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Chalrhynn

Fri Apr 23, 2004 9:12 pm

SilusGeoni wrote:

I agree with the above statement almost in whole. but not quite....

In the Expanded Universe there are mention of Dual weilding... such as Exar Kun(not sure on the spelling on the last name...but it mentions in the the jedi acadmey series.) And then Of course we have Episode 2 where Anakin used 2 lightsabers( i know thats not EU) And i belive there was one or 2 more instances, but over all there was little to base the dual wield one, saddly.

ok thats my 2bits.

silus

hello i was once a ranger and dropped to go rifleman above statement is true all wookiee berzerkers dual wielded ryyk blades so i if this is implemented i would go back fencer in a micro-second

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Brainplay

Sat Apr 24, 2004 4:47 am

#41

Some of you are getting the name "fencer" confused with modern day "fencing". Fencer was a term regulated to anyone who used a long bladed weapon. That included both one and two handed versions and was used pretty much across the world in one language or another. Rapiers were about the last actual swords used in europe as a primary weapon in real combat and thus the most known to us today (sabers are a varied form of rapiers) especially now that the new "sporting" version of it has garnered favor withing the upper class. Then again your average rapier was a real cut and draw sword who's techniques put more emphasis on cut and draw strokes than piercing. Japanese daishi also known as katana by the 16th century were a type of **edit** sword meaning they could be wielded with oneOR two hands. Chinese and korean were strictly 1 handers (along with shields) although like the japanese they had some heavy 2 handers used by specialists.

Before them the use of two swords or two weapons are recorded every so often in history. The problem is that it requires a degree of ambidexterity that takes years and years of practice to learn in order to attack effectively with both hands as well as defend. It is still easier to use a single attacking sword and a shield of some type (buckler or scudum) as it requires less movements and footwork. Throw in some real life and you'll see that shields are cheap but swords are not. Add in the fact that in real melee engagements other factors like arrows, rocks, chinese dart rockets, and other projectile weapons were extremely hard to defend against if using 2 single swords. That was overcome by heavy armors that all nations eventually developed but at the same time did away with single swords since they weren't as effective against metal plate (euro)or metal scale (asian) unless on horseback which gave an advantage (plus swinging a polearm off of a horse is haaaard). Yes I'm afraid to say that it took alot more effort to cleave through those armors with a 1 hand sword than a 2 handed sword or polearm (I still believe ALL of our weaps should have AP1 since 2h and pike get AP2)

Now in comes our gaffi and headbeaters..err stun batons. Anyone ever heard of a mace? Yes yes I know what some of you are thinking but then you're still relating to those skin tight socks up to their knees wire weenies...uhh modern day fencers. Every nation developed a form of a mace and it was strictly a one handed weapon. Well the japs developed an oversized spiked baseball bat but lets get back on track. There are many instances where a 1 handed sword is paired with a mace. In fact it is frequently recorded as part of many medieval tournaments (before and after they became non-lethal events) and was a favorite for some chinese heavy infantry. The attacks and finesse are almost the same except thatcompletely missing a target was a bad bad thing to do and poking an opponent would get questionalble looks. Ok thats the gaffi. Stun batons are just a baton with a type of energised stun field surrounding it. Basically a stick...but a lightweight and very manuverable one. If any of you have been trained as a type of police officer (or been on the recieving end) then try comparing PR-24 and ASP training to fencer moves. Once again the comparisons are incredibly close. Blocks, parries, flurries, jabs (pr-24 only), and footwork/stances are all the same.

Hope this explains a few things to everyone who hasn't actually studied eastern and western martial arts.

p.s.- BRING BACK CORELLIAN ICE CREAM!!! I WANT ICE CREAM BACK IN THIS GAME!!

Keorythe

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A Combat Medic Alpha tester who never got the chance to alpha test

Brainplay

Sat Apr 24, 2004 5:46 am

#42

Oh and to answer a few more questions:

Attacking an object or person with the same type of maneuver on each of your hands does take the exact amount of time to do it with just a single sword. However, a single sword is limited to a maneuvering attack range. Example: You can only attack from the right with a regular swing but you must reach across your own body to attack the left. Wielding a weapon in each hand means you cannot make the same attack but you can attack with a different maneuver especially against areas that an opponent rendered vulnerable when deflecting you primary attack.

Example: You and I are in combat. You hold a single sword. I hold two. I make an offbody slash to your head (kind like backhanding you..but with a sword). You block my attack. In that split second our swords are tangled while I'm launching a stabbing attack at your abodomen. You must now rush to move your sword from an entangled block position to either block or parry my incoming attack to your abodomen. Even if manage to block or parry that attack I've now taken control of the fight and you are stuck reacting to my attacks which all fighting style masters will agree is the path to losing that fight. Two handed sword fighting (also known as flourentine in the SCA community) is meant to be an extreme offensive style of fightingrelying flourishes and trying to make your opponentfall into a defensive style. M. Musashi applied extensive offensive tactics although many of you confuse his multiple opponent tactics with his one on one.

Next: jeet kun do has only been around for roughly 40yrs and was master Bruce Lee's attempt at combining many of the best traits from various forms of kung fu and wingshun (ms?). Arnis/escrima/kali etc etc was actually a variation of wingshun double blade fighting brought from the mainland (that would be china) which has existed in one form or another for like a thousand years...although they'd kick your butt before they'd admit it.

Why not bucklers? Small, very little weight, around since roman times, good only vs. melee attacks.

Real swords dont weight as much as you think. Dont compare a folded high carbon steel blade to a ground down block of stainless steel. Stainless is much heavier but you lazy bums dont have to oil it every week. Real fencers were physically conditioned to wield their swords, it was their profession. Unlike many of you burger boys or desk jockeys who'll never have to wield a real sword in a real fight your life doesn't depend on it and thats a factor you cant simulate very well.

Whips and chains were specialist weapons and rarely seen on a battle and more in personal duels. To easy to render useless in a fight after the first attack. Keep those in the...uh place where little kids dont have to know about.

Nerf TKM or give us meditate and a knockdown (they getlunge too ya know). Eastern unarmed martial arts are overrated and in reality were a last ditch defense against any weapon. Thanks Hollywood for the screwup. If someone says different they're trying to sell you something.

Keorythe

h Combat Medic h

/Forcing Counterstrike PvPers to PvE since 2003 \

A Combat Medic Alpha tester who never got the chance to alpha test

sithboy2000

Sat Apr 24, 2004 6:10 pm

#43

Ya they are giving fencers and pistoleers duel weild. They already have the motion capture for these two skills. Lucky me I am a pistoleer and fencer

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Confusion12345

Sat Apr 24, 2004 11:01 pm

#44

Chalrhynn, I guess you just didn't want this thread to die?

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spoonieman

Sun Apr 25, 2004 5:50 pm

#45

hi all must say looking on thw whole thread good debate but i must say personaly i do wish that duel weilding does come out in the near future as a fencer myself i think that an extra sword would be an exellent asset to our skills or a shield for defence.

in the films there are momens of duel weilding when anakin fights count dooku in episode 2 clone wars.also in the game star wars jedi night there is a fight that you have to face against an unknown dark jedi female ..she uses 2 red lightsabers against you.

just had to put my 2 pence in..cya

MadcowwithSARS

Tue Apr 05, 2005 10:45 pm

#46

I heard rumors of this long ago of it may being implimented in the CU. Now is there any truth to this? Mind you i heard this about 4 months ago along with pistoleers and fencers dual weilding. If i am mistaken please disregard but im sure i heard of this somewere.

"No botha de' Jabba"

- Cant Wait till Grumpy People Quit I Like NGE

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Ananais2

Tue Apr 05, 2005 10:46 pm

#47

they have said its something they would like to add in the future a few times, they specificaly said it wont be in the CU tho

Oscia

Tue Apr 05, 2005 10:48 pm

#48

I highly, HIGHLY doubt this will be implimented in the CU

There has been no sign of it from the devs and was not present in the tef files

I dont think they have time to reconfigure the LS for duel wielding in time for the CU release

I hope they would do it sooner than later tho, that would be really cool.

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MadcowwithSARS

Tue Apr 05, 2005 10:52 pm

#49

I know it would help to lessen the blow that they are about to deliver, from the vibes im getting. I am only a budding padawan so i think i am luckier then a full template -10mil xp knight facing the prospects of not being able to respec till the -10mil is gone and they regrind or get to reassign skills. This is the only thing i have i guess.

"No botha de' Jabba"

- Cant Wait till Grumpy People Quit I Like NGE

Carp-L Tunnel (Former MWS/MM/MA now Master gimp)

seboj

Tue Apr 05, 2005 10:53 pm

#50

I vote for getting the one saber to work the way it should first.

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MadcowwithSARS

Tue Apr 05, 2005 10:54 pm

#51

well im all for that definatly, i dont think they know how it works. Every SW Geek who has read the technical schematic book knows how a lightsaber works. If you can cut through the belly of an AT-AT in 1 swipe im sorry no armor a person can wear will save you.

Message Edited by MadcowwithSARS on 04-05-2005 10:55 PM

"No botha de' Jabba"

- Cant Wait till Grumpy People Quit I Like NGE

Carp-L Tunnel (Former MWS/MM/MA now Master gimp)

ubergun

Tue Apr 05, 2005 11:29 pm

#52

MadcowwithSARS wrote:

I heard rumors of this long ago of it may being implimented in the CU. Now is there any truth to this? Mind you i heard this about 4 months ago along with pistoleers and fencers dual weilding. If i am mistaken please disregard but im sure i heard of this somewere.

I saw it in a wish list that is all.

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