Entertainer Archive

Thread: I asked...I got an answer. :(

Goldshadow
Fri Nov 05, 2004 11:57 am
#79






Tralmek wrote:








cknoos wrote:
Huh, guess I can close two of my accounts then. Of course, this will bring about a flurry of active and readily available entertainers everywhere, as well as make those tedious crafting professions a -lot- easier.


Huzzah! I hope this makes crafting non-macroable as well, that would be great! Just that thought has made my day even better! (Oh, and btw, the crafting professions aren't all that tedious. They can be a whole heck-a-lotta fun!)

Let me take a stab at some numbers here, lets say that each server has 15,000 active players, I would imagine that perhaps 150 of those are characters who play fulltime entertainers. Rightly so, we need to make life a lot more difficult for the remaining 14,850 people.

/sarcasm on
/comfort
/say I'mSO sorry


//End Sarcasm
/End Sarcasm




Well, I guess I can't offer you much comfort other than that I'll be dancing on your buffbots' graves 100% live and ATK! (Your comfort should be taken in how bored I must be having to dance on graves while At the Keyboard.) Oh, and since I don't thinkanyone has chimed in with ityet... Bye, sweetcheeks!






Lilo -


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sweatyclimber
Fri Nov 05, 2004 12:11 pm
#80

/gets on his knee's and worships SOE's nicest "no" man


thanks a lot for stoping by Tyrant it means a lot Since one of you is an entertainer, I suggest checking out a cantina crawl on Bria or a Cantina Revial tour on Ahazi. Both are very fun.



Cheers,

famousFATWOOKIE
Master musician, Master entertainer of Mos Oasis
-I support ATK people and playstyles.
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Gyopi
Fri Nov 05, 2004 12:11 pm
#81


Modo77 wrote:

If you' read my post you'd see I was taking about buff not healing. (TKM here).
When I have BF I always get a novice to get rid of it and tip them well.
And also again if you read my post I stated when there are no ATK players about!!!
I will always use a entertainer who is there given the option.



My combat alt is a TKM and since I refuse to use buffbots, sometimes I can't find an entertainer to give me a mind buff. I get by just fine on a few sips of brandy and a canape in those cases. Finding an entertainer is not the *only* option for a mind buff. Yes, using food is expensive, but that should show how valuable an entertainer buff really should be!

I used to be a master dancer (no not a hologrind dancer) and loved it until I finally got fed up. You just can't compete with a buffbot who is effectively giving out free buffs to everyone. Even when I could get someone to come to me, they expected free service because apparently an entertainer's time is simply not worth anything. Its also really boring being one of the only live people in a cantina. Remove all of the "tips are appreciated", "please heal me" and "Add me to the entertainer group" spamming and the silence is deafening. The entire system needs to be fixed. Getting rid of AFK macros is one part of the solution. It will also take coming up with a way of making people understand that services and the use of our time is no less valuable than thing that use "resources".

Message Edited by Gyopi on 11-05-2004 02:19 PM




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bn-ny
Fri Nov 05, 2004 12:13 pm
#82






SOETyrant wrote:



*snips all 3 posts*





*grabs a new bowl of popcorn and is enthralled as the plot takes a new twist*



This will be interesting.



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Aadyeniel
Fri Nov 05, 2004 12:18 pm
#83

/cheer SOETyrant!


This is just wonderful! Just to see that someone cares and is listening. Gordon, I thank you for committing yourself to these issues!!


Makes me just wanna give you a hug! lol



/startdance OhHellYes




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Knight776
Fri Nov 05, 2004 12:41 pm
#84

Amazing what one small post will do for the collective morale.


Thanks for taking a few moments out of your hellish schedule and giving us an answer. I think that's all any of us have wanted for quite some time now, even though it may not have been exactly what we wanted to hear. I would much prefer to hear "No, not right now, but we do have it in the schedule." is far and away better than silence. It also will help address the lack of patience factor a lot of us have been suffering from over the past months.




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Warryyr
Fri Nov 05, 2004 2:00 pm
#85

I seriously think that any and all Devs available tonight should join in on the Cantina Crawl on Bria.


Let's show them what's RIGHT about these crazy professions. Maybe the Devs will actually get excited about doing something for us then, instead of just dreading whatever nightmare code changes they need to do for us.


Trust me Devs, the duct tape holding up our buff codeis insignificant next to the power of a true Entertainer.


Come out and see some of the people who love these professions regardless of their current state. Come meet us, and let us meet you. We're all going to need to work together to get these things whipped into shape, right?


So, come on out to Bria and join the ent channel to get the latest Crawl info.





Dreamland
Fri Nov 05, 2004 2:21 pm
#86

I do have to disagree on the notion that as a developer you should do nothing between now and our profession revamp. My personal opinion would be to simply remove entertainer buffs for the time being. Then there would be no PVP players impacted as none of them would be able to get buffs, and would still be on equal ground with eachother. I imagine there are entertainers that would disagree with that, but as a personal opinion i would much rather not be able to buff than have to deal with these buffbots for another six months while i wait. I think it would provide a situation where many entertainers did not mind waiting it out so much and might continue to subscribe.


It is something you guys did with battlefields.. they were not working well so they were just disabled. It seems like a logical idea to me.
Warryyr
Fri Nov 05, 2004 3:40 pm
#87






Dreamland wrote:

I do have to disagree on the notion that as a developer you should do nothing between now and our profession revamp. My personal opinion would be to simply remove entertainer buffs for the time being. Then there would be no PVP players impacted as none of them would be able to get buffs, and would still be on equal ground with eachother. I imagine there are entertainers that would disagree with that, but as a personal opinion i would much rather not be able to buff than have to deal with these buffbots for another six months while i wait. I think it would provide a situation where many entertainers did not mind waiting it out so much and might continue to subscribe.


It is something you guys did with battlefields.. they were not working well so they were just disabled. It seems like a logical idea to me.






Yeah, but this would impact PvE, too. And as the Combat system currently exists, we'll have a TON of people griping at us for inciting such a change. I'd say once they redo Combat, which from the sounds of it will negate our healing skills anyways, THEN they could just do away with whatever wacky system they have in place for our buffs and stuff and start from scratch.

GangaWolf
Fri Nov 05, 2004 3:57 pm
#88






SOETyrant wrote:


I think that unattended macroing doesn't belong in our game and it will be removed. I have committed usto this, and I remain committed to it. When morepeople play AFK than ATK, we haven't done our job very well, and we need to fix that.







Tyrant -

Have you ever thought that the macros aren't the issue so much as people AFK macro because some aspects of the game just are not very fun? Whether it be entertainers or crafters, there are some aspects of the professions that are just too repetitive and not rewarding enough. If you make these aspects more entertaining (no pun intended) for the player, then the AFK macroing will greatly decrease on its own.


Please - take a look at the root cause of the problem, not just the symptoms. It will make for a *much* more rewarding experience for your player base.



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Cudayn
Fri Nov 05, 2004 4:56 pm
#89






cknoos wrote:
Huh, guess I can close two of my accounts then. Of course, this will bring about a flurry of active and readily available entertainers everywhere, as well as make those tedious crafting professions a -lot- easier.

Let me take a stab at some numbers here, lets say that each server has 15,000 active players, I would imagine that perhaps 150 of those are characters who play fulltime entertainers. Rightly so, we need to make life a lot more difficult for the remaining 14,850 people.

//End Sarcasm

Message Edited by cknoos on 11-05-2004 11:32 AM




Let me take a stab at an answer to your remarks.....


If we didn't have the ability to AFK macro the entertainer professions, there would be a lot more right now because when you have a need, it tends to fix itself. Removing the AFK macroing ability will create a vacum of need and more people will start playing entertainers, first because of need, then just because people will like being mind healers.


Durney


Beery
Fri Nov 05, 2004 5:43 pm
#90


"Far too long have we felt like our cries have fallen on deaf or indifferent ears. In the last few hours, you've restored my hope for the future. Not enough to get me back into the game , but certainly enough to keep monitoring the changes knowing that I will play again."


I second those sentiments. Last night I decided that I would quit this game for good. Today, because of SOETyrant's posts I'm reconsidering that decision. I'm still quitting, but I too will keep tabs on the development schedule so that I can resurrect my account when the time comes. I won't keep paying my monthly $15 now because I still do not have faith that what has been written is more than what other developers have written, but the spirit in which it was written is clearly different and leaves room for hope.I'm going to go against my better judgement and give thisgame one more chance because for once I have faith in what a developer has written, because for once I feel thata developer has told us the unadorned truth, and I get a distinct feeling that this guy actually cares about this game and my profession.




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Combat is no longer compulsory.
Beery
Fri Nov 05, 2004 5:52 pm
#91

"I do have to disagree on the notion that as a developer you should do nothing between now and our profession revamp. My personal opinion would be to simply remove entertainer buffs for the time being."


Why go that far? Whynot just remove the ability to group buff. It's a quick fix that would stop most casualbuffbots in their tracks, and it would label the rest of them as using 3rd party macros in violation of the TOS.



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Since June 2004, running one of the game's first completely nonviolent characters. Testing the limits of non-combat MMORPG play and trying to have fun into the bargain (although the developers make it difficult).

Combat is no longer compulsory.
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