saying "well, i bought this and now i want to be a Shipwright / Weaponsmith / Merchant, but dont want to give up my existing template(s)" If i want to build and sell ship parts or weapons, i have to actively go out and achieve those professions, while sacrificing something else of my game time or experience. its a privilige to craft weapons and ship components, not a right; same thing with being a Jedi.
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guess your vision of a JEDI knight is someone who locks themselves in a room, ignores everyone else and cares only about their personal achievements. Isn't a JEDI supposed to think of others with no consideration for themselves? How can you first rebutt the statement that people who attain JEDI have no lives, and then in the very next sentence state that if you want to spend time with your kids, or doing things other than the game shouldn't expect to become a JEDI, that they have noone to blame but themselves? Can't you see hte contradiction in that statement? And for the record I think your correct in your first statement there that it's ridiculous for someone to say that jedi's have no lives. But your next sentence is even worse.
This isn't necessarily a potshot at you, but it's more of a defense in favor of the people your attacking. Should the playing field be completely even for a guy who can play 10 hours a week and one who can play ten hours a day? No. People who put in more time should have something to show for that. The way things are currently though the only thing that really determines who is a JEDI and who is not is the amount of time played. See my post above for an example of a way of how to fix this. Mind you that's just one example, there can be dozens of solutions to the same problem in different ways.
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My post wasn’t meant to be a contradiction. You’ll have to excuse me if I made myself unclear.
My initial statement is my opinion. With the latter I was stating the "excuses" for those who call themselves casual gamers. It’s often stated that they either choose between their family or the game....My point was that you could do both.
As far as anyone teaching me what it is to be JEDI.... I too went to see the original films. My geekdom is as good as any when it comes to "What it means to be JEDI". You should hear my rants about the little Maul/Sith wanna bee’s and Chosen ones.
Anyway to sum up my point; its my opinion that if you are a long time "casual" player. Youve had plenty of time to get Jedi...why? Because I did and I’ve taken breaks months at a time. For all you new guys...I cant speak for you. If you chose to do anything other then grind to Jedi. Who’s to blame?
On the subject of "Missions based Jedi path".... this idea sounds good on paper but has no place in SWG. If Power grinders can do the god awful grind in no time. They will Shirley blow through a mission based system..... In a matter of days.
The answer lies in a system that "No one wants to do". Do you really thing I wanted to grind?
Either do it....or don’t. It’s really that simple
Kharast wrote:
gotslapped wrote:
I'm curious. When you purchase somethingat the store do you leave it at the register, and tell the cashier that you will come back to pick up what you justpaid for in a few months after you "work" for it? Do you personally feelselfish when you do pick (or use) the product that you purchased? After you purchase the product (s), do you defer to the other people in the check-out lanes for their consent - for you to acquire the item that you just purchased?
I just want to understand your line of thinking. Are you saying that a consumer that purchases a (specifically tailored marketing) product shouldnot be obligated to a timely delivery of that product?
please explain this example using your logic.
I'm a Maser Squad Leader / MBH. i'm a guild councilor, a PvE Leader, a Helper, have a second account to help kill bases, a pilot in Storm Squadron and the RSF. my time online, while probably exceeds 15 hours per week, is very full. i purchased the digital download of RotW and TTE for my second account but have not yet set one foot of either character on Kash nor have i done any of the RotW quests. i've only competed on two swoop tracks. i'm so far behind what i want to accomplish that i've made a To Do list. Aside from completing Jabba's Themepark and Imperial Themepark, the collection of POI badges which i guess include requirements for glowy, and killing that spider thing at the bottom of the Spider Clan while on a guild event, I'm not on the path to glowy.
Did you and I purchase the same game? do we pay the same amount of money to play this game? why am i entitled to a Jedi character after X number of months when i'm not looking to go and achieve it in that same time span?others that have come before me had to drop everything to get the necessary badges and grind out FS xp. so will it be for me, and with those that come after me.
Just because i bought the game does not entitle me to ALL content merely because its part of the game. it would be the same thing as saying "well, i bought this and now i want to be a Shipwright / Weaponsmith / Merchant, but dont want to give up my existing template(s)" If i want to build and sell ship parts or weapons, i have to actively go out and achieve those professions, while sacrificing something else of my game time or experience. its a privilige to craft weapons and ship components, not a right; same thing with being a Jedi.
What does SOE market? if we look at the flash demo, the back of the box (software), etc... None of the pictures/themes represent your first paragraph. I think we are talking about two different things (you and I). I think you are talking about the things that you personally enjoy during your gameplay, while I am talking about the marketing strategy that SOE has executed to date. Their strategyhas evolved around the Jedi. It does not mean that you cannot do everything that you mentioned that you enjoy with your multiple accounts. However, your gameplay is not consistent with the perception that SOE's marketing has executed to date. I have yet to see SOE's merchant, shipwright, or squad leaders marketing/advertising "initiatives".
Just a hypothetical question, how well do you think SOE's new business sales would perform if their main marketing initiatives were centered around the Shipwright or Squad Leader professions? Above or below quota (assuming they are currently above quota)?
Message Edited by gotslapped on 08-11-2005 03:50 PM
If 10 hours per week is casual . . .how muchis a power gamer playing. 10 hours per week is a lot of time to be playing one video game. I might get 5 hours in a week if I am lucky (and a couple hours on the forums). If you look at my sig, you see that I have 3 characters, but two were given to me by friends that just couldn't play anymore.
I would LOVE to get jedi, but realistically I never will. I am in medical school, married and have a son on the way (Sept 30, whoohoo). I think the casual gamers are just frustrated because the same things that they spend time on in RL to be a success there (marriage, family, career), mean they don't have the time to "succeed" in the game and become a jedi. You probably dominated some game when you were younger and had more time so let the younger people now dominate this game (I am 25, by the way). Itmay suck that some 13 year-old can have a jedi knight that would dominate your toon with impunity, but some day, they will be an adult and there will be some new game that they won't have time to play.
Enjoy the things that take up your time. If you use so much of your time for them, they are probably worth it. Realize that you are an adult and can't make a video game your major priority. If you don't enjoy the grind, don't do it. Be happy for the people that do get jedi, they can be very helpful in game and it may be the only thing that they shine at at the moment. Be happy that this game is not the only thing you have to shine at . . . it is just a game. The successes of real life are more rewarding and longer lasting than success in this game. I am not saying that you are a loser in RL if you get jedi; it simply means that you have the time at this point in your life to devote to this game.
Congratulations to those that have a jedi and congratulations to those that have a life (not mutually exclusive).
What does SOE market? if we look at the flash demo, the back of the box (software), etc... None of the pictures/themes represent your first paragraph.