Fencer Archive

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Stealer-In wrote:
Winner FENCER

TKM Prep for fight: Lets say the poor tkm is stacked up on synthsteak, 2 brandies, mind buffs, PSG, also stun armor, and a 50-170 VK. health and action buffs too.

FENCER prep for fight: high kenetic 80+ Kenitic comp (4 peice naturally), synthsteak, 2 brandies, mind buffs, 200-400 stun baton. health and action buffs too.

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* How TKM would fight: Start off with intimidate, go for the dizzy, then spam whatever move they feel like.

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* How the FENCER would fight: intimidate, dizzy, lunge, scatterhit2 about 7-8 times(for taking out the steak), followed up by 1handhit3 about 2-6 times
(to finish off the PSG). During that time the tkm would be flopping cause their defenses to lunge and KD are very vulnerable. After that the FENCER would spam bodyhit3.

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* Why TKM would lose: The Fencers synthsteak would last for about 45 seconds with the upkeep of unarmed moves, but since unarmed does kenetic damage that won't really effect the HAM of the fencer (yes even, in the mind there won't be much of a dent there). And by the time the TKM actually takes out the fencers steak, he would be flopping cause of posture change and or KD, and being spammed with Bodyhit3 ( estimated time of staying alive: 20 seconds or less)

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first off, why would you say it's fair that a fencer has a 200-400 dmg stun baton..and giving the tkm only a 170 max dmg vk? to get your stunner that high you'll need it to be enhanced, while giving tk a base weapon with a poor dmg slice? that's a bit steep.

a decent tkm would start with warcry, stick intim, dizzy attack (sticks longer than kd2's dizzy) then go for knockdown 2 or lunge 1/2 for the lower posture (since there's less def vs lower posture change than kd def). applying stun on the fencer would also do a number on him. fencers do jack crap to someone with a stun psg and armor. the stun psg's do not wear down as much, so you won't be breaking that quick. nor do stun batons give much bf to their opponent. a tkm will give you bf like crazy, therefore making you take in more damage.

just understand that i am not saying that tkm is better than fencer, nor am i sticking up for them. your post seemed a bit too biased and it was full of bs. tkm lasting 20sec to a fencer? lol...right


another thing...who the hell in the right mind be be a stand alone TKM or Fencer and not spend their other 158 points on something else. funny thing is, i can make a tkm with immunity to dizzy and blind...while having over 100 def vs stun on top of that. so you making a REAL tkm stacker flop around like a fish will never happen. now i haven't experimented 100% with fencer, but i am migrating to the fencer profession and no way in hell am i gonna be a stand alone fencer. i will have immunity to dizzy, over 100 def to intim (after food) over 100 def to stun, and the ability to use stim e's...so targeting my mind would be the only thing to take me down...and surely no tkm will bring me down.


and dont forget about tkm's unarmed toughness...

Message Edited by BizzyNinja on 01-07-2005 10:28 PM

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Kovoa wrote:

As a pure fencer stacker, im talking

Master Fencer, Master Brawler, 1040 Pistoleer, tka 2302, pike 0040

Teh STACKER template

Give the fencer a good sun baton, lets say something in the 200+min to the 300+max range.

Vs ANY TKM VARIETY!

If that fencer has poped a pikata pie, im talking 51% dogde 20+ mins, the TKM will hardly ever hit the fencer. He will hit the fencer more often then any other profs due to the high accuracy, BUT! BUT! He will still be doing no damage to him. Even give that TKM a 220+max damage vk. We are talking the fencer wearing 80% min kin comp armor, with huge midigation and melee defence. So with an intimidate 2 on that tk's butt, the fencer wont be seeing any damage going on. Not to count his kd and dizzy def. So even if you do get him on the ground, he will pop up in no time.

The tkm just wont win. The tkm wont beable to hit the fencer, and the fencer will destroy that PSG in no time. Then bam, 200+ damage in pvp while the tkm is still trying to kd/dizzy the fencer. Even if the tk got the fencer on the ground, the fencer will be done with that in a few secs and pop up.

I'll give tkm's one thing, its a pretty nice template, but for seriuos pvpers, fencer is one of the best professions in game. You just have to invest in a good stun baton (none of thise 100min 177 max dam crap) we talking 300+ max damage. These are a lil hard to come by, but not that hard. At any given time you can buy one for a few mill.

Sure tkms can work the mind
Sure they have huge resists to any damage type

Sure they can force of will and meditate

But they cannot keep a fencer stacker down. Too much kd/dizzy defence

If they got em down, they would pop right back up.

The Fencer Stacker is THE TANK of all professions. Yea it takes you a while to get your damage out there, but you are able to withstand sooooo many attacks its not even funny.

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and neither will you keep a properly stacked tkm on the ground...if at all. you surely won't be doing 200 dmg to a tkm with stun armor and a psg with intim/stun on ya. as a tkm you surely dont need to spend a couple mil to be effective.

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Bakuryu11 wrote:

Lol I've never lost to a fencer/sword/jedi knight and lower/pike I'm TKM no armor/dots duel though

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i can guarantee a tkm won't have a problem hitting a fencer when they got intimidate and stun on him. why do i know this? because ask buell. as a rifleman, i had no problem hitting him with intimidate and stun on him...he was also on dodge food. rifleman's accuracy sucks...especially compared to a tkm. stun batons destroy psg's fast? i still dont believe it. i've had a psg that lasted 10min with a duel against a fencer...and still didn't break (had about 1200-1800 condition left). and this was a duel against JonPaul, for those on sunrunner probably know this guy. he's got some really expensive weapons and a well known pvper. i was also using rifleman...now there's no melee mitigation there and no "toughness" in a rifleman. with healing abilities a fencer can't do crap.

fencers AREN'T hard to hit, goodness...unless of course the idiot tkm decides to not apply intimidate and stun on the fencer.

I myself am a TKM. I have beaten a master fencer once. Out of (enter crazy amount here).

Fencer would win, no doubt.

...never have i ever lost to a fencer...as a tkm...or rifleman (no I did not kite, I stand toe-to-toe) or as a pikeman.

My point is...just because you've beat a tkm before, doesn't mean fencer > tkm. I have yet to see a decent arguement as to which is better. IMO, you can't say one is better than the other. Both have it's ups and downs and neither can really win without having something that is "better" over the other profession (weapons).

You mentioned that with COB and a >GOOD< gaffy, a fencer would own. Well, how about a tkm with COB and a "Good" VK? The arguements here are obviously biased towards fencer, since this is a fencer forum. To the original poster, if he/she is even reading what's going on...just pick whatever profession you like best. Don't let someone sit here and say one is better than the other, when simply you cannot compare the two.

Message Edited by BizzyNinja on 01-11-2005 11:35 PM