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Thread: Bleed stacking
Randonb
Thu Jun 17, 2004 10:01 pm
#40
Hehe, from my pre-correspondent days.
Well, something changed. They stack in both PvE and PvP. 
I wasn't able to find a Modified Republic Blaster to see how the built in DOT interacts with the bleeds.
I wasn't able to find a Modified Republic Blaster to see how the built in DOT interacts with the bleeds.It's easily testable. Fire both, make sure they hit, and /peace. If 2 numbers float up, they are stacking. This is what I saw.
Message Edited by Randonb on 06-18-2004 12:16 AM
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ViolentAngel
Thu Jun 17, 2004 10:15 pm
#41
Bounty Hunters especially.
FireShot burns Health, and HealthShot2 bleeds Health, they stack and BHs are rightly feared for it.
BZebub
Thu Jun 17, 2004 10:49 pm
#42
if they do, randon, then can we get some dev info here? they never told us that they reversedthe bleed nerf.
BZebub
Thu Jun 17, 2004 11:04 pm
#43
they've changed bleeds a few times, and one of the updates nerfed bleed stacking.
(added initial hit damage)
(made initial hit damage targeted pool)
(nerfed stacking of bleeds)
(etc.)
Datchery
Thu Jun 17, 2004 11:12 pm
#44
Right, I know they made it hit specifically health (or mind/action depending on prof.) but I never noticed the stacking of the 'bleed' tic going away (It happened while I was a master bounty hunter and I would bleed 5-6 different things then pull out the LLC so I had alot of time to notice how different tics happened....did they do something else after that?
BZebub
Thu Jun 17, 2004 11:19 pm
#45
apparently after they nerfed bleed stacking, they unnerfed it. it was in effect for awhile at least - i remember using the multibleed tactic for a time, then it wouldn't work after it was nerfed. i haven't tried it in a long time since then, so the stealth unnerf passed me by.
Coreena
Fri Jun 18, 2004 3:54 am
#46
I tested it yesterday in a /duel with someone.
HS1 with a scoutblaster, then HS2 with a Scoutblaster, switch to mod. republic, and hit for a normal shot then wait for the bleeds.
3 bleeds popped up short afterwards, so HS1+HS2+Mod.Rep bleeds do all stack in PvP
WerrtZer
Fri Jun 18, 2004 5:35 am
#47
Coreena wrote:
I tested it yesterday in a /duel with someone.
HS1 with a scoutblaster, then HS2 with a Scoutblaster, switch to mod. republic, and hit for a normal shot then wait for the bleeds.
3 bleeds popped up short afterwards, so HS1+HS2+Mod.Rep bleeds do all stack in PvP
Coreena speaks the truth.
To whoever it was asking about the Mod RB: the "Strength" is stat of the bleed (105), but the poll it targets is Health.
To all those saying this and that was nerfed: the only thing that was nerfed about bleeds was the damage they do per tick and the ability of them to incap. Instead it was changed that they did greater initial damage but that the bleed itself did only a fraction of the initial hit damage. Later it was changed so that healthshots targeted Health pool only (not really a nerf in my eyes).
Morath360
Fri Jun 18, 2004 6:27 am
#48
WerrtZer wrote:
Coreena wrote:
I tested it yesterday in a /duel with someone.
HS1 with a scoutblaster, then HS2 with a Scoutblaster, switch to mod. republic, and hit for a normal shot then wait for the bleeds.
3 bleeds popped up short afterwards, so HS1+HS2+Mod.Rep bleeds do all stack in PvP
Coreena speaks the truth.
To whoever it was asking about the Mod RB: the "Strength" is stat of the bleed (105), but the poll it targets is Health.
To all those saying this and that was nerfed: the only thing that was nerfed about bleeds was the damage they do per tick and the ability of them to incap. Instead it was changed that they did greater initial damage but that the bleed itself did only a fraction of the initial hit damage. Later it was changed so that healthshots targeted Health pool only (not really a nerf in my eyes).
Well, I tested it and it didnt seem to work. In any event what kind of tick were you getting from all 3 in pvp. My bleed tick is horrid not worth the shot. Can you tell me if you got a decent tick what you used?
Message Edited by Morath360 on 06-18-2004 06:29 AM
Cairne101
Fri Jun 18, 2004 6:37 am
#49
Yesterday I decided to work my way back up to Master Marksman for the hell of it, and I picked up a modified E-11 carbine. It was also fitted with an inducer, or whatever it is called, the same piece that is fitted onto a Modified Republic Blaster to give it the automatic bleed effect.
I checked under the "bleed type" field, and it said "Health."
I think this lends some credence to my suspicion that that field is telling you specifically which stat the bleed is going to be attached to, not the potency of the bleed as has been suggested. "Health" is pretty untranslatable to me as a designation of bleed potency.
Therefore, if our HealthShot bleeds target the primary stat of Health specifically, and the Mod Republic Blaster targets thesecondary stat of Strength specifically, these two bleeds should stack.
I am going to get my wife to duel with me tonight and I'm gonna "put the bleeds on her" (she hates it when I say that over TeamSpeak - "Gonna put the bleeeed on 'em") and test this once and for all. I'm going to use the suggested system of monitoring the "ticks," looking for different values, to indicate two separate bleeds in action.
I'll also try /peace after I throw one shot with the Mod Rep Blaster and a HealthShotwith my DX2 on her, heal the bleeds, and then try HS1 and HS2 and see what that does. Heck, I'll also try hitting her with all three. I hope she doesn't scream "wife abuse."
We just need to experiment through this, and we should have the answer soon enough. Perhaps some other people with Mod Rep Blasters could replicate this experiment and see what results they come up with, as well?
Morath360
Fri Jun 18, 2004 6:50 am
#50
LOL... good wifey.. I have a modified RB. I will try to be diligent and give it another try. It still is usless though if the ticks are tiny.. I hope we can get it up to 100 per tick overall that would make it worth it too me in pvp..
Coreena
Fri Jun 18, 2004 7:45 pm
#51
Well the bleed from the rep. blaster was 105, thats not really uber but not totally crap...
The 2 dots from HS1 and 2 where around 20 or 30... so not really worth it...
And my Mod. Rep. Blaster states the dot as follows:
Type: Bleeding (ok, should be pretty obvious)
Attribute: Health (the pool that is attacked by the dot)
Strength: 105 (the strength of the bleed, namely 105 to the Healthpool, has nothing to do with the strenght attribute)
Duration, potency and Usesare obvious as well.
So i don't really understand where you are all so confused about that it doesn't target strength but health...
ROBO1964
Fri Jun 18, 2004 11:21 pm
#52
From the attack descriptions I believe its Health Shot 1 and 2 that bleeds the secondaries as it says something about those messing up the regaen rate and usage rates and thats the secondary stats.