Fencer Archive
Thread: Fencer is NOT Uber, it's NOT All Powerful, it's NOT Godlike.
Ahem,
A fencer with 90% composite resists, 3 gaff sticks that have 80 STR poison to health, that gets buffed by master doctor, master dancer and master musician is not a Uber Fecner.
He/she is a 'fencer' with 'uber' armor, 'uber' weapons, and 'uber' buffs, but in the end is a fencer.
Here I am in Theed, Petra Zorski.. an accomplished Teras Kasi Master. Theed was bustling with Imperials that day, but I wasn't worried.. I had a suit of special Kinetic Composite with **edit** good resists. Not to mention buffs and plenty of Breath of heaven. After Power-boosting I spotted my first victim, a carbineer. I started my chase, making no effort to avoid the uncoming shots. As I got within' 20 meters I lunged 'em, making them kneel before landing only 1 attack before the were incapped. Promptly deathblowing them I turned to size up my next victim, a Trandoshan in mismatched Composite with a Stun baton. "A Fencer?" I thought to myself, being a fencer in July I had no respect for the class what-so-ever. Finally I was upon them, I lunged them at 20 meters trying to catch him off guard, but he didn't go down. Within' range now I try to use KD2 on the Fencer but that doesn't work either. We start trading off blows.. Slowly I'm watching his HAMs vanish. Then I realize I'm on fire! Ticks start to dwindle my Health bar as the Fencer hammered me down with his stun baton, my composite powerless to stop it.
Anyways, I barely did anything to that fencer. As for the Hybrid thing.. he was also a Master Rifleman.I dont know what your purpose of this post was, just stressed that perhaps you couldn't achieve some of the claims other Fencer's were making? To this TKM I believe Fencer's are more than formidable with the right equipment. Had we both been unarmored I'd probably have trounced him in seconds. As for Fencer's needing a Hybrid I'd say that goes for just about any class. Anyways, thats my experience with a Master Fencer.. Just thought I'd share.
So what is it that makes TKA's deadly and Fencers not so?
Could it be that Fencer's get dodge that works and TKA gets Defense Aquity that doesn't work?
1 point Fencer
How about /center that works when TKA gets a /center that does nothing?
1 point Fencer
How about the ability to do different types of damage when TKA is stuck with 1 type.
1 point Fencer
How about the ability to do a damage type that Composite armor doesn't protect against.
1 point Fencer
How about defensive abilities that STACK with other professions? (I.E. Pistoleer Dodge)
1 point Fencer
Oh TKA can Knockdown/Dizzy.. But Fencer can Area Effect Dizzy and lunge 1 in effect causing a knockdown.. Or they can get master brawler and get a bonified Knockdown.. That is if they haven't spent their points getting Pistoleer so they can be unbeatable.
We'll call thisa TIE
Conclusion.. This post is a pity fest for some very pathetic Fencers. You seem to lack the ability to kill things other people can and have to make yourself feel better by calling all these people liars.
Oh I also forgot..
Maybe it's becasue Fencers get bleeds and TKA doesn't.
1 point fencer
Your ability to do more Armor Piercing than TKA?
1 point fencer
I'm anxious to hear some come backs here.. what would you want NERFED on a TKA? Perhaps their superior ability to meditate the wounds away after you're done killing them? Or maybe Force of Will is just too powerful for you to handle.. hahaha
Maybe it's Fencer's Superior Defense to Posture change and Knockdown that makes TKA so formidable.
That must be it!
Oh yeah did I mention that all bleeds totally overlook armor! Thus it doesn't matter if the TKA is wearing 100% resistant armor to all different damage types.. Each bleed tickmakes it's way through
1 point Fencer
Bleeds do not suffer the 75% PVP damage reduction.
1 point Fencer.
So what were you guys saying again?TKA get like a few more Melee Defense points than you or something? Ah yeah.. That makes them UBER!
CaanonWeathers wrote:
I dont know what your purpose of this post was, just stressed that perhaps you couldn't achieve some of the claims other Fencer's were making?
No, because she can... and without the cheap gimmicks. But since so many rely on the cheap gimmicks, its assumed she uses them too.
Let's say you were on a Baseball team back when the team first formed. The team couldn't afford decent equipment; so you used a broom handle for a bat, a rock wrapped up wad ofduct tape for a ball, and a gardening glove for a mit. You go on like this for months. The vast majority of the team quits due to frustration, but you keep plucking away. You get better and better. Eventually, you get to the point where you have compensated so well for your poor equipment that you can accomplish the same result with crap equipment as other teams do with proper Baseball equipment. In fact, you develop a reputation for your significant skill.
One day the small team gets a sponcer that loves the team. The team now not only gets real Baseball equipment, but some pretty nice stuff. In fact, the new hightech bats are so good that as long as you make contact with the ball, you are nearly guaranteed a homerun. Everyone on the team is offered this new equipment, and everyone starts doing better. You, who did fantastic with a stick and tape-wrapped stone, are now literally amazing.
A few days later an exploit with the new bats is learned. If you unscrew the end cap, and pour in a few ounces of sand, the ball will literally rocket out of the stands. A few rules mungers look it up, and find the rule books don't claim this to be breaking the rules as long as the final weight doesn't exceed so many pounds. Since the bat began so light, it doesn't.
News gets out about what can be done with these bats, and it attracts many new players to the team. In short time it becomes well known that when facing off against this team, the altered bats will make it unuasually tough to beat them. You on the other hand, did not elect to use the altered bat. You thought it cheapened the whole experience for you. The funny thing is, you were already so good... you didn't have to. You could accomplish the exact same thing even without the uber bat.
Now it's turn at bat on the big game day. Here comes the ball, you swing out to meet it with a furious blow, and WACK! It's a homerun! You and the 3 others on base make it in, and the team wins the game. You're completely stoked, and very excited about your honest accomplishment. You are leaving the park and stop to tell a play from an opposing team they played a good game (exhibiting good sportsmanship). You reach out to shake their hand and...
...they look down are your hand and never extend theirs. They look back up at you and say "How can you be happy about winning? With what can be done with this team's bats it was inevitable you would win. You didn't do anything special or honorable." And then they walk off.
Perhaps a poor analogy, but that is close to the feeling we are talking about. Kali is one of those that does great even without all the fluff, but since everyone has it in their head that "all fencers" exploit that stuff, it cheapens the accomplishments of the ones that truely don't.
Not sure if I got my point across, but here's to hoping.
"Fencers you are the new FOTM. . .COME ON DOWN!!!!" (start playing "the price is right" music now)
Welcome rantworld.
While inthis world please be aware that everyone will focus on the fact that they were beaten in PvP by a person with "blademaster" floating above their heads and assume Fencers are overpowered and need a nerf.
Trust me I completely understand what you are saying but do me a favor ok? The next time someone complains about eyeshot and a BH tries to tell you that it's probably a dabbler with BH pistol discipline stacked with pistoleer/smuggler specials and mods but wearing a BH tag. . . try to understand.
On this you are correct. Fencer is not overpowered. Fencer + pistoleer + doc buffs + entertainer buffs + Krayt enhanced sliced composite armor + COB is overpowered.
However the person getting beaten doesn't see that. . . they just see "blademaster" floating above your head. Therefore Fencer is "overpowered" and needs a "nerf"
How about the ability to do different types of damage when TKA is stuck with 1 type
Umm meditation, with the ability to target any HAM pool with the +250 stacked unarmed damage I'd say WE TKA's (I am a TKA master by the way) aren't "stuck" with anything.
Being "stuck" with one damage type is an intended intentional limitation.
Your ability to do more Armor Piercing than TKA?
flat out wrong on that one. Fencers get one, count em one, armor piercing weapon and it's not that good. All others are AP0.
EwokLovinIsGood wrote:
I'm anxious to hear some come backs here...
It would be too easy. No sport.
In fact, I don't know where this all came from. This post isn't an attack on TKs. So why the attack on Fencers? I support MrHeavy's (your Correspondent) issues when he brings them up. I don't want TKs to be nerfed at all. Actually READ what is being said here instead of jumping to conclusions. You might just find that this is somethign that haunts TK as well. How often is it that some player grabs TK, and Doctor, and etc etc... but just claimes to be a TK. Then he goes out and does all these awesome things screaming to the world that any old TK (and just for being TK) can do this. Then comes the cries for nerfs on TK.Does this happen to TK's? Sure does.Do you enjoy it? Heck no. ....unless of course, you were that guy.
flat out wrong on that one. Fencers get one, count em one, armor piercing weapon and it's not that good. All others are AP0.
Stun and Bleeds are not effected by most advanced armor.
No, because she can... and without the cheap gimmicks. But since so many rely on the cheap gimmicks, its assumed she uses them too.
I'm reading this stuff at work and can't give it my full attention so maybe I missed something but I'm confused here. Are you arguing that Fencer is not overpowered because it's the min/maxxers who are actually uber but at the same time Kali can do the same thing as the min/maxers with just fencing skills? My head hurts.
ok ewok here is your response since you think you are so knowledgeable to the fencer proffesion.
1. your first 2 points were redundant, and only made you look like a fool.
2. you made a post refering to armor, and our stun baton. Hmmm... did they delete stun layers from armor?
3. bleeds yup we have bleeds do you know how much damage they deal? oh yup they are pretty much worthless in PvP.
4. comparing TK's KD 2 to fencer dizzy2 and lunge1................................ no response I cant without all in out laughing at you.
5. you are baseing all of your information with CoB, combining skills stacking mods, and comparing that to proffesions that you say CoB is broke on. Well if it is broke how can you compare them? Yup you guessd it you cant acuratly compare.
Let me make this point to you, a fencer is good, a pistoleer/fencer is great. A TKA/fencer/master brawler is great too, and that combo will kill fencer/pistoleer 2-3 times everytime