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Seems many people here are in favor of dual wielding. Actually its quite a common fighting style at my knowledge. Very easy to find related materials in Hong Kong.

But I'm not here to argue about dual wielding, since many of you here seem having deeper knowledge and read alot more about it than me. I want to point out one thing: dual wielding does not give you better overall damage or accuracy or defense. Certain weapons do give you better offense or defense when dual wielding, but so do one handed.

Actually, the time necessary to swing an off hand weapon is same as you swing second time of your primary weapon. Although you wielding two weapons, you do not often have the chance to swing them toward your opponent simultaneously. When you swing your weapon, its not only your arm moved, your body also has to move, so its impossible to hit your target with off hand in the same round if they are not swing simultaneously initially. And of course, even you successfully hit your target with both weapons at the same time, it will never as hard as using one hand only.

With only few exceptions, whips, chains and the like that are not solid object do not fall into this restriction, but its another story.

The dual wielding concept from EQ is not correct. Dual wield two guns is far more normal in real life, it don't need any extra skills . In view of possible game aspect, maybe you could be dual wield if you master both fencer and teras kasi, you deserve it for the high cost. Actually fencer gain combat equilibrium skill for using one hand only, other than us only teras kasi have it. And we have best defense vs posture change and knockdown attack, oh yeah and alertness.

Everything should fit in our free second hand already added to our skill tree.

C.Jack
Black sash of Karate art

The Best Weapon for Dual Wielding is your Fists

ThinHutt = TEH WINNAR!

Kali Escrima is an ancient Fillipean martial art using two handed sticks, swords, machetes, and various other weapons.

http://www.martialartsresource.com/anonftp/pub/eskrima/digests/fmafaq.htmfor some info on it...

I may have been exaggerating when I said that escrima was a core part of Jeet Kune Do, and that's because I wrote it all in a rush. Let me reword that. Kali/Escrima/Arnis principles like zoning are part of Jeet Kune Do, as it is a blend of several styles, analyzed and modified to bring out maximum effectiveness. Wing Chun was the basis since that's Bruce Lee's original style, but you'll find Muay Thai moves, Pentjak Silat, and a slew of moves from other schools in there. And Jeet Kune Do is not all about counterattack. It's "The Way of the Intercepting Fist" and you don't have to wait for a punch to land before intercepting it. Basically we're taughtbasic moves and as you go higher up you learn to be infinitely adaptable. Not just being able to repeat somebody else's movements back at them, but to improve upon them and bring out their maximum efficiency in the same fight.

I think rapier and daggerare a MUST for this profession. One can only hope that, in the future, we'll be given a better variety of weapons, and weapon combinations....

Seena

Dual wielding? No..

That would kind of DEFY the name of this Profession..have you ever heard of a Fencer whom used TWO blades?

I may be wrong..but i think fencer in general is a one blade profession, and a high class one at that.

We aren't simply warriors whom use swords..we are Fencers.

You cannot fence with two swords!

Just a few thoughts:

Sheilds - let us have them. they would rock.

Dual-Weilding - If they implemented it, it would have to be a very high level skill (unlike in EQ, where Warriors get it early). In the SW realm, we can gather that only the highest skills swordsmen are able to pull this off.

I would be happy enough if they sixed wielding one sword, never mind two.

Make that "fixed," not "sixed." Must remember to finish my coffee before posting.

I don't care about all the Real Life comparaison stuff... I couldn't care less if Fencer, as defined in the dictionary or history, doesn't talk about shields and DW. I actually find it quite irritating that there are so many people using real life examples to justify things in the game.

That being said, in my opinion, weilding two swords or sword/shield would be an awesome addition to the game! But I wouldn't get my hopes up.

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I may be wrong..but i think fencer in general is a one blade profession, and a high class one at that.

We aren't simply warriors whom use swords..we are Fencers.

You cannot fence with two swords>>

That is not correct. Rapier and dagger was widely practiced in the 16th and 17th century.

Seena

I guess this is just a sign that I have too little to do today at work. But I just remember that in Romeo and Juliet productions the Mercutio/Tybalt and Tybalt Romeo duels always had them using a short weapon in the left hand. So I looked up fencing on google and low and behold found this kind of interesting fencing manual from the 1700s by someone named Giacomo DeGrassi. He talks about using daggers with a rapier.THe text is actually kind of fun to read.I guess the point is that one weapon may be what the sport of fencing uses but fencing back when it was used for fighting used cloaks, little shield called bucklers and daggers in the left hand. There are also little sections on using two rapiers, two handed swords and pikes.

:: back when it was used for fighting used cloaks, little shield called bucklers and daggers in the left hand. There are also little sections on using two rapiers, two handed swords and pikes.::

Actually, lantern was also used. If you'd like to see nearly all these variations *remarkably* represented, pick up the movies "The Three Musketeers", and "The Four Musketeers" (The 70's versions- with Oliver Reed, Michael York, Richard Chamberlain, and Charlton Heston). Not only are these films timeless, but the fight choreography, by William Hobbs, is recognized as some of the most 'authentic' there is.

hehheh oh.. and btw,, Mr Hobbs trained *my* Fencing Master.. : )

Seena

maybe duel wielding could only be used by a master fencer since he is a "Blade Master"

and the shields could be used when novice and u get better and better with it