Entertainer Archive
Thread: Entertainer Protest Tuesdays Join the Jam for an Entertainer Revamp!
TuvarSwaeda
Wed Jun 16, 2004 12:59 am
#66
i perused the whole thread quicly and didnt see anyone mentioning the entertainer quests that are currently on TC. Am i missing something, but is this not attention? Is this not new content for entertainers? I relaly dont get what this protest is going to prove...especially when you actually are already getting something. I have been all of the entertainer classes, i masterd ID, musician, and dancer. Now im not saying thta i wasnt AFK for a lot of it, but I was only grinding through, with no intention of every keeping the professions, but the number of AFK individuals was staggering. Why would the devs put any more resources than they already are into a profession that is not even at their computer most of the time?
Anyway, I guess we'll see what happens...good luck with your portest. and thanx in advance for the extra lag, thats a great way to get attention, slow everyone down and ruin their enjoyment for a useless cause!
EDIT: It seems fairly obvious that someone just went through and one starred everyone that disagreed with this idea...so i await my fate.
EDIT2: there it is, that didnt take too long. The one star bandit strikes again..not even a post to back themselves up. Just a hit and run! oh well.
Message Edited by TuvarSwaeda on 06-15-2004 01:01 PM
Message Edited by TuvarSwaeda on 06-15-2004 01:20 PM
Nyre
Wed Jun 16, 2004 2:00 am
#67
See that would be wrong. No other prof have set prices why should entertainers. When I tip I usually tip 5 credits per point healed. It would create competition between entertainers as well.
Xyrdre
Wed Jun 16, 2004 4:20 am
#68
Not a bad turnout at all, and that turnout was replaced by new people as the night wore on...
I managed to help keep the show going until almost midnight pacific, and up until then we had entertainers there, and spectators stopping by.
moomoomike
Wed Jun 16, 2004 5:37 am
#69
Nyre I agree. That is something that needs to be done and it will fix alot of problems with getting money for entertainers. I thought the same thing after seeing how ID can do that. Your idea is alot better then the proposed things in this thread. Great input 
moomoomike
Wed Jun 16, 2004 5:44 am
#70
I just thought of this. Can you imagine the spamming we would see in the cantenas for the prices to get healed? I guess it wouldnt be so bad if the devs would fix it to were the chat wouldnt leave the building.I saw in some TC patch notes long ago that they fixed it to were chat wouldnt leave a building. If they didnt fix it my ignore list just may reach a maximum. I already ignore EVERY spam vendor I find, just so I can read the peoples chat that ARE at their computers. BTW I think that ill always find a new spam vendor , they just keep coming ARRRGHHH.
Other then the chat issues, id say its a great idea you have.
Other then the chat issues, id say its a great idea you have.
Warryyr
Wed Jun 16, 2004 11:10 am
#71
I have no idea what that last post was all about.
Let me try that again.
Starsider's turnout, was well - non-existant. I even shouted in Coronet that in an hour, all non-AFK performers were invited to jam in front of Theed Starport with me. I was only answered by "Heals and tips are appreciated!!!!!" and "If I'm not in a group, invite me!" I just barely made it to Theed before the official start time (lousy shuttle waits) so I didn't even get a chance to recruit from Theed Cantina. There might have been folks in there who had no idea about it at all. Maybe people on Starsider just weren't interested.
/sigh
But, me and a friend - and our alts - had a good time. I even had my TKM/Doctor learn Novice so he could jam with us.
All in all, the experience was a good one, and it shook some folks up. It definitely got attention. I do think - as my new post regarding Results/Revision to Approach discusses - we should just all get together and play for fun. No demands for Dev attention or fixes. People got a little feisty with us complaining (well, a few did - who then proceeded to just stand around and grief us while we shouted requests for more content and responded to them).
I'm really glad to hear Ahazi had a good turnout, and it lasted for awhile! That's just awesome! Every Tuesday night from now on should be Theed Starport Jam Night, I think. Just get together with some entertainers and have some fun!
This new post also discusses an alternate way to "protest" if we still wanted to, a silent protest - entertainers standing in a semi-circle in front of Theed Cantina, silent. No talking, no playing, no dancing. Just standing, organized, in front of the entrance. The more folks that do it, the better it'll look, and the more powerful it will be. Patrons can still get in the Cantina, but people will surely ask "what the heck is going on?"
TuvarSwaeda
Wed Jun 16, 2004 12:57 pm
#72
no it shoud be a set price of 0.5 to 1 Credit for every x amount of healing. so 300 BF equals 150 to 300 credits. It could even be a sliding scale depending on progress up the tree. So masters will make more per heal. May 2 or 3 Credits per BF
There are so many people in the cantina in a single day you could top 100k per dasy easily.
Otherwise the price will be gouged and another part of the economy gets screwed.
Message Edited by TuvarSwaeda on 06-16-2004 12:58 AM
TuvarSwaeda
Wed Jun 16, 2004 6:13 pm
#73
thats such bull. Just cuz one profession gouges doesnt justify another getting something new that they are going to overprice as well.
I personally do not have millions just collecting dust. In fact, 2 days ago I couldnt afford a buff. If I also had to pay another 5 to 10k to get my BF healed things would get out of hand.
Think of this. Entertainers do not (ar at least should not be able to) work for themselves. Someone "owns" the cantina, and you should be hiredto dance there. It makes no sense to walk into someone elses etablishment and start charging people money to watch you dance. Each cantina should have a stage, and you should be hired by the cantina (according to you performance in an audition) to dance there for a certian number fo days.
PS I said dance generically, entertain is what i meant
Nyre
Wed Jun 16, 2004 8:42 pm
#74
I guess your opinion is based on your personal self and not what is best for the community. You can be selfish that way all you want. My OPINION might not be the best solution out there but that was my input. Your not an entertainer so you don't know what it is like. As an Master Musician I was against this protest because all it does is ruin the fun of other people. Do some missions my Hunter (I have 4 accounts) makes 500k-1mil a day hunting Quenkers on Dantooine. There is no reason for you not to have credits if you have any form of an advanced profession. In the real world like you tend to compare it too entertainers get paid for their services. Drs get Paid for their services. Yes they dont own the public Cantina but some of those entertainers in there have inspirations of owning their own cantina 1 day and without being tipped they dont have that chance.
TuvarSwaeda
Wed Jun 16, 2004 11:18 pm
#75
Nyre wrote:
I guess your opinion is based on your personal self and not what is best for the community. You can be selfish that way all you want. My OPINION might not be the best solution out there but that was my input. Your not an entertainer so you don't know what it is like. As an Master Musician I was against this protest because all it does is ruin the fun of other people. Do some missions my Hunter (I have 4 accounts) makes 500k-1mil a day hunting Quenkers on Dantooine. There is no reason for you not to have credits if you have any form of an advanced profession. In the real world like you tend to compare it too entertainers get paid for their services. Drs get Paid for their services. Yes they dont own the public Cantina but some of those entertainers in there have inspirations of owning their own cantina 1 day and without being tipped they dont have that chance.
pardon? Im afraid I dont quite understand what you are talking about...
First off, i think this is best for the community as a whole, instead of just looking at how entertainers can make a quick buck by gouging the crap out of their prices. Second, why do you need money if you have another account that makes it all for you? Third, i was an entertainer...i was master dancer, musician, and ID. Ive dont it all.
Now I have noticed that some people act as though tipping is a form of PAYMENT. Apply that to real life for a sec. A tip is something extra that is given out for a job well done, but that is secondary to actual payment. In a restaurant, one must pay the bill for the food because tipping the server is not going to cover the cost of the meal.
In my idea, one must pay to use the cantina, which will in turn pay the entertainers. Just as a restaurant will pay its employees. If you choose to tip these people, then so be it, but tipping is not mandatory.
I noticed thta your last post seemed to have much less thought in it than the rest, and this time around I had been one-starred. Any reason why you seemed to not have a response and I suddenly receive a poor message rating?
For a community that screams for more content, i dont understand why the idea of having to audition to be able to "work" at certain cantinas is such a bad idea. It gives purpose to being better at what you do. Just like armorsmiths or weapoonsmiths. They must work at their profession to be good at it, but right now all entertainers must do is master the profession and they can apply the best buff that the profession offers, but then still want to be able to make millions at what they do. In a real economy there are the upper, middle and lower class citizens. Some professions are just not as in demand as others, and that is reflected in the amount of pay they recieve. You cant honestly tryto convince someone that your service in its current state is worth as much as an armorsmith! You dont do anything, I didnt do anything when I was in the "business", i know what its about. If you want to make real money, then you should have to put time in. This means working up to master level...questing for new dances/songs, practicing (ie you get better the more you perform...this could be accumulated over several weeks and months), and eventually youll get toa level so that you can play in better cantinas. I dont see how this is a bad thing, or how im not thinking about the community. I just outlined for you how to make your profession more than an AFKers dream. With this you get content and purpose, and you become more than just a $15 per month chat room with a Star Wars motif.
Message Edited by TuvarSwaeda on 06-16-2004 11:22 PM
TuvarSwaeda
Thu Jun 17, 2004 12:23 am
#76
Nyre wrote:
See that would be wrong. No other prof have set prices why should entertainers. When I tip I usually tip 5 credits per point healed. It would create competition between entertainers as well.
you just think its wrong beacuse you want to gouge the market. There does not need to be any other product out there that is being over priced.
In the 6 months Ive been playing, ive witnessed doctor buffs climb from 6k to 10 to 12 k and no one buffs in Theed anymore, theyre all in coronet.
So they have jumped in price (there are people that try to charge 12k for buffs at or under 2000), and one particular place has been saturated with them.
What i propose is a certian fee that the cantina will pay to you, which will be from charging players to enter the cantina, like a cover charge.This would be different for each cantina.It could be tied to the entertainer quests. Depending on how well you performyou will be offered jobs at more or less prestigious cantinas. If you do poor, you end up in a crappycantina that day.I also heard of the number of entertianers being capped at some point in each cantina, which will force entertainers to other cities. Hopefully, this will happen soon, and hopefully at the same time there is more content for other professions to act as encentive for heading to new cities as well.
Nyre
Thu Jun 17, 2004 12:55 am
#77
The Market will set prices due to supply and demand. When the Game was first released Scout blasters were selling for 25k-50k now you can buy the same scout blasters for 5k-8k because the supply of them are unlimited. A entertainer who will charge too much will have another entertainer next to them charging less.
As for the Dr buffs I seen the price go from 25k down to 10k because of the amount of drs now buffing. I even get free buffs sometimes due to many drs in the area. The economy of this game is alot better then most. So what if an entertainer gouges the prices everyone has millions in their pocket that just collect dust. The entertainers deserve a free Market just like every other proffession.
Warryyr
Thu Jun 17, 2004 8:33 am
#78
SakeO wrote:
Do you really want force-sensitivity to be a requirement to make the best buffs? Many other professions are very concerned with this concept of superior jedi/whatevers being the pinnacle of the industry. I would not look at this as a slight but, as agodsend to entertainers.
SakeO
Interesting.
I would think that Force Sensitivity should yield better results in any profession. Luke, after all, made it through the Death Star trenches to make the kill shot - while using the Force to enhance his pilot skills. If people wanted to give better Entertainer buffs, why not be Force Sensitive? It doesn't mean you're a Jedi, you just have Force skills.
I do, however, see how being Force Sensitive can end up being a requirement for competing with others' products. Then everyone's Force Sensitive, and it loses the allure and coolness factor. However, at the same time, try to understand that Entertainers have felt very much left out for quite some time - and this was another area where we seem to be getting left out.
We are getting new Entertainer Quests, but from doing them on TC and hearing reports of higher level missions, they sound like more of the same without very much reward. Maybe the ultimate prize will be worth the time. Maybe not.