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Thread: Entertainer Protest Tuesdays Join the Jam for an Entertainer Revamp!

Beery
Fri Jun 18, 2004 7:12 am
#92


"THIS IS NOT THE GOLDEN AGE OF THE JEDI... it doesn't help the fact that in this time period jedi's are fighting from the brink of extinction - not prancing around in a cantina."


Since you bring that up, I have to say I agree with you. This time period is hard on Jedis. So much so that there are ONLY TWO OF THEM (and whether Luke is actually a Jedi yet is debatable). And no - Jedis aren't prancing around in a cantina. In fact, the only fully-fledged Jedi is sitting in a grubby hut on DagobahDOING ABSOLUTELYNOTHING. If you're going to argue that the time period prevents us from having Jedi entertainers, I'll bring up the uncomfortablefact that the time period the game is based in means thatJedis shouldn't be in the game at all (except for one - perhaps two - and only two if your definition for Jedi is VERY loose indeed). You can't have your cake and eat it too. If you have bunches of Jedi Knights out there - completely blowing off the idea that the game exists during its supposed time frame after the destruction of the first Death Star, you have to allow every player to get in on it. You can't say "Yes, hundreds of Jedi should exist after the Death Star blows up, but only the ones who are willing tofight". That's ridiculous. You either have lots of Jedi with all their various specializations, or you only have Luke and Yoda. Which is it to be?


The developers are apparently of your opinion. They want a half-arsed interpretation of a largeJedi presence. They want to subvert the very idea of what the Jedi Order is all about, and they just want to make it into a pathetic sort ofleet utopian ideal. Let's face facts:the Jedi are not supposed to be the SAS or Delta Force. They are an extinct and disbanded police force/university/religious order. If you can't accept that, then you're not really interested in Star Wars - youonly want Jedi because you want a pretty lightsaber so that you can pwn and engage in immature leet-hood.

Message Edited by Beery on 06-18-2004 10:19 AM



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Warryyr
Fri Jun 18, 2004 7:29 am
#93




Drygo wrote:

I have a question for you. I currently only play on two servers...Kettemoor and Tarquinas. On Tuesday I went to the Theed starport on both the servers and didn't find anyone. I didn't know if this was happening all servers, or just a few, or just one. So, for clarification, where is this happening and what server is most likely to get a big crowd? Even though I always feel "naked" when I visit another server because I can only do basic, I think it probably makes more sense to try to consolidate people as much as possible on one, or maybe two servers, in order to get the biggest crowd.






Consolidating would be interesting, but as you said you'd feel naked with just Basic, it would strip some Entertainers of their usual bag of tricks and hinder performances.


However, I agree that a huge group would be interesting. If we could all pool together in Theed on a server, and group in front of the cantina entrance in a huge semi-circle,equip instruments and put up all of our Entertainer tags - then remain completely silent and motionless - it would be awesome. We could all just be in a group and chat in there, but Spatial should remain totally silent. No one should play or dance.


This would eliminate the need to perform, and having all those entertainers motionless and silent in front of the cantina entrance would look quite powerful, i think.


Care to organize that? Someone would have to direct new players to the server, maybe slide some credits their way to travel to Theed and train Novice Entertainer (if they have no entertainer skills on that server already). We could set that up sometime.


Warryyr
Fri Jun 18, 2004 7:38 am
#94




Beery wrote:




I'm all for this,but yesterday reality came and kicked me in the teeth: Someone in Coronet cantina on Tempest notified people about this protest. I dutifully showed up at the appointed place andtime and guess what - no one was there - not a soul (except me)protesting. Apparently, whoever it was who was spending hours spamming the Coronet cantina didn't think it important enough to show up for the actual event. So the result was that I lost 1500 in travel costs, plus time spent, and all I gained wasa lot of annoyance.


In-game protests are a good idea,but if the organizers don't even bother to show up, such a protest is worse than useless. I'm not blaming Warryyr for this - it's certainly not his fault that some flaky person decided to get involved in his idea. But when people decide to advertise for an event, the least they could do is show up for it themselves.

Message Edited by Beery on 06-18-2004 09:47 AM





Oh, I'm very sorry to hear this. I agree with you completely, if someone's going to actively advertise any get-together for whatever reason, the least they can do is show up. Finding yourself alone when you expected some company is a real downer.


If you'd like, you could make a Starsider character and I'll float you some credits to get ya travel and maybe a new outfit or two, and you could join me (and who knows who else) next Tuesday. I'd love to have you visit Starsider and chat about stuff. Let me know, and we can set something up. you can always send me a /tell in-game. just /tell Starsider.Warryyr and it should do the trick.


Beery
Fri Jun 18, 2004 8:06 am
#95
I am totally there! Hehe, I'll get myself organized in time for Tuesday and send you a tell or an email in-game.



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TKMonkey
Fri Jun 18, 2004 9:16 am
#96
I understand exactly where you're coming from but you're still missing the point - yes, the game may be taking liberties with the amount of jedi who are around, but at least the jedi are doing what one would expect from them at this point in time - i.e. fighting for their survival, killing bounty hunters who attack them, aiding their side in the Galactic Civil War due to their superior fighting abilities and furthering their knowledge of their force to be come powerful enough to win their side the galactic civil war, this isn't to say it's all that jedi's are capable of, it's to say this is what Jedi of this era are force to do. That isn't to say that entertainers couldn't theoretically be force sensitive, because it could in a very, very loosely connected way yeah I suppose they could, but then you'd have to be prepared for Storm Troopers to attack you, bounty hunters to try and assassinate you and getting a TEF when ever you perform, say, a superior buff on an imperial player, and as us entertainers are in it for the SOCIAL side now that holo grinding has finished many of us don't have fighting skills and would be pasted - which isn't fun.


I don't mean to make flames here - I just feel that a "protest" over a giving entertainers something stupid like force sensitive options is ridiculous, if you want to be taken seriously then ask for other things such as new dances/songs and better quests, or even better duration on mind buffs. But then - the devs have already commented on this numerous times and have said it IS coming in the future, the combat balance will alter buff strength duration - that's mind buff problem sorted out, hutt casino etc is the content and no doubt when the art team has time to implement more dances or music after the SE - it'll happen. Entertainers aren't being ignored. Entertainers are getting fixed. You just have to be patient, look at Pikemen - those poor guys haven't had love ever since the game was launched where as Entertainers have nice new bots to perform with.

Tralmek
Fri Jun 18, 2004 9:43 am
#97
I think there are a lot of people out there on Galaxies who want to be Jedi for two main reasons. 1: They are powergamers and consider becoming a Jedi Master winning the game. 2: They think that becoming a Jedi will make the game feel more Star Warsie.


Here are some things we know from the expanded universe:

Luke chased half-way across the galaxy simply because he felt the presense of another Jedi. Once he caught up with him, he found out that the guy was insane and had cloned him, but that's another story.

After this, Luke spent years combing the galaxy looking for people who had a little bit of Force sensitivity, yet he only managed to round up 12 (out of 14 he knew about...Mara Jade and Leia had other commitments).

Even after a couple of decades (NJO era) there are only a couple dozen Jedi Masters, and several hundred full Knights.

There was at least one light Jedi Master alive other than Yoda during the Civil war, but Master Ikrit is busy hibernating on Yavin IV during Galaxies' time period.

Corran Horn's father was a Jedi Knight, but as a member of public office (Cor-Sec) he couldn't afford to use his powers on-the-job.


This is not to say there couldn't be Jedi during Galaxies' time period, but it is highly unlikely that they ever come out in publicand they certainly neveruse the Force in public, much less their lightsabers. IMHO the less I see Jedi in Galaxies, the more immersion I feel. Seeing a Jedi totally rips me out of the timeline and is probably worse for me than seeing someone using leet speak.


It is my opinion that if someone's main goal is to become a Jedi or to win a game, that person should go play Jedi Academy or Knights of the Old Republic. Galaxies is not meant to be won, it's meant to be experienced and lived in. Galaxies was touted as being a game for everyone, not just powergamers. Now, it's not my place to tell people how to play a game, but it is very much in my personality to try to let people know what is probably their best bet on having fun.


If someone's idea of fun is the instant gratification of having a Jedi (and thus they are AFK grinding the professions to get there) I would suggest that another game would be better for them, not only because they would have the instant gratification of being a Jedi, but also because when they are AFK grinding, they are destroying other people's gamimg experience.

If your idea of fun is walking into a cantina and being able to find a buff immediately, buffbots are not the answer. It would be a lot more fun if you could walk into a cantina and be presented with a full array of live Entertainers who are there and happy to help you out with your buff instead of walking into someplace filled with a bunch of AFK macrospam and a bunch of NPC's wriggling around on the floor mindlessly performing /flo 1, /flo 2, /flo 3, /flo 4, /flo 5, /flo 6, /flo 7, /flo 8, /flo 1, /flo 2, /flo 3, /flo 4, /flo 5, /flo 6, /flo 7, /flo 8, etcetera.


Okay, I really need to hang up the preacher's hat now, otherwise I could be stuck here for hours.




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Tralmek
Fri Jun 18, 2004 9:58 am
#98




Khristen wrote:

And thanks, Tralmak, for not taking my response as a flame as it wasn't intended to be one I don't necessarily agree with all of your points, but no one ever said we all had to agree! If I misinterpreted anything, I apologize. I didn't realize that's what had happened with the 19 Questions thing. I certainly don't doubt the dedication of any correspondant! I wish I had the energy to do what they do for us all.






Everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion and I totally respecteverything you wrote. Open and honest debate about opinions and viewpoints can never be considered flaming IMHO.Like you say, it's not that we have to agree on everything. And thanks for reaffirming that about the correspondants, I just wanted to make it clear in my post that it was not their fault we had lousy q/a last time from TH.

Message Edited by Tralmek on 06-18-2004 12:07 PM



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TuvarSwaeda
Fri Jun 18, 2004 10:52 am
#99




Beery wrote:

"I agree that in its current state, the entertianer professions, for the non-afk,are little more than a chat room that you pay a $15 monthly fee to use"


Words that could only have been written by someone who utterly fails to understand the non-combat orientated professions. I seriously doubt whether this person can spell the word'roleplay', let alone understand its value.






Did you even read my entire post, or juts pull that one sentence out? Someone is complaining about the state of the profession and saying that forcing players to negotiate a price before getting any healing is a viable solution, i disagreed with that. I did agree that there is little content currently in game for entertainers (ie nothing more than a chat room that costs $15 per hour), and then I go on to discuss ways in which this may be changed.


If you still disagree with my comment that the entertainer profession is little more than that, please post why.




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Beery
Fri Jun 18, 2004 12:17 pm
#100






Double post. Sorry.

Message Edited by Beery on 06-18-2004 03:45 AM



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Combat is no longer compulsory.
Beery
Fri Jun 18, 2004 12:43 pm
#101
Apologies for posting this on all three entertainer forums, but I think some might not see it if I just posted it here, andeveryone might benefit from this idea:


I suggest we hold a protest and keep it completely in character. Blame the cantina management for forcing us to work for tips.Harrass buffbots and AFK macroers, calling them'AFK scabs'and 'buffbot blacklegs' hired by the city to perform for free, taking away entertainer revenues. Form a union - call it something like UMDAW - the Union of Musicians, Dancers and Allied Workers (heck, it could even be a guild, LOL). Use macroed messages as placards: "The Empire (or the Alliance on rebel-allied worlds)treats entertainers as second-class citizens", "TheJedi (or Sith on Empire-allied worlds)are prejudiced against entertainers - we have Midichlorians too!" (that should get a laugh), "The right to work for a fair wage", "Entertainers deserve fair pay", "AFK Scabs out of cantinas". Picket cantina entrances and accost players as they enter, saying "support worker's rights - get your entertainment from union workers, not AFK scabs". In short, bring our issues to the attention of players, raising our concerns andgetting the message across in a way that is humourous andtongue-in-cheek, so that players can applaud our roleplaying skills and our sense of humour. That will do the trick.



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Since June 2004, running one of the game's first completely nonviolent characters. Testing the limits of non-combat MMORPG play and trying to have fun into the bargain (although the developers make it difficult).

Combat is no longer compulsory.
Beery
Fri Jun 18, 2004 12:46 pm
#102

Apologies for posting this on all three entertainer forums, but I think some might not see it if I just posted it here, andeveryone might benefit from this idea:


I suggest we hold a protest and keep it completely in character. Blame the cantina management for forcing us to work for tips.Harrass buffbots and AFK macroers, calling them'AFK scabs'and 'buffbot blacklegs' hired by the city to perform for free, taking away entertainer revenues. Form a union - call it something like UMDAW - the Union of Musicians, Dancers and Allied Workers (heck, it could even be a guild, LOL). Use macroed messages as placards: "The Empire (or the Alliance on rebel-allied worlds)treats entertainers as second-class citizens", "TheJedi (or Sith on Empire-allied worlds)are prejudiced against entertainers - we have Midichlorians too!" (that should get a laugh), "The right to work for a fair wage", "Entertainers deserve fair pay", "AFK Scabs out of cantinas". Picket cantina entrances and accost players as they enter, saying "support worker's rights - get your entertainment from union workers, not AFK scabs". In short, bring our issues to the attention of players, raising our concerns andgetting the message across in a way that is humourous andtongue-in-cheek, so that players can applaud our roleplaying skills and our sense of humour. That will do the trick.



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Since June 2004, running one of the game's first completely nonviolent characters. Testing the limits of non-combat MMORPG play and trying to have fun into the bargain (although the developers make it difficult).

Combat is no longer compulsory.
kaldarin
Fri Jun 18, 2004 2:10 pm
#103
The simplest way to make entertainers a viable professionis to make the combat classes listen/watch an entertainer and Pay for it. It is a service they need. The holo grind completely ruined the cantina experience (not to mention the economy) and I for one will be happy to see it come to an end
Beery
Fri Jun 18, 2004 2:34 pm
#104
I agree. The fastest way to fix the profession would be to give entertainers the same sort of screen as IDs get - that way they couldn't AFK their way to Master and they'd be able to charge for buffs.



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Combat is no longer compulsory.
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