Entertainer Archive

Thread: Entertainer Protest Tuesdays Join the Jam for an Entertainer Revamp!

Beery
Sat Jun 19, 2004 12:09 am
#105

"...If you still disagree with my comment that the entertainer profession is little more than that, please post why."


Healing, roleplaying, putting on a show, creating an ambience for the customer. There is much more to entertaining - even in its current botched form -than just chat. To say that it's just a glorified chat room is not only a vast simplification. It'sinsulting to those of us committedentertainers whoconsistently take a broken and disrespectedprofession and turn it into an interesting and fun activity. If you don't see that, you're spending too much time around buffbots and AFKers, and not enough time with the professionalentertainment artists who still do exist.



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TuvarSwaeda
Sat Jun 19, 2004 12:22 am
#106

where did you get the idea that I was flaming your profession? I am offering ideas to help enhance it. This thread was first brought to my attention as I surfed around Stratics, so its obviously a big deal to someone.


Although the idea of the thread was to garner support for a "protest", it has turned into a bit or an argument about how the profession is or isnt being ignored. You seem to be entirely missing my point. Im not saying that being an entertainer sucks, but what I am say is that I can understand how many feel they are justified in complaining, but instead of doing such, one shoud take a look at what you currently have, as well as the fact that you are getting a mini publish in the next short while. Content is on the way. Further, I and others have offered sugestion as to how the entertainer profs can be improved further by the developers.


If you enjoy "putting on shows", and all that, great, pats on the back for you. But, the idea behind the entertainer profs is that they are a "social profession", that instead of fighting cretaures or eachother, those that are not interested in PvE and PvP, can still have something to do. In other words, it is a chat room that you pay a $15 monthly fee for!


I hope that clarifies my statement from before.



Tuvar Swaeda
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TKMonkey
Sat Jun 19, 2004 12:22 am
#107

What Jedis??? There is one Jedi - one. Not 3, not 5, not 10, not 25, not 100. There's one. He is not fighting anyone. He is sitting on Dagobah making stew, going a bit bonkers and giggling a lot.

You aren't listening. I'm admitting they're taking liberties with the amount of jedi's - will you keep up ? However, the jedi's which ARE in the galaxy ARE doing what A JEDI AT THIS TIME WOULD HAVE BEEN EXPECTED TO DO - IE FIGHT FOR THEIR SURVIVAL, IF GEORGE LUCAS CAME ALONG RIGHT NOW AND I SAID, "HEY GEORGE, IF HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING THERE WERE MANY JEDI ALIVE DURING THE TIME BETWEEN EPISODE 4 AND SIX, WHAT WOULD THEY BE DOING" AND GEORGE WOULD SAY "WHY, DEAR BOY, THEY WOULD BE FIGHTING FOR THEIR EXISTENCE, THEY WOULD BE HUNTED BY BOUNTY HUNTERS AND THE EMPIRE ALIKE".


In a 'loosely connected way"??? They are either force sensitive or they're not. And as someone else rightly pointed out the force affects every aspect of their lives, not just their fighting abilities. I'm sensing a pronounced prejudice in the way you talk about the non-combat professions. Your attitude is biased. It's clear to any impartial reader that you just don't think much of entertainers and can't see why anyone would want to play that sort of character. You've made this quite clear. The reason you're so vociferous about this is surely because you have a problem with the entertainer professions. After all, what harm would it do you if Jedi entertainers got a few basic force powers?

Yes, I know they're either force sensitive or they're not. I've already said this. I've already acknowledged that yes - it effects every aspect of their life, and that a jedi isn't about fight, BUT AT THIS TIME IN THE STAR WARS TIME LINE PEOPLE WHO ARE FORCE SENSITIVE HIDE IT SO THEY DON'T GET CARRYED OFF BY STORM TROOPERS, HOW MANY TIMES MUST I SAY THIS BEFORE YOU UNDERSTAND. I'm not in any way "biased" against non fighting professions, I'm just trying to point out what is clearly obvious, and that is that if you're force sensitive during this period of Star Wars you hide it or use it to fight with, what a force sensitive person in this era would NOT do is flaunt it around in a cantina.


I'm sorry, but I just don't believe that you could possibly be an entertainer, with your contemptuous attitude towards their existence in the game. If you have spent time as an entertainer it must have all been AFK hologrinding, because you clearly haven't the faintest idea of what you're talking about.

I don't "hologrind", thank you, and you would be right if you were to assume that my main character isn't an entertainer, because it isn't, I play an entertainer as my secondary character on another server, thank you, and from where I'm standing I have shown no contempt for the profession at all during what I have said here so shall we evaluate exactly what I have said? yes, lets.
1. Force sensitive entertainers would be dragged out and shot during this era if they were discovered by the empire.
2. We're getting our love soon, so why lag everyone up with a petty small minded protest?


If you think force sensitive options are ridiculous, why don't you complain on forums related to professions which ARE getting them. I think your problem is actually with entertainers. Clearly you cannot understand their role, and you are incapable of seeing past your own prejudices about what that role should be.



"Force Sensitive options" aren't ridiculous per se - but it would be ridiculous to allow a profession such as entertainer to gain this power and flaunt it around a cantina, I can't make myself much clearer than this. What should an entertainer be? well they should be exactly what the name suggests, an entertainer, I find it very entertaining strutting myself in a Cantina and chatting to people, SWG is the first MMO to introduce this sort of profession, and I think it was a fantastic move, but from other players perspectives entertainers server the role of removing mind wounds, BF and getting buffs - this isn't a profession which is going to win wars, and so I feel sorry for the devs when entertainers ask them "What role will Entertainers fill in the GCW rewrite" and they have to respond with "uhhmmm, we'll see" because they know if they say nothing (which, for a passive non combat role which focusing on socializing and filling a heal/buff role) is perfectly acceptable, but if they DID say nothing someone like you would come along and start stomping your feet and starting another protest over it all. As for the problems facing the entertainer profession - bugs such as the wait on delivering a buff to someone, AFK dancers, the inabillity for someone to get both a musician and a dancer buff at the same time which I'm all aware of - what do you think moaning is going to do? transform itself in to binary and crawl in to the developers computer and fix the problem automatically? face it - there are other, more pressing things to attend to to keep the majority of the community happy, such as the combat balance and jedi rewrite.

Perhaps you and I are expecting different things from what an entertainer would be so before I respond to the personal attacks you made towards me maybe you would like to "enlighten" me on just what you think Entertainers should be?. From where I'm standing, we entertainers should be a social profession (which we are), who play a medical role (which we do), who give buffs (which we do), and who are fun to play as (which we are). Yes, we have bugs which effect us, so does every profession, the devs aren't blind to it and chances are if it hasn't been fixed that means it's a big job and then don't have the resources available to tackle it just yet.


Could someone take over beating some sense into this guy. I have no patience left for this kind of nonsense


You are an arrogant, arrogant person. What sense do I need to have beaten in to me? I know there are problems with the profession, I know Jedi's aren't fighting machines, but I also know that during this period in SW history, Force Sensitive people would either hide it or fight due to the bounty issued on force sensitive people. Force sensitivity options won't fix what IS wrong with the profession, for that we'll have to wait until the devs have the resources to do so, but we aren't being ignored, so sit down and drink your juice -or come back at me with something which I can discuss with you as is custom on a forum such as this without you resorting to your petty accusations and "holier than thou" attitude.



Schardour
Sat Jun 19, 2004 12:56 am
#108

I think Ahazi or Chilastra are good choices with heavy concentrations of players in Theed. I'm sure Bria is heavily populated as well. I know we saw some interest from visitors on Ahazi last Tuesday, so that's a plus for my server. Chilastra is a little less plagued by the buffbot issue, I believe. I rarely saw them there (mainly in Coronet and private cantinas).


The Mining Outpost on Ahazi is about the busiest place I've seen on all of the servers, especially when there's a high-quality meat on the server. Anybody else have high-profile locations that might serve us well? I'm willing to jump servers for a few hours




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Missmaul
Sun Jun 20, 2004 1:59 pm
#109

I'm probably way late on this, and sorry for distracting from the flaming, but- I missed the first one. Can we do it again on the 22nd? This is well worth creating a character on Starsider for.



Krystine Landgher, Naboo, Radiant Galaxy
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Beery
Mon Jun 21, 2004 7:35 pm
#110

"There is no reason for you not to have credits if you have any form of an advanced profession."


I have to disagree with you there. Firstly, Dancer and Musician ARE advanced professions. With buffbots and the negative impact of AFKers, buffbots and tip spamming (always by AFKers I notice)very few people aretipping us anything. They either hate the new cantina atmosphere so much that it's just no fun, so they don't tip, or they don't bother coming to the cantina because they know of a buffbot that gives away free heals and good quality buffs. That leaves mission terminals, which pay 200 credits max, whether you're a novice entertainer or a Master Dancer/Musician.


Sure, if I took up a combat profession, I could make big bucks, but why should I? This game is supposed to be fun. Combat is no fun for me. There should beno reason for us not to have credits if we have advanced professions, but if those advanced professions are in the entertainment industry, there is simplyno chance of making money. The entertainment professions should be self-supporting. When I go out and get a full-time job in an advanced profession in real life, I don't expect to have to take a second job to help me pay my bills. The same shouldapply to the careers inthis game, whether I choose to be a dancer, a musician, an artisan, or a bounty hunter. If I'm the game'smusical equivalent of Yo Yo Ma, I should not be getting paid the equivalent ofan unskilled labourer's wage.



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Since June 2004, running one of the game's first completely nonviolent characters. Testing the limits of non-combat MMORPG play and trying to have fun into the bargain (although the developers make it difficult).

Combat is no longer compulsory.
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