Fencer Archive
Thread: duel wield?
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Shinjo_Kanzaki
Wed Mar 24, 2004 8:57 pm
#53
Nikolai_Xavierov wrote:Uhm, fencing is one-hand weapon fighting. Aka sabre and foil. You cant even use TWO hands let alone two weapons. Why are they bastardizing this class? It's bad enough you guys use batons and sticks as opposed to bladesIt's one thing if they cant follow continuity, its another if they can't follow simple english.It's even in their own system, notice all the 1h before all your specials. Kind of obvious dont you think?Only people who should get dual wield are swordsman and pistoleer. And bounty hunters..(pistols)
well right now the best weapon for a fencer is a baton, unarmed uses vks, and the prefered weapon of master swordsmen is a hammer. -shrug- so who can guess what the devs have in mind.
DarkNexus1014
Wed Mar 24, 2004 10:35 pm
#54
I'm part scottish (which part, I'm not sure) and went with my family to a scottish thingamabob... a meeting, you know. They had claymores there for show. I tried picking one up. MAN it is tough to use it with TWO hands... I can't imagine trying to hold it in one. Of course, fencers don't use 6-ft long swords either... /shrug
Mistwaver
Wed Mar 24, 2004 11:49 pm
#55
Why should Swordsman get dual wield? It would be practically impossible.They are aTWO-HANDED weapon profession, when both of your hands are occupied on one sword (or hammer), it's kind of hard to wield a second weapon.
Ryyger
Thu Mar 25, 2004 1:12 am
#56
One thing to note is, naming aside, 1-handed swords were rarely used with an open off-hand. Now, a guy with two broadswords is clearly a creation of Hollywood or at the very best an impractical art by the strongest of soldiers.
A far more practical solution, assuming throwing up a shield is getting obscenely too fantasy-ish, would be a vibroblade or survival knife in the offhand. Something small, easily held, but sharp and sturdy enough to be useful.
As said in Starfighters of Adumar (X-Wing series book 9) the art of swordfighting becomes stylized, with proper conduct and blade against blade. Which is why the reigning champion was a girl barely out of her teens who studied swordplay, not the art of the sword. She used secondary weapons like daggers, terrain. It is a valid tactic. Fencing is fine if you're putting on a show.
Then there are those that want to win.
Finally, to rap this up, certifications for dual wield should be spread out to mirror the first certs. Only the Master should be able to wield a curved sword on the off, but knives should be accessible fairly early on.
A far more practical solution, assuming throwing up a shield is getting obscenely too fantasy-ish, would be a vibroblade or survival knife in the offhand. Something small, easily held, but sharp and sturdy enough to be useful.
As said in Starfighters of Adumar (X-Wing series book 9) the art of swordfighting becomes stylized, with proper conduct and blade against blade. Which is why the reigning champion was a girl barely out of her teens who studied swordplay, not the art of the sword. She used secondary weapons like daggers, terrain. It is a valid tactic. Fencing is fine if you're putting on a show.
Then there are those that want to win.
Finally, to rap this up, certifications for dual wield should be spread out to mirror the first certs. Only the Master should be able to wield a curved sword on the off, but knives should be accessible fairly early on.
DarkNexus1014
Thu Mar 25, 2004 7:55 am
#57
Ever seen the anime Berserk? There is a swordsman who carries a very large sword. He fights a fencer at one point, and the fencer beats him badly. However, after 3 years, he gains tremendous strength, agility, and experience. He duels the fencer again, the fencer goes to parry, and the swordsman uses his strength to shatter the small blade.
Just something to think about 
Ryyger
Thu Mar 25, 2004 8:35 am
#58
That is certaintly a possibility, IF the fencer is dumb enough to BLOCK the heavier sword. While, in theory, infinate strength on the heavy blade is going to break the sword, the laws of physics favor a light PARRY that, not opposed to the movement of the opponent, will none the less move it to the side.
Specifically, the movement on one axis is entirely independent to movement in the other. If a fighter has put that much effort to bringing the blade DOWN, it is fairly simple to parry it and force it to the LEFT so all he hits is dirt. And since you're using a faster blade and wern't commited to the parry to the degree he tried to strike, your rapier is at his throught before his sword is back in the air.
Anime. For all its triumphs, tis a bad source for combat tactics.
Specifically, the movement on one axis is entirely independent to movement in the other. If a fighter has put that much effort to bringing the blade DOWN, it is fairly simple to parry it and force it to the LEFT so all he hits is dirt. And since you're using a faster blade and wern't commited to the parry to the degree he tried to strike, your rapier is at his throught before his sword is back in the air.
Anime. For all its triumphs, tis a bad source for combat tactics.
TechnoHic
Thu Mar 25, 2004 12:08 pm
#59
Ryyger wrote:
Anime. For all its triumphs, tis a bad source for combat tactics.
Aye, and dispite me liking "Highlander", you dont really parry with a katana as you would brake your blade if hit right, also, that was where thye came up with psys (Spelling?). Just cath the sword strike, twist, and your opponent has no weapon. The real use was to dodge, but pary with a rapier but you would just dodge if you were skilled and see someone sswinging a claymore at you.
I personally think really they could do dual wield for any profession that has smaller weapons involved, obviously not pikeman and if your using 2 hands for 1 sword you are not going to use another, but with their continual effort to balance things, Id say they would come up with new weapons or add major disadvantages for obvious advantages.
Awon
Thu Mar 25, 2004 8:57 pm
#60
Ryyger your assuming hes swinging the blade strait down what hes swinging the blade across his body. So if he dousnt dodge it or his sword better be able to hold the wieght.
Ryyger
Thu Mar 25, 2004 9:14 pm
#61
If he's swinging it laterally you parry it down and step back. That's even simpler because you have this thing called gravety on your side.
Remember: a parry is not a block. Blocking is a direct strength vs. strength collision. Parrying is nudging the opponent's blade off course so it misses you entirely.
Remember: a parry is not a block. Blocking is a direct strength vs. strength collision. Parrying is nudging the opponent's blade off course so it misses you entirely.
Awon
Fri Mar 26, 2004 12:07 am
#62
But a blade of massive size like the ones the swordsman proffesion uses it would just hit your legs. At my school they always told me if someone was to swing a blade of that size move the hell out of the way and dont attepmt to parry/block it.
Ryyger
Sat Mar 27, 2004 1:38 am
#63
Both tactics are valid, depending on the sword you're holding. A foil ain't gonna do crap. A rapier or sabre has a chance at it, depending on how the blade is coming at you.
atat9619
Sat Mar 27, 2004 9:09 pm
#64
Ok lets compare SWG to KOTOR.In the KOTOR u can use 2 virbroblades.A vibroblade is a fencer weapon.Also every weapon in KOTOR that is a melee not including hands and lightsabers is a type of fencer weapon.So it makes sense that fencers get dual wield.
Ryyger
Sat Mar 27, 2004 9:36 pm
#65
Or we can compare SWG to JK1, saying that 'Tusken Raiders' is not a nickname but a proper name in direct contrast to Fort Tusken. Or SWG to JKA, pointing out that rancors can kill Jedi almost instantly. Or the books to the movies.
StarWars is a vibrant continuity but has more than a few glitches in continuity. You can cite page and verse and still be wrong.
StarWars is a vibrant continuity but has more than a few glitches in continuity. You can cite page and verse and still be wrong.
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