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Thread: Entertainer Protest Tuesdays Join the Jam for an Entertainer Revamp!
Chat-happy-flirting in the cantina with my favorite local entertaiiners in Dearic was one of the best parts of the game for me. I really hope you all get some attention and your profession returns (and goes beyond) the level of fun it was before the grind.When I checked out the FS stuff on TC2 I was surprised that there was nothing for entertainers. I do think you should get something along the same line as doctors... maybe even just add it to the same tree (but that discussion is best left to you guys). One interesting thing about some of the FS skills is that they alow you to use the skill without actually having the profession. For example, players with the FS Survival skill line can use camps without having Novice Scout - they cannot MAKE camps, but they can use them. Players with the FS survey line can use survey tools and sample for resources without having Novice Artisan. Again, they cannot make the tools, but can use them.
Disclaimer: I haven't been on TC2 for a while so all of the above may have changed in the recent patches.
Would you be for or against something like this for entertainers? For example, the Entertainer enhancement line might give the ability to perform basic 1 without Novice Entertainer but you wouldn't get xp and people would not be able to watch you. I would love to have this. I always feel sad that I cannot join in the dancing when there is a real non-afk party going on. However, I am not an entertainer and cannot see the big picture. Do you feel something like this would be a detriment to your profession?
Regardless, I hope they add some kind of FS enhancement for you!
Edit: I always see the spelling mistake just after I hit submit!!
Message Edited by Vorpaks on 06-17-2004 12:49 PM
Doesn't sound right somehow, does it? if you're going to make a protest and lag everyone up at least think it through, how would "the force" augment an Entertainer? maybe unlock a magical jedi dance which will enthrall watchers and give them better buffs? or maybe it could augment your dancing ability and you could jump twice as high during a dance !. No, lets not be silly, this isn't what force sensitivity is about, it's not about augmenting every profession in the game, it's about fighting, jedi's fight and/or heal using the force, their connection with the force allows them sense things which have not yet happened and perform incredible feats.
Now if you're in a cantina busting out your force dance or force play music or anything like that, on Vaders orders storm troopers, Boba Fett, who ever, is going to walk up to you, drag you out by the hair in to the street and shoot you in the face as that's what's going on at this time in the SW time frame.
Us entertainers aren't being ignored so lets not act like children and cry about our profession, we're getting the Hutt casino and all this other great stuff in the near future, and if that isn't enough - maybe try another profession ?
Message Edited by Beery on 06-18-2004 09:47 AM
thats pathetic and goes to show that its all about the attention... yeah we all need entertainers... yes we all feel like you quite possibly deserve a bone thrown to you... but...
think of Smugglers... think of how other classes are totally overpowered... and others cant even solo...
think of CH... think of the fact that the game is not even a year old...
do not equate your plight with that of the wookiees... the wooks suffered like you wont believe... and are still a tad bit underpowered in regards to other races...you have no right to even consider your profession as being in the same stae of disrepair as a wookiee...
seriously... you want to earn more money as an entertainer? stop AFK'ing and actually do your job of ENTERTAINING us...
Message Edited by Werdup on 06-17-2004 05:54 PM
Werdup wrote:
ya know.. its funny as hell.... people are giving them valid reasons why the ent proff is not broken.... why they are silly in requesting a "protest" ... and they best they can pull off is one starring all of the posts that dont particularly cater to the same philosophy....
thats pathetic and goes to show that its all about the attention... yeah we all need entertainers... yes we all feel like you quite possibly deserve a bone thrown to you... but...
think of Smugglers... think of how other classes are totally overpowered... and others cant even solo...
think of CH... think of the fact that the game is not even a year old...
do not equate your plight with that of the wookiees... the wooks suffered like you wont believe... and are still a tad bit underpowered in regards to other races...you have no right to even consider your profession as being in the same stae of disrepair as a wookiee...
seriously... you want to earn more money as an entertainer? stop AFK'ing and actually do your job of ENTERTAINING us...
Message Edited by Werdup on 06-17-2004 05:54 PM
maybe if you read the whole thread i wouldn't have to write this but instead you thought hey i'll flame the ents cause maybe this will work and they will get attention i wont. first off, wooks didn't "suffer like you won't belive" I am a wookiee, i have been a combatant and both since launch which is much longer then you based on when u registered here. Also since common sense escapes you this thread and board consists of non afk entertainers for 95% and that is part of the problem that we are trying to get resolved. so next time maybe DO YOUR JOB and be informed before responding.
Werdup wrote:
ok ill admit i was a lil heavy handed with the hate... but still...
wooks did suffer... thats why the Dev team decided to force feed us some armor in an effort to quell our plight.. yeah i have been a combatant from the get go as well... and we are still slighty underpowered.. but thats not for this board...
secondly... attacking some one due to thier date of registry on these boards is not a valid tactic..its a form of social elitism that makes you think you are more significant then another member of your community... lets not procreate the hatred by senseless attacks based on registered dates..
i did fully admit that you guys need a bone thrown to you... my whole item of contention was that your not as bad off as you seem... yes.. for the third time.. new content will improve your game play.. and everyones experience fully...
calling for a revamp.. ( a complete overhaul) and staging a protest ( we aint gonan take it anymore) are two hugely harsh words, when in fact you are just wanting a few bones thrown your way... equating this to any other proffesion, or species is a loose attempt at petitioning support for a poorly planned idea on how to make your situation better...
now it is fully logical that 95% of this board is a non afk'er... but the same can not be said for ent'ers in the game.. its kind of the same as saying that 5% of any population is indicative of the whole group.. its just not the case... 95% of the entertainer population is AFK... therefore come up with valid reasons how to fix your situation, support them.. and run with them til the bitter end... sitting here calling for a protest is not the way to do it..
ok i will agree forum registry isn't important. but the afk ents are all grinders or non players (afk buffers to sell ebay credits or for guilds) so you know so this board does represent a larger then most chunk of the true entertainers out there
as far as making our situation better, i think we all know its not going to happen but why is it that when entertainers ask for anything from a fix to a revamp everyother professoin in the game storm's our forums and tells us to **edit** cause were fine? I know i actually go to the other forums to support them in what they need like suggestions for the smuggler revamp yet smugglers come here and put us down... thats hte problem we are a good unselfish player base in ent profs and the other tend to be selfish thinking "omg if the ents get what they want, it will be at the expense of what i want... skrew the ents!"
your post fit right in with the rest of the posts from non ents as im sure you'll see ... even if your attitudes are more laxed then theirs... i can tell u since launch anytime ents have tried to do anything, this happens... and well im pissed at my fellow gamers
yeah i said it im pissed at them they are all selfish little children (even the adults) if they are powergamers... btw i am a powergamer too just like this prof and hate to see it fall to the crapper like it is and hate to see the devs not support it and more then anything hate to see the playerbase come here act all high and mighty like they are owed something like we are lesser because we chose this prof bla bla and now i don't give a *(&^ ... if someone comes in our forums and acts like an arse or apears to i retaliate ... period. YOU don't seem quite as bad and as i said earlier im sorry bout the registration thing but yeah if we all get treated like crap from the rest of the players, you can expect this kind of attitude from us in return.
Message Edited by Beery on 06-18-2004 04:39 AM
Beery wrote:
"lets not be silly, this isn't what force sensitivity is about, it's not about augmenting every profession in the game, it's about fighting, jedi's fight and/or heal using the force..."
Hmmm. You don't know much about the Jedi do you. Jedi is not just a fighting profession. In fact fighting is a secondary part of the jedi's job. There are many ways a jedi can serve the order. Jedi are scholars, teachers, manual labourers, etc. Jedi is not solely afighting profession (in fact it wasnot intended to be primarilya fighting profession at all), as you'd find out if you read some of the Star Wars books.
Message Edited by Beery on 06-18-2004 04:39 AM
TKMonkey wrote:
Beery wrote:
"lets not be silly, this isn't what force sensitivity is about, it's not about augmenting every profession in the game, it's about fighting, jedi's fight and/or heal using the force..."
Hmmm. You don't know much about the Jedi do you. Jedi is not just a fighting profession. In fact fighting is a secondary part of the jedi's job. There are many ways a jedi can serve the order. Jedi are scholars, teachers, manual labourers, etc. Jedi is not solely afighting profession (in fact it wasnot intended to be primarilya fighting profession at all), as you'd find out if you read some of the Star Wars books.
Message Edited by Beery on 06-18-2004 04:39 AM
Please read my message before you comment on what I have said - I understand what you just said to me, however as I have already said THIS IS NOT THE GOLDEN AGE OF THE JEDI, IF YOU PUBLICALLY DISPLAY FORCE SENSITIVITY YOU WILL BE DRAGGED IN TO THE STREET BY STORMTROOPERS/ BOUNTY HUNTERS/ DARTH VADER HIMSELF AND SHOT IN THE FACE. It's not a difficult to understand, entertainers do their job in public places, there's a bounty on jedi/force sensitive citizens across the galaxy, while in the days of old fighting may well have been "secondary" to a jedi's life or even nonexistent, it doesn't help the fact that in this time period jedi's are fighting from the brink of extinction - not prancing around in a cantina.
Thanks.
Wait, you mean we could have an element of DANGER and EXCITEMENT added to our profession if we used our Force Sensitive Skills? We could be nervous about Force buffing someone in 20 seconds, doing it in the shadowy corners of a cantina, but risking being hunted down?
We could take an active part in the GCW in some way (even if it's just to get shot at by Stormtroopers/Bounty Hunters/Darth Vader himself) instead of just being Mind healing servants? Wow - WE NEED FORCE SENSITIVE SKILLS FOR ENTERTAINERS, NO DOUBT ABOUT IT!
Thanks for further exemplifying my point! This sounds like fun! Real content! Just wait until those Bounty Hunters try to shoot the wrong Musician in the face...and get pwned...I'll rule the galaxy with my speed-sliced Slitherhorn, all will kneel trembling before me....
TKMonkey wrote:
Force Sensitive Entertainers.
Doesn't sound right somehow, does it? if you're going to make a protest and lag everyone up at least think it through, how would "the force" augment an Entertainer? maybe unlock a magical jedi dance which will enthrall watchers and give them better buffs? or maybe it could augment your dancing ability and you could jump twice as high during a dance !. No, lets not be silly, this isn't what force sensitivity is about, it's not about augmenting every profession in the game, it's about fighting, jedi's fight and/or heal using the force, their connection with the force allows them sense things which have not yet happened and perform incredible feats.
Now if you're in a cantina busting out your force dance or force play music or anything like that, on Vaders orders storm troopers, Boba Fett, who ever, is going to walk up to you, drag you out by the hair in to the street and shoot you in the face as that's what's going on at this time in the SW time frame.
Us entertainers aren't being ignored so lets not act like children and cry about our profession, we're getting the Hutt casino and all this other great stuff in the near future, and if that isn't enough - maybe try another profession ?
Lets get realistic here, I for one won't be attending this "protest" because it's just stupid.
Incredible feats, like, use a musical instrument to heal someone's mind instantly perhaps? Sense things which have not yet happened....maybe Entertainers would make great "ears" for the Jedi in the galaxy, obtaining information while playing across the galaxy?
As for Jedi being mostly about fighting...how is that Anakin floating an apple to Amidala involves fighting? Or Luke levitating rocks? Or Yoda raising the X-wing out of the swamp? What about Luke running through that swamp and doing crazy flips in the air? He did a somersault in the air, watch Empire Strikes Back. A Jedi feels the Force flowing through him - he doesn't feel it only improving his fighting skills. How about the Jedi Mind tricks? OH right - MIND tricks! You know, that blue bar we heal and buff for you folks? Maybe Jedi MIND control...what if we sensed someone was an opposing faction - and using our Force sensitive skills, gave a NEGATIVE mind buff to an overt player....adding a sense of danger to getting a mind buff. Sure, it seems fine for an hour, but then....whoa, -900 modifier? That filthy Rebel scum of an entertainer! Wait until I find him....oh rats, and ID made him anonymous, it'll be tough to track him down...but one day....
Maybe ID's could disguise players with their Force skills....make them anonymous temporarily....that Wookiee looks like the one that buffed me before, but I'm not sure....
The point in this is that we, as non-combatants, deserve having a role in the GCW just as much as anyone, we deserve some consideration at least in this Jedi revamp (which we didn't get a BIT). Our argument is NOT (and i can't say this enough, YEEEESH PEOPLE) to steal away attention from any other profession who needs work. But we at least need to be on the Devs radar screen, rather than an occasional blip. Our gameplay is stagnant and we have no real role in the GCW except to heal/buff folks who take part in it - woopity dooo.
As for Smugglers, I've said it before and I'll say it again - YOU'RE GETTING A REVAMP. We, Entertainers, are NOT. Us asking for one will not put us at the front of the line (nor do we want it that way). We just want to get at the END of the line, so that 2006 brings us some good changes. I know your revamp got delayed and has been perpetually delayed, but trust me, they're working on stuff - heck you have a DEV POSTING ON YOUR PROFESSION'S FORUM. STOP WASTING YOUR TIME HERE, GO HELP DEVELOP YOUR PROFESSION WITH A DEV. It must be nice to have that kind of attention! Utilize the opportunity!