Force Sensitive Archive
Thread: Medical exp FS conversion now 30:1 Why?
CalArsou
Sun Aug 07, 2005 8:17 am
#14
Babafetish wrote:
Am I right in saying a doc healing and someone shooting get the same amount of xp fighting if theyre the same level? Ive never compared it myself to take notice.But if thats the case ( which I'm sure it is ) then the 30 to 1 ratio was inevitable - same amount of xp, same ratio, different xp gained.
If you just heal or just attack when your group kills a mob, then yes, you get the same amount of Medical xp as you get Weapons xp. But you don't gain any Combat xp if you just heal, so this gives Medical professions 10% less FS xp per kill then the Combat ones.
A conversion ratio of 27:1 would be even.
KaingPu
Sun Aug 07, 2005 9:56 am
#15
CalArsou wrote:
Babafetish wrote:
Am I right in saying a doc healing and someone shooting get the same amount of xp fighting if theyre the same level? Ive never compared it myself to take notice.
But if thats the case ( which I'm sure it is ) then the 30 to 1 ratio was inevitable - same amount of xp, same ratio, different xp gained.
If you just heal or just attack when your group kills a mob, then yes, you get the same amount of Medical xp as you get Weapons xp. But you don't gain any Combat xp if you just heal, so this gives Medical professions 10% less FS xp per kill then the Combat ones.
A conversion ratio of 27:1 would be even.
With combat xp now trading at 30-1 they are not getting a 10% bonus anymore... it's now more like 1%.
That aside...
Had they said something and not done a shadow nerf it would admittedly be easier to deal with.
KyridIce
Sun Aug 07, 2005 11:03 am
#16
Babafetish wrote:
Am I right in saying a doc healing and someone shooting get the same amount of xp fighting if theyre the same level? Ive never compared it myself to take notice.
But if thats the case ( which I'm sure it is ) then the 30 to 1 ratio was inevitable - same amount of xp, same ratio, different xp gained.
Yea, thats pretty much the case. Same goes for CH xp. I took advantage of their better trade-in ratios post-CU since you gain xp in those fields just as fast as if you were doing weapons xp. It was inevitable that they'd fix this, the old ratios were just leftovers from pre-CU xp caps/gain rates.
ObsidianWrath
Sun Aug 07, 2005 3:23 pm
#17
Oh, good!
I had firmly hoped that someone would skim over my thread and make a vastlyuninformed response to it. Now, let's see where to begin with this little morsel.
wanabjedi55 wrote:
Oh get over yourself. Everyone has a right to express what they wish.
For starters, I'm a bit confused as to why you would say I need to "get over myself." Unlike the blind ad hominem that was slurred ungracefully within the initial post like it was tacked on as an afterthought, I believe I remained completely calm and rational throughout my post. I did not make any baseless accusations or emotional attacks of character, and substantiated my reasons very clearly and succinctly. Just because he makes an ignorant comment "freely" does notremove my right to debase his pointless accusation on the grounds of launching an ad hominem out of place in a video game forum. His interjection of that point was completely pointless, needless, and tacky at best. It is self-defeating, furthermore, given the irony of the fact that he is doing the very thing he is condemning in interjecting it in the first place. Connoisseurs of language and dialect regard such things quite harshly, regardless of their political spectrum.
Furthermore, if you had chosen to read the Forum Usage Guidelines, you would know that there is a point listed specifically about staying relevant within posts. In addition to this, every primary forum has a fairly large bulletin posted at the top of it which reads: "Please remain on topic for the Star Wars Galaxies forums, do not use these forums to discuss Politics or Religion". Clearly, despite these facts, this comment was completely acceptable in your eyes. I'll allow that to speak for itself, rather than run the risk of discrediting myself in a similar fashion to your ill-spoken friend.
Because I don't agree politically? In what way did my post interject anything about my own political foundation aside from the fact that I mentioned I am a registered Republican? If you had actually bothered to read my post in its entirety and take a moment to ponder its context, you would have realized the fact that I stayed completely neutral. I stated that there are overspoken people on both sides of the political spectrum that are equally deserving of condemnation.I further stated that each political party has inherent strengths and weaknesses, yet you would ignorantly attempt to portray me as an extremist? Who is blindly disagreeing, now? It would seem to me that you saw the word "Republican" and immediately smelled blood in the water, being that such attacks seem to be the trendy thing nowadays.
wanabjedi55 wrote:
And just because you don't agree politicaly doesn't mean you HAVE to disagree in every other aspect, be it life or a game idea...(Republicans...pshhh) lol
Furthermore, I did not state that I disagreed with every other aspect of his post. I began my own post with praise of some of the things that he was saying, and commented that he lost credibility by interjecting a pointless statement that deters the delivery of his message. That has nothing to do at all with the content of what he said. It is a criticism of his delivery. If a Republican had made a similar comment about "bedwetting Liberals," I would have been equally as chastising. If you or anyone else reading this is remotely familiar with public speaking and addressing wide audiences to sway opinion, you will know that making an ignorant and baseless comment like this completely torpedoes your efforts. It is out of place, regardless of its spectrum. I do not believe that the tone of my post in any way reflected anything about my personal ideology. The only thing you know about me is that "Republican" is on my voter registration card.
Life lesson: detail is key, in reading and comprehension.
wanabjedi55 wrote:
"You had a completely articulate, respectable post going in your favor, and then you completely blew it out of the water making a shallow and baseless attack against a broad political spectrum."
By saying "had" you mean that after one coment he completely lost articulation?....Riiiiiight...
Did you read anything in that sentence beyond the fourth word? I commented that his post was articulate, in addition to being respectable. If you pay attention to the phraseology in detail, that comment would read that he had a "respectable post" that was also articulate. Further commentary beyond that point discredits his respectability (not his articulation), on the basis of launching an ad hominem that had absolutely no relevance in his post what-so-ever. How is it "respectable," what he did? If you think it is, as is clearly demonstrated by your own baseless attacks, then I've already won my argument without firing a single shot at either of you in "anger." I've proven what you are, versus what I am.
Take your hate-mongering back to the drawing board.
HarlequinMK19
Sun Aug 07, 2005 3:54 pm
#18
ObsidianWrath wrote:
Oh, good!
I had firmly hoped that someone would skim over my thread and make a vastlyuninformed response to it. Now, let's see where to begin with this little morsel.
wanabjedi55 wrote:
Oh get over yourself. Everyone has a right to express what they wish.
For starters, I'm a bit confused as to why you would say I need to "get over myself." Unlike the blind ad hominem that was slurred ungracefully within the initial post like it was tacked on as an afterthought, I believe I remained completely calm and rational throughout my post. I did not make any baseless accusations or emotional attacks of character, and substantiated my reasons very clearly and succinctly. Just because he makes an ignorant comment "freely" does notremove my right to debase his pointless accusation on the grounds of launching an ad hominem out of place in a video game forum. His interjection of that point was completely pointless, needless, and tacky at best. It is self-defeating, furthermore, given the irony of the fact that he is doing the very thing he is condemning in interjecting it in the first place. Connoisseurs of language and dialect regard such things quite harshly, regardless of their political spectrum.
Furthermore, if you had chosen to read the Forum Usage Guidelines, you would know that there is a point listed specifically about staying relevant within posts. In addition to this, every primary forum has a fairly large bulletin posted at the top of it which reads: "Please remain on topic for the Star Wars Galaxies forums, do not use these forums to discuss Politics or Religion". Clearly, despite these facts, this comment was completely acceptable in your eyes. I'll allow that to speak for itself, rather than run the risk of discrediting myself in a similar fashion to your ill-spoken friend.
Because I don't agree politically? In what way did my post interject anything about my own political foundation aside from the fact that I mentioned I am a registered Republican? If you had actually bothered to read my post in its entirety and take a moment to ponder its context, you would have realized the fact that I stayed completely neutral. I stated that there are overspoken people on both sides of the political spectrum that are equally deserving of condemnation.I further stated that each political party has inherent strengths and weaknesses, yet you would ignorantly attempt to portray me as an extremist? Who is blindly disagreeing, now? It would seem to me that you saw the word "Republican" and immediately smelled blood in the water, being that such attacks seem to be the trendy thing nowadays.
wanabjedi55 wrote:
And just because you don't agree politicaly doesn't mean you HAVE to disagree in every other aspect, be it life or a game idea...(Republicans...pshhh) lol
Furthermore, I did not state that I disagreed with every other aspect of his post. I began my own post with praise of some of the things that he was saying, and commented that he lost credibility by interjecting a pointless statement that deters the delivery of his message. That has nothing to do at all with the content of what he said. It is a criticism of his delivery. If a Republican had made a similar comment about "bedwetting Liberals," I would have been equally as chastising. If you or anyone else reading this is remotely familiar with public speaking and addressing wide audiences to sway opinion, you will know that making an ignorant and baseless comment like this completely torpedoes your efforts. It is out of place, regardless of its spectrum. I do not believe that the tone of my post in any way reflected anything about my personal ideology. The only thing you know about me is that "Republican" is on my voter registration card.
Life lesson: detail is key, in reading and comprehension.
wanabjedi55 wrote:
"You had a completely articulate, respectable post going in your favor, and then you completely blew it out of the water making a shallow and baseless attack against a broad political spectrum."
By saying "had" you mean that after one coment he completely lost articulation?....Riiiiiight...
Did you read anything in that sentence beyond the fourth word? I commented that his post was articulate, in addition to being respectable. If you pay attention to the phraseology in detail, that comment would read that he had a "respectable post" that was also articulate. Further commentary beyond that point discredits his respectability (not his articulation), on the basis of launching an ad hominem that had absolutely no relevance in his post what-so-ever. How is it "respectable," what he did? If you think it is, as is clearly demonstrated by your own baseless attacks, then I've already won my argument without firing a single shot at either of you in "anger." I've proven what you are, versus what I am.
Take your hate-mongering back to the drawing board.
Obsidian, they're liberals (and or Democrats), do you think they understand much of anything beyond their own self-righteousness?
Unlike yourself, I choose to fan the hate back. 
I like playing their own games, despite the inferiority of such...it just makes me smile.
Persamus
Sun Aug 07, 2005 3:59 pm
#19
Obsidian, you accuse me of going off topic, but that is all you have done. Granted, my comment was not necessarily well thought out, but I was simply trying to create a similie that others could understand, and my disposition at the time did not stop me from making the comment I did. You however not only attacked me personally, but have been waiting in ambush to attack others. This, unfortunately, takes away from the point of the thread. I am willing to let it pass if you will.
Now, back to the point.
By making a stealth change of medical exp conversion to FS exp,the developers have declared that they care more about keeping the jedi population down than they care about their customer base. In the long run, these changes will not solve the problem. More jedi WILL be created, and unless SOE decides to implement even more draconian solutions, the problem they are trying to avoid now will catch up to them. Therefore, there is still a problem to solve, however much SOE tries to dodge it.
As I have remarked in previous posts, do not make it more difficult for casual gamers. Embrace the jedi population and add more content for it. Also, many who are grinding the village want nothing more than the second, free, character slot. This is what angers me most about this situation. Those who have made jedi get to have their combat character, and have a crafting character on the side. I do not have this, though I pay the same as everyone else. I am not the longest playing person in the game, but I do have 692 days played. Why should I be treated this way, when I likely have done more to improve the game than virtually any jedi. I like to explore the content. I like to do things other than grinding. I like to help newbies. And for this, I am treated as a second class player. "Get to the back of the bus you non-grinder you! The front of the bus is for REAL grinder jedi!" Sound familiar anyone?
By making these changes, SOE seems intent on creating a system that rewards grinding, that rewards those who ignore helping others, that rewards players for going all combat and not artisan/entertainer/BE. By doing this, you are making the game less than it could be. You are making it tedious.
One idea is to let players get the second character slot by another method. Whether it is time played (veteran reward), quest driven, or even (gasp) some grinding, you could slow down the march to jedi for quite a few, and achieve the goal of slowing the number of jedi added, and have happier players.
Another idea is, as many have advocated, take out the grinding and make unlocking jedi quest driven. Make the quests take time, like the village cycle, and I am sure many would be quite happy with this. Make the quests take 6 months, and people would still be happier than having to do mindless grinding.
Persephea Lightheart
Intrepid
Luxora
Sun Aug 07, 2005 4:05 pm
#20
I partially agree, since Medics/Doctors/etc cannot solo and cannot acquire medical XP for healing/buffing outside of combat. This leaves them at a distinct disadvantage, and they deserve some sort of compensation -- however, something did need to be done to prevent people from temporarily changing their template just to grind to Jedi. That's simply abusing the system and look what happened, SOE removed it and screwed over all medical professions regarding FS XP.
And the other lesson is: Don't make snippy stereotypical comments if you don't expect someone to bring it up, particularly if you want people to stay on-topic in your own thread. It's just asking to get beat down and have the thread hijacked, especially when thebiased comment is anuneducated opinion.
ObsidianWrath
Sun Aug 07, 2005 4:14 pm
#21
Persamus wrote:
Obsidian, you accuse me of going off topic, but that is all you have done. Granted, my comment was not necessarily well thought out, but I was simply trying to create a similie that others could understand, and my disposition at the time did not stop me from making the comment I did. You however not only attacked me personally, but have been waiting in ambush to attack others. This, unfortunately, takes away from the point of the thread. I am willing to let it pass if you will.
Before I offer any further commentary, I am willing to do as you have asked, as I presume your comment was meant to be largely conciliatory. I understand that you have a political ideology that at times spurs you to comments of passion when you are preturbed in a matter. I would be lying if I did not admit that your comment did upset and offend me, though I attempted not to let these feelings speak entirely for me in my response. If you are conceding the point that while there are fringes of both parties who are "screamers," and that not all "Right-Wingers" are crazed maniacs, then I have no problem laying the issue to rest.
I will state that I do not believe I have attacked you personally, other than to condemn your interjection. If you interpreted anything I said as blatantly offensive or insulting, then I apologize for any such failure of expression on my part. I was upset to see the comment, and I still believe that it was made in poor taste, but an apology is certainly capable of restoring respectability. For now, I believe you have done that. Further from being off-topic, I have no problem admitting that I never was "on topic," but I have carefully monitored each response to make certain that I was not in any way violating the rules of the forum by directly discussing political ideology. I am intolerant of seeing such interjections, as they have become fairly commonplace in the conclusion of a super-heated, highly pressurized election year.
I have nothing further to add. I have no intentions of posting on this thread any further, unless someone blatantly attacks again.
Persamus
Sun Aug 07, 2005 4:35 pm
#22
ObsidianWrath wrote:
If you are conceding the point that while there are fringes of both parties who are "screamers," and that not all "Right-Wingers" are crazed maniacs, then I have no problem laying the issue to rest.
Agreed.
Perspehea Lightheart
Intrepid
CalArsou
Sun Aug 07, 2005 10:14 pm
#23
KaingPu wrote:
CalArsou wrote:
Babafetish wrote:
Am I right in saying a doc healing and someone shooting get the same amount of xp fighting if theyre the same level? Ive never compared it myself to take notice.But if thats the case ( which I'm sure it is ) then the 30 to 1 ratio was inevitable - same amount of xp, same ratio, different xp gained.
If you just heal or just attack when your group kills a mob, then yes, you get the same amount of Medical xp as you get Weapons xp. But you don't gain any Combat xp if you just heal, so this gives Medical professions 10% less FS xp per kill then the Combat ones.
A conversion ratio of 27:1 would be even.
With combat xp now trading at 30-1 they are not getting a 10% bonus anymore... it's now more like 1%.That aside...Had they said something and not done a shadow nerf it would admittedly be easier to deal with.
300 Weapons XP = 30 Combat XP
300 Weapons XP -> 10 FS XP
30 Combat XP -> 1 FS XP
Total FS XP from Mob = 11
300 Medical XP
300 Medical XP -> 10 FS XP
Total FS XP from Mob = 10
10% Boost for Weapons over Medical.
Message Edited by CalArsou on 08-07-2005 10:15 PM
NACHODEWI
Mon Aug 08, 2005 4:46 am
#24
Wow even on a game board you can't escape the angry right wingers. Its pointless to argue with them since they have no life outside of being angry and rightwing.
BwanaKubwa
Mon Aug 08, 2005 7:19 am
#25
I am a Master Doctor and a Master Rifleman. I have been grinding now on a casual basis for about 6 months on the FS path. Since the CU I still find it more difficult to obtain medical xp. Even though I play Doc and Rifleman roles at least 50% I rarely reach the sameamount ofmedical xp. I also die routinely playing the Doc role. As a Rileman you can choose both shot and rifle type and literally control animal aggro toward you. This is not the case in the Doc role. In a serious aggro situation if one Doc tries to heal many the aggro allto the Doc. Thus the reason for more frequent deaths in the Doc role. The simple notion that it is just as difficult to obtain combat (30:1) and medical xp (now 30:1) is hard for me to accept since that is not my direct in game experience. I know it says that the new release (21)was suppose to make Docs more useful to a group but I have not felt an in game difference at all.("Adjusted Doctor buff durations to improve the usefulness of Doctors in groups.") I guess I thought that people would clamor to get me in every group.
Is it just my imagination or are there really fewer Doctors around since the CU?
Is it just my imagination or are there really fewer Doctors around since the CU?
waynejzoll007
Mon Aug 08, 2005 7:40 am
#26
I think its funny that more than half of the people who are telling people to stop crying about this are already jedi's lol, so... to be fair, soe, should pull that skill tree and have everyone do it again,.. or make it so that EVERYONE needs to the 30-1.