Force Sensitive Archive
Thread: Casual Gamers = No Jedi
NACHODEWI wrote:
The problem is the casual whiners want to master Jedi quickly without doing too much. The problem is these whiners are just selfish morons who only care about themselves so they refuse to admit that if the devs made it easy for the casual gamers to become Jedi then the power games would blow thru it with one day of grinding. The other annoying thing with the whiners is the seem to spend all their time here whining instead of playing.
I'm curious. When you purchase somethingat the store do you leave it at the register, and tell the cashier that you will come back to pick up what you justpaid for in a few months after you "work" for it? Do you personally feelselfish when you do pick (or use) the product that you purchased? After you purchase the product (s), do you defer to the other people in the check-out lanes for their consent - for you to acquire the item that you just purchased?
Jeez, so much flaming in here 
Anyway, I am a father of 3 and a hubby and I don't complain about the time it will take me to train jedi. I have unlocked 4 of my 6 fs branches and will grind them out after I'm all done. I realize this could take a year, and am willing to make that commitment due to the fact that I am a disgusting jedi fanboy. Why anyone would b|tch about how long jedi takes to get is beyond me, it is the "Class A" profession, and should be a long, drawn-out task. Just popping in to throw my 2 cents to the table. Stop whining and play. If the kid next door or the fat pig in his moms basement can grind out a jedi in 2 months, I am happy for them, I live a different lifestyle and have responsibilities that prohibit me from playing but 6-12 hours a week. But I will be a Jedi eventually, and so will all of you, so, grab a beer and cool out
ArtisanAaron wrote:
Jeez, so much flaming in here
Anyway, I am a father of 3 and a hubby and I don't complain about the time it will take me to train jedi. I have unlocked 4 of my 6 fs branches and will grind them out after I'm all done. I realize this could take a year, and am willing to make that commitment due to the fact that I am a disgusting jedi fanboy. Why anyone would b|tch about how long jedi takes to get is beyond me, it is the "Class A" profession, and should be a long, drawn-out task. Just popping in to throw my 2 cents to the table. Stop whining and play. If the kid next door or the fat pig in his moms basement can grind out a jedi in 2 months, I am happy for them, I live a different lifestyle and have responsibilities that prohibit me from playing but 6-12 hours a week. But I will be a Jedi eventually, and so will all of you, so, grab a beer and cool out
been working on Jedi so long now . . . . beer can't cut it . . . working on harder stuff now 
taquilla for the win
JaxMeridian wrote:
The first thing I notice is the misquote of Casual. Casual, as used in reference to hobbies or pass-times, is used as a qualoquial term. The dictionary meaning, which is litteral, is incorrect here. To be a casual gamer is to be someone who plays in the time that they have left over from the daily hum-drum of life. This doesn't mean that they care less, just that, since they have and maintain a life outside of the game, they can play less.
You can quote the dictionary all you want, but when you deal with qualoquial terms ( of local or social usage), the dictioary is the wrong tool. Try a Thesaurus.
Then wouldn't everyone be a "casual gamer"? Therefore undermining this "casual gamer" argument even more.
Raise your hand if you don't have a daily regiment and a life outside SWG.
JaxMeridian wrote:
The first thing I notice is the misquote of Casual. Casual, as used in reference to hobbies or pass-times, is used as a qualoquial term. The dictionary meaning, which is litteral, is incorrect here. To be a casual gamer is to be someone who plays in the time that they have left over from the daily hum-drum of life. This doesn't mean that they care less, just that, since they have and maintain a life outside of the game, they can play less.
You can quote the dictionary all you want, but when you deal with qualoquial terms ( of local or social usage), the dictioary is the wrong tool. Try a Thesaurus.
Great point on the distinction between the definition and how it applies here (although I think the word you're looking for is colloquial).
Anyway, yes of course the age-old question is how can you make something attainable by the casual gamer without making it very easily attainable by a power gamer. Once someone comes up with an answer to this then they'll make a ton of money on a MMORPG that's for sure...casual gamers are the meal ticket -- it's really a dilemma that in-game content must be catered to the power-gamer minority.
However, should the difficulty in solving this problem preclude 1-2 hour-per-night gamers from getting a Jedi? Absolutely not! I personally was hoping to see something quest-driven (as opposed to grind) back when the first Jedi trials content was added. Of course spoilers would pop up instantly, and so power gamers would be able to blow through the content, of course they would achieve it anyway pretty quickly through grinding so I suppose it's a moot point. Perhaps adding a timed gate like the village quests would help with this.
JaxMeridian wrote:
The first thing I notice is the misquote of Casual. Casual, as used in reference to hobbies or pass-times, is used as a qualoquial term. The dictionary meaning, which is litteral, is incorrect here. To be a casual gamer is to be someone who plays in the time that they have left over from the daily hum-drum of life. This doesn't mean that they care less, just that, since they have and maintain a life outside of the game, they can play less.You can quote the dictionary all you want, but when you deal with qualoquial terms ( of local or social usage), the dictioary is the wrong tool. Try a Thesaurus.
Exactly what I was thinking. Just because a term is adopted and used in a game and becomes the "accepted" term does not mean that everyone who later uses it means it literally. If you think a definition can be taken from the dictionary to directly interpret the meaning of a common game term...do me a favor and explain "owned". So..I'm flying around in space and somebody shoots down x-wing. That person says "I owned you". Does that mean I was formerly a slave? Interesting...i must have a selective memory or the experience must have been so horrifying that I've blocked it out.
NameWithheld wrote:
Exactly what I was thinking. Just because a term is adopted and used in a game and becomes the "accepted" term does not mean that everyone who later uses it means it literally. If you think a definition can be taken from the dictionary to directly interpret the meaning of a common game term...do me a favor and explain "owned". So..I'm flying around in space and somebody shoots down x-wing. That person says "I owned you". Does that mean I was formerly a slave? Interesting...i must have a selective memory or the experience must have been so horrifying that I've blocked it out.
Function: verb
transitive senses
1 a : to have or hold as property : POSSESS b : to have power over : CONTROL
2 : to acknowledge to be true, valid, or as claimed : ADMIT
intransitive senses : to acknowledge something to be true, valid, or as claimed -- used with to or up
synonym see ACKNOWLEDGE
- own·er /'O-n&r/ noun
NameWithheld wrote:
I am unbiased as well since I have my grind done. I wasn't taking a stance on the issue only pointing out that cutting and pasting a definition is not a powerful arguement. Your definition for own still doesn't really change that. You're confusing "more powerful" with "power over". A person who kills another person in no way "Controls" that person as you highlighted in your definition.
The term was coined to imply that the victor has power over his/her opponent, "I owned you" means you were beat so badly that you were on constant defense, counteracting the offense of the opponent and therefore controlled by their more powerful stradegy or mere strength.So it would be power over and controlled. You are thinking of it only as an expressionof possesion, I am stating that the meaning of theword spans further than that.
Message Edited by iijin on 08-10-2005 03:00 PM
NameWithheld wrote:
I can see what you're trying to get at even if I don't agree with you. To say that by throwing a punch you've controlled the person who dodged it is a VERY large leep. Just because a person reacts to another's action with a response most favorable to themself does not mean they've been controlled. If this were true, anyone put on the defensive is "owned" since they are reacting to someone else. So...in your first response to my post, in which you pasted yet another definition, you were wrong, by your own explanation, when you followed with "-OWNED-" because it was I who attacked your debate and you who defended it. I think I just controlled the s out of you.
By throwing a punch and making someone dodge it successfullyno, you are not "owned". If someone does go on defensive and succedes in defending themselves comming out still in the fight, no they are not owned. By being swiftly beaten because you were forced to do nothing but try and defend yourself with no success, you were OWNED. Why is this difficult for you? are you trying to say the term "owned" and its definition have no connection! LOL.
Message Edited by iijin on 08-10-2005 04:27 PM
Well said IIjin...
Anyone whosays "people that attain JEDI have nolives or are power grinders" are (in my opinion) misinformed.
If you chose to spend your time with your kids/ at a park/ watching Tv/ whatever.......kudos to you. Now live with that decision and stop crying.
I also have a child/wife/ self owned business.... I would grind after I put my daughter to bed. I took full advantage of the x2 weeks to grind. Hell, I even called a buddy and missed a full nights rest to do than friggen phase three village quest. My point is if you really want JEDI...then do it....dont cry about it.
SOE has done ENOUGH. It's not their fault you didsomething else with your time.
You need to start asking yourself...... "Do I really want this?"
The answer maybe no.
Message Edited by Chris92056 on 08-10-2005 05:27 PM