Fencer Archive
Thread: duel wield?
Raanan wrote:
Nikolai, to start off comparing SWG to ninja turtles is just dumb. Sorry for the rudeness but there's no polite way to say it. Comparing SWG to Ninja Turtles is stupid. Even if the comparison was a valid one, your assertion is flawed. The issue is weight. Leonardo used katana's which, if you haven't ever had the pleasure of using one, are VERY light weight. I doubt even the ninja turtles could duel weild claymores...
Your comparison to anakin is also flawed. For one, anakin is a jedi. Rules are different for them. For another, he was using light sabers which are also very light. They are after all LIGHT sabers... I challenge you to give energy weight.
Also, the fencing you speak of is a SPORT and nothing but a sport though it's roots are from actual fighting styles. Though the technique is sound for combat the rules of the SPORT have no relevence to combat.
Uhm, I compared Fencing to Ninja Turtles 
and Leonardo used ninja-to's not katanas The light in lightsaber doesn't refer to the weight. The weightlessness of the weapon also makes it very hard to use which is why a Jedi are the only ones good at using it. Furthermore, it isn't easy, because, the particular Jedi who would use two lightsabers were called Battlemaster Jedi, this was a very hard discipline to learn. Learn your SW.
The sport has big relevance to combat. Are you completely stupid? There are people who fence for sports and others for combat. Pirates fenced with sabers, I don't think raiding a British ship and dueling people blade to blade counts as sport.
Do you believe karate applies only to a dojo? Lots of people learn it for defense. Do you think if they get into a fight theyre going to throw it all out the window and just fight normally? If so, why bother learning it? To be a fencer is to put stock into that form of fighting, to fight with one blade, one hand, and be GOOD at it.
You're missing the very point. Fencer was put in the game for you to be just that, FENCERS. All Imperial Officers were also fencers, FYI. Fencing is very much a Star Wars form of combat and it follows the same movements, technique, and restrictions of the 'sport'.
You wield one blade, you're a fencer, you use one hand. Stop arguing with the obvious, it's like trying to say a Bounty Hunter doesn't hunt for money. You may choose the class to whore it for all its PVP abilities but it IS suppose to have a role defined by its NAME. And as such, you can't give such an obvious 1h profession, two blades. Unless we're talking about the offhand like another person said, such as a dagger.
Heavy Swordsman can dual wield blades, they use strength not finesse. And no one said all blades should have to be dual-wieldable. You can have Swordsman with two 2h curveds and such.
I can only see Pistoleers / Swordsman / Bounty Hunters (pistol) using dual wield. Teras Kasi maybe too (two Vibroknucklers). Fencers is only arguable if you have an offhand shorter weapon and I doubt that was what the devs had in mind.
OMG Nikolai **edit** if you really dont no what your talking about. You refer mostly to olympic and eurpeon fencing. If you hadnt noticed most of the melee fighting in this game is Asian based. I have been in a asian fencing school for many years and dual wielding is just an advanced style of fencing. And all fencing weapons are made to be very light in wieght which makes a huge difference when your trying to use two of them at once. The heavy the weapon the longer it takes you to swing it leaving you very vulnerble if your dual wielding a two handed weapon. Duel wielding with two handed weapons can be done but you have to be extraordinary stronge and fast. Onlyswordsman wep that can possibly be dueling wieldedis the twohanded curved sword wich is longer than most of the ingame species. Only species that could dual wield swordman weps is the wookies.
Another thing you said dual wielding would only be practicle if we had an offhand weapon such as a dagger **edit** are you smoking all the fencing weapons in the game besides the gaff stick, and ryyk bladeare shorter than two feet.
And nija turtles was a **edit**ing cartoon. If you wana base **edit** of stuff like that watch the end of shang high knights or watch kill bill or play kotor they have shorter lightsabers in that game the were desgined for duel weilding.
OMG Nikolai **edit** if you really dont no what your talking about. You refer mostly to olympic and eurpeon fencing. If you hadnt noticed most of the melee fighting in this game is Asian based. I have been in a asian fencing school for many years and dual wielding is just an advanced style of fencing. And all fencing weapons are made to be very light in wieght which makes a huge difference when your trying to use two of them at once. The heavy the weapon the longer it takes you to swing it leaving you very vulnerble if your dual wielding a two handed weapon. Duel wielding with two handed weapons can be done but you have to be extraordinary stronge and fast. Onlyswordsman wep that can possibly be dueling wieldedis the twohanded curved sword wich is longer than most of the ingame species. Only species that could dual wield swordman weps is the wookies.
Another thing you said dual wielding would only be practicle if we had an offhand weapon such as a dagger **edit** are you smoking all the fencing weapons in the game besides the gaff stick, and ryyk bladeare shorter than two feet.
And nija turtles was a **edit**ing cartoon. If you wana base **edit** of stuff like that watch the end of shang high knights or watch kill bill or play kotor they have shorter lightsabers in that game the were desgined for duel weilding.
Anyone actualy interested in real life weapons or replicas?
Ever hold Bravehearts sword? Your not going to dual wield a couple of those. lol
Now a couple of katanas however, yeah, np. but you really need to know what your doing so Id say master.
What I personally would like to see is a melee hybrid with pre-reqs of both 1h and 2h sword, maybe even something that actually requires master brawler.
Message Edited by TechnoHic on 03-24-2004 04:05 PM
The sport has big relevance to combat. Are you completely stupid? There are people who fence for sports and others for combat. Pirates fenced with sabers, I don't think raiding a British ship and dueling people blade to blade counts as sport.Do you believe karate applies only to a dojo? Lots of people learn it for defense. Do you think if they get into a fight theyre going to throw it all out the window and just fight normally? If so, why bother learning it? To be a fencer is to put stock into that form of fighting, to fight with one blade, one hand, and be GOOD at it.
You're missing the very point. Fencer was put in the game for you to be just that, FENCERS. All Imperial Officers were also fencers, FYI. Fencing is very much a Star Wars form of combat and it follows the same movements, technique, and restrictions of the 'sport'.
You wield one blade, you're a fencer, you use one hand. Stop arguing with the obvious, it's like trying to say a Bounty Hunter doesn't hunt for money. You may choose the class to whore it for all its PVP abilities but it IS suppose to have a role defined by its NAME. And as such, you can't give such an obvious 1h profession, two blades. Unless we're talking about the offhand like another person said, such as a dagger.
Heavy Swordsman can dual wield blades, they use strength not finesse. And no one said all blades should have to be dual-wieldable. You can have Swordsman with two 2h curveds and such.
I can only see Pistoleers / Swordsman / Bounty Hunters (pistol) using dual wield. Teras Kasi maybe too (two Vibroknucklers). Fencers is only arguable if you have an offhand shorter weapon and I doubt that was what the devs had in mind.
Let me show you some pictures taken from one historical fencing manual. This is a FENCING manual from Camillo Agrippa, one of the fencing masters of the 16th centuary.
http://www.aemma.org/onlineResources/agrippa/agrippa25.htm
http://www.aemma.org/onlineResources/agrippa/agrippa35.htm
http://www.aemma.org/onlineResources/agrippa/agrippa40.htm
Now check out this page
http://www.geology.buffalo.edu/~etb/histdocs.html
This shows what all of the different instructors and fencers from the 16th and 17th century taught and believed.
Notice that Giacomo di Grassi believed in using daggers in the off-hand. In his writings "True Art of Defense" he instructs his students on how to wield a single rapier, a rapier and dagger, how to handle two rapiers (called case of rapiers), and other forms of rapier combat.
Achille Marozzo taught people to use single dagger, single sword, sword and buckler, case of swords, sword and cloak, and sword and dagger.
Henry de Sainct-Didier, Vincentio Salviolo, and Joseph Swetnam all believed in using the off hand one way or another in an offensive or defensive manner.
These are real fencing masters and instructors. Sorry for the history lesson but I really wanted to show that fencers indeed used two swords or other items in their left hands. Modern fencing is a sport that I have done for years. It is not the traditional form of fencing combat.
While I have not done the research on pirates, one would be foolish to think they only used a single sword. I can imagine other things in their off hands too (chains, cloaks, and even a single shot pistol).
Fencers definately deserve the right to dual wield.
Rylux wrote:http://www.aemma.org/onlineResources/agrippa/agrippa25.htm
http://www.aemma.org/onlineResources/agrippa/agrippa35.htm
http://www.aemma.org/onlineResources/agrippa/agrippa40.htm
Sorry, forgot to say that these pictures from the manual show someone fencing with both a sword and dagger.
