Force Sensitive Archive
Thread: Warren
Let me guess, Dark Jedi right? I could tell from the attitude. I agree with the majority of posters here who would just like clarification on if this is an exploit or not?
As for thinking BH don't like it, well I know many that enjoy hunting down there. The halls, rooms, and sometimes confusinglayout can also work to their advantage.I know of two that hunt there75% of their time now.
dridernce wrote:
Navarchos wrote:
Who the hell am I Dridernce ?
My name is Stephen Scott Blair and I'm a 33 year old Supply Chain Analyst from Aberdeen in Scotland. I was reading this thread as the Warren is generating a lot of interest on the BH forum and I thought i'd see what what the Jedi viewpoint on things is so I could form a balanced opinion.
I trust you have no problem with a BH player wanting to take a reasonable, balanced view on this isssue ?
I posted the comment I did because, if this isn't an exploit then this is of interest to other professions who may wish XP in a hurry.
If it is an exploit then it needs to be stopped.
And if the figures quoted are an exaggeration then this needs to be proved and quickly beofre this kicks off another hysterical cross board ranting session.
Hence, what I considered to be a constructive suggestion of getting some empirical data to prove or deny these claims.
I trust this satisfys your rather arrogant and rude enquiry into who I am and my motivations ?
No Stephen. It answers it. It doesn't satisfy it.
So why don't you get your soft-soap rationalisations back to the BH forum and address some of the exploits you and your lads are currently enjoying?
No wonder we in Edinburgh - 29 yar old Princess Street copywriter here - feel something very akin to physical revulsion at the hypocrisy of Aberdonians.
From the money they get from this, they even could pay some skilled DEVs. ;-)
Moosephat wrote:
Xalya_Shadowalker wrote:
points to consider:
1) The mobs only insta-respawn in certain rooms. These generally are rooms that involve two groups of mobs fighting each other.
2) The mobs will insta-respawn even if players do not kill them. If a mob kills another mob, the killed mob will still insta-respawn
3) One can make 1.3m per buff in the warren. You will also generate massive amounts of visibility. One BH Death per hour yields 900k, which isnt much more than can be made through other means.
4) If the spawn timer is broken, what are we supposed to do? Are we not allowed to go inside the warren at all? Without an official statement one way or another, its a large demand for us all to assume that this isnt as intended and avoid the warren. This is much like the Blueleaf temple which also had a very fast timer, which WAS INTENDED, and then had that timer lengthened.
You can wink & nod all you like, the fact is camping in the Warren whether you can do it or not is exploiting an obvious bug. Bugs like this need fixing. But the overwhelming attitude, especially from Jedi is let's take advantage of this and to hell with fair play. Whatever, I tried talking to a couple Jedi as well as other players simply saying think about what you're doing. You're a Jedi camping xp with total visability. I don't know... the whole thing frustrates me.
I know the Warren. I'm one of the only guides on my server that will take anyone through it and not ask for anything in return except what they consider a fair tip. It was so bad I couldn't get the elevator to work to get the reactor rods. 3 Jedi in the room when asked if they would mind moving so I could try and use it they simply said sorry, we're going to be here all day. You know something's not right when 2 Reb & an Imp are grouped in the room together spamming spin attacks.
As to your points...
1. The rooms that were affected by the insta-spawn bug were not just the rooms were mobs were fighting each other. The above mentioned elevator room is a prime example.
2. This is also completely flawed. The "Reservoir Dogs" room do insta-spawn on their own only because one mob is killing another. This is also a much slower process than any elite profession cleaning them out. As for the popular rooms, see again above notes.
3. This exploit has nothing to do with whether it is viable for a BH hunt Jedi in the Warren. And that's assuming that BH's are going to venture there. No that point is just a red herring.
4. WHAT ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO DO? Ethics, that little voice that tells you something isn't right. Or... doing the right thing even when noone's looking.
And now I know why Jedi are dispised by many in the SWG community.
Message Edited by Moosephat on 04-11-2005 01:40 AM
Iam at a loss, sorry I dont understand why when a jedi does something its a low down dirty xploiter and if a master sword or tk is in there spamming area hits its ok. Explain that to me, and why wouldnt a jedi do this, they have the most to lose xp wise in game with teh CU comeing (maybe) why not bank as much as you can now, the benefits out way the penality right now in there. Tell me why someone tha thas a jedi knight makes a bh and hunts pads,what is wrong with that picture, you know the grind, you know it sucks and you go out of your way to punish other jedi, why, another one i dont understand really.
O I see why he has a master BH alt, so he can farm it for FRS, thats makes complete since.
Message Edited by koldbones on 04-11-2005 12:12 AM
Moosephat wrote:
Xalya_Shadowalker wrote:
points to consider:
1) The mobs only insta-respawn in certain rooms. These generally are rooms that involve two groups of mobs fighting each other.
2) The mobs will insta-respawn even if players do not kill them. If a mob kills another mob, the killed mob will still insta-respawn
3) One can make 1.3m per buff in the warren. You will also generate massive amounts of visibility. One BH Death per hour yields 900k, which isnt much more than can be made through other means.
4) If the spawn timer is broken, what are we supposed to do? Are we not allowed to go inside the warren at all? Without an official statement one way or another, its a large demand for us all to assume that this isnt as intended and avoid the warren. This is much like the Blueleaf temple which also had a very fast timer, which WAS INTENDED, and then had that timer lengthened.
1. The rooms that were affected by the insta-spawn bug were not just the rooms were mobs were fighting each other. The above mentioned elevator room is a prime example. Note I did use "most" I realize not all spawns are mob v mobs, but the majority of them are. Furthermore, if the warren is bugged, why do some spawns insta-pop and others not?
2. This is also completely flawed. The "Reservoir Dogs" room do insta-spawn on their own only because one mob is killing another. This is also a much slower process than any elite profession cleaning them out. As for the popular rooms, see again above notes. This statement was made to demonstrate that there is no 'player element' to the 'bugged' spawns. They will respawn on their own, or if a player is killing them, and that a player needs not preform any special action to 'bug' them.
3. This exploit has nothing to do with whether it is viable for a BH hunt Jedi in the Warren. And that's assuming that BH's are going to venture there. No that point is just a red herring. This point was made to indicate that the real xp gain rate is not as incredible as it sounds.
4. WHAT ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO DO? Ethics, that little voice that tells you something isn't right. Or... doing the right thing even when noone's looking. Did you ever use the shuttle trick to restore your speeder bike to full heath? Don't take the moral high ground here, because there isnt one. There's ample evidence that the warren is not bugged and to belittle those who do grind there and call them exploiters is ludicrous. It requires very little effort for a Customer Service Agent to make a post on the forums that says "the warren is bugged, grinders will be reported" or something to that effect. Until there is a ruling, we must assume the spawns are as intended. This is not relatable to the geo/dwb incidents because there is no player element. I used to go to the warren before the enhanced spawns to grind xp, was i exploiting then? And I notice you overlooked my mention of the Blueleaf temple, or did you never encounter that? or is that a relevant and damaging counterexample to your cries of exploit so you conveniently ignored it?
And now I know why Jedi are dispised by many in the SWG community.
Not to mention all the swordsmen, pikemen, tkms, riflemen, commandos, pistoleers, and bounty hunters that grind in there every day as well.
Message Edited by Moosephat on 04-11-2005 01:40 AM
Blakgun wrote:
Staveeno wrote:
I wish people would quit complaining about these spawns, you either get 2 choices here:
1) make the cave hard, fun, dangerous, exciting
Result: Cave is Hard, Fun, Dangerous and exciting, but in the process People will go there and level
2) Reduce the spawn, Nerf the cave, nerf the loot, etc.
Result: No one levels, but also, no one even bothers going there. I'm sure any one of you can name off 10 caves that are just barren wasteland and un-needed server resources.
I remember many caves that were fun, challenging, etc. but now, why even bother going, it is a waste of time. And you know why? because a bunch of cry babies decided to complain about some other person that doesn't even effect them at all.
Excellent Points Staveeno! This game, and the real world in general, are FILLED with busybodies that get all their kicks from messing with someone else's good time. They can't stand to see someone else enjoying life and pursuing happiness. They hate themselves and their lives so they endeavor to screw things up for the rest of the world. Examples of this arethe posts on the SWG forums thatare from people who enjoy b*tch*ng and complaining because "so and so" has an edge on them, or figured something out and is benefiting from ingenuity, on and on and on and on.
One day this planet will lose patience with the human race, and there won't be anyone left to gripe about it.
Beautifully expressed.