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i dont think that a fencer can beat a swordsamn in pvp all the swordsamn needs to do is used a 2Handed curved headhit three then switch to the powerhammer and finish you unless they can oneshot with the power hammer if so then scratch the 2 handed curved and they one shot us ive seen one of these guys hit for 9k pve and he wasnt a master we are just above pikemen....... but i like fencer when im not lagging =D we are the best pve cause we can tank or so i think

"In Japanese, "kensai" is a wise wife, a man of talent, a certain kind of bond, or the act of something spanning over several prefectures. The word that you want is "kensei", one who is devoted to the way of the sword. I chose "wise wife" because it is the most humorous.

IIIRCthe word "kensai" applying to a swordsman appeared in the AD&D sourcebook "Oriental Adventures" by Gary Gygax."

Are you Japanese? I am, but I haven't lived in Japan for about 3 years now. "Kensei" just means "student of the sword". In 20 years of life in Japan I only heard "Kensei" used to describe Kendo students.

Kensaiis the word used for someone who is very good at sword. It is the "man of talent" definition you choose. It is archaic though and isn't used much today. But if you want an example of real source using "Kensai", the final chapter of Rurouni Kenshin uses it in Yahiko's fight with Kenji.

yahiko ha kenji ni"massagu tenbun no kensai" to iu.

cool tanx and though i am not japanese i am of minor interest into the weps ad combat styles related to tem. I did get it from D&D and whe we get duekl -wield ill be canging to te Legen of the Five Rings ad tryig to chage to a mirimoto fightig style and using terms from there.

again thanx for the input...

"wield ill be canging to te Legen of the Five Rings ad tryig to chage to a mirimoto fightig style and using terms from there."

The style catagory is "Niten Ryu". Read Miyamoto Musashi's "Book of Five Rings", that is where the style come from (and the name of that game I think). There are many english version.

better then swordsmen? with an average powerhammer on darktroopers not KD'd i can get up to 11k damage and a usual of 8k

ofcourse because of crons im forced to go fencer and make use of the best of bnoth worlds now :/

It would be very very possible for a heavy swordsman. I am only a 0/3/0/1 heavy swordsman, but with my powerhammer, i consistantly hit for about 4500 in pve with 2h headhit3. And coupled with a mindbleed (normally bleeds for 1500), i can take out most things very quickly, be it pvp or pve.

I tried fencing as well, and (dont know where you people are getting such rediculous damage outputs) I was unable to do anywhere near the same damage. The only advantage I can see with fencer, is that you have far better range mods on your weapons (such as my powerhammer with its -42 mod).

As far as speed goes, I have almost reached my speed cap with my powerhammer.

Hi,

You are seeing this from a wrong point of view. Although we can only have 1000-3000 per hit even at Master Fencer, we can dish that much damage over short period of time. I can probably hit 2-3 time before a heavy swordsman can take a swing at a mynock or something. That is 3000-9000 damage. Note also during which time, we can dizzy, blind, bleed, or lunge by the time a heavy swordsman can swing once at a mynock or something. This fact, you know, is essential for our survival.

For PvPing, probably the same can be said. Before a heavy swordsman can land a blow to a fencer, a fencer MAY be able completely disable a heavy swordsman so that s/he can no long land any blow. However, note I added "MAY." Do this poorly and you will die no matter how fast you can swing ye sword.

Notice simple spamming does not work for us. We must be smart about our specials. I suppose, one of the requirement for being a successful fencer is to know which time to use which specials to which opponents.

Qui'lu of Chilastra

the problem is i can hit at the speed cap of 1/second not using specials and do 1k per attack while u have to use specials to do the same amount of damage at the same speed :/

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BoyOfLight wrote:
the problem is i can hit at the speed cap of 1/second not using specials and do 1k per attack while u have to use specials to do the same amount of damage at the same speed :/

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Hi,

With normal attack, I think I can hit the same damage. But that's not a point. With that few hit, I can dizzy, blind and lunge. Being tricky is a fencer's virtue. However, the coolest part of heavy swordsman is that you can area posture change mobs. I wish I had that. (Plus you can fight armored target far far far better than we ever can. Then again, I avoid those targets entirely. I suppose everyone has good things and bad things. We all adjust to our limitations so we can fully take advantage of what we have.)

Qui'lu of Chilastra

P.S. It buffles my mind how I could accurately attack people's head with a large sledge hammer or a long broad sword. I would go straight to the body because it's gonna be really hard to aim with all the weight.

Fencers vs PH wielding Master Swordsman.... = Dead Swordsman.

Simple fact that PH with it's range modifiers means they hardly ever hit..

And if they do it's for nothing against aMaster Fencer because of his Melee Defence.

Sorry but if you as a Master Heavy Swordsman want to take on a Fencer (worth his salt)you gotta switch to Two Handed Curved Sword or Cleaver.

I tested this over a couple days with a Heavy Swordsman Master after the big patch... and it was 15 to 2 in my favor with the Master Heavy Swordsman useing his Powerhammer, it was 5 to 6 when he put on his Two Handed Curved Sword.

Me w/ Stun Baton and no Armor vs Him with PH and full comp = 15 to 2

Me w/ Gad Baton and no Armor vs Him with 2hd curved and full comp = 5 to 6

If I got a set of 80% Comp or 70% Ubese I would have killed him every time.

To the person who said they couldnt hit for anything over 900 when 1/0/1/4 thats because the real big damage moves are at tiers 3 and 4.

PvP wise i do very well considering im only 3/4/3/4, against any ranged users i pretty much always come out ontop. (im master brawler too, so i just hit CoB, burst and kd at 13m range to kiters, then dizzy blind and sai tok them to death.)

Against 2h swordsman being zabrak is what has saved me the few times they do land the mind bleed before i can kd/lunge, in which case i can just kd/dizzy blind bleed1/2, equil, then work on nursing my bleed down while default hitting.

cant wait for 1h hit3, seen it do some awesome damage i.e. 3k+.

after the cron telling me to o fencer i see no benifits aside from defense for even going to these lines. At novice swordsmen i was hitting3-4k damage on a specials im a 1-0-1-4 fencer and i cant seem to hit over 900, at master swordsmen ur accuracy mod doesnt matter with the ph and its range isnt too bad, though :/

Awon -

I don't think it is that bad. I think fencers are meant to use specials often. Look at the HAM cost of a power hammer. It should be clear to you that they "have to" use normal attack. On the other hand, our vibroblade or even our gaffi baton have low enough HAM enough to chain specials if you so wish.I think if you "properly" play fencer, you can do as well as any heavy swordsman. (Visa Vasa)

But do realize I say "you can do as well as any heavy swordsman." A good heavy swordsman with a curved sword is something to be avoided as much as a skilled fencer or a solid TKM. S/he will have comparable HAM cost with high damage plus medium AP. But, it's bummer that counter attack isgetting bad reviews.

Qui'lu of Chilastra