Entertainer Archive
Thread: Entertainer Strike On Naritus
Gotcha, Naritus server, Coronet Cantina. Its time to make my first entertainer bot to heal all the people while you have your little petty "strikes" because you don't want to earn your money. Thanks for the heads up 
Free healing coming to Naritus server tonight everyone!
Oh, and Cantinafly, you better pray to whatever god you believe in that I don't find out your server and character name. Because I will create an entertainer there and undercut you everytime you log on by offering my services for free to those you try to force to tip you.
YOU are whats wrong with the entertainer profession and YOU are why they are only going to get it worse.
You_Myst wrote:
CantinaFly wrote:
Okay, I've got a lot to say, so I'm going to organize it in parts.
First of all, to the whiny scab who thinks it's unfair for the strikers to blacklist her.
If you didn't want to piss people off, you shouldn't have crossed the picket line. Frankly, you were stupid to have returned the tips, since the refusal was probably the most pathetic attempt at taking a moral stand I have ever heard of. You want to be neutral, but neutral isn't a real option here. Given the position you are in, you are either with the strikers, or with the cheap asswipes that entertainers should heal them for nothing more than the pleasure of "providing a public service". You chose your side, now live with it. Don't try to justify yourself or be diplomatic about it. Have some backbone; if there's anything I hate more than a scab, it's a spineless scab. That goes for the rest of you entertainers who seem to think you can live in some kind of quasi-communist fantasy world where it's okay for the services you provide to be devalued because people can't be forced to pay for them.
Your restaurant analogy, as many people have pointed out, is beyond retarded. I would expect better logic from a kindergarten class. A better analogy would be if a restaurant shut down because people refused to pay for their food. Entertainers provide a service, a unique service, and people need to pay for it. All of this crap people are going on about how they have more important expenses...buddy, if healing your battle fatigue and mind wounds rates lower than buying a new gun, LIVE WITH THE MIND WOUNDS. You shouldn't be given the option of taking a free ride. If you think that entertainment isn't worth paying for, try living without it. People like you are exactly why a deny services function is needed in this game. I applaud the actions taken by the strikers, and I'm going to go on a strike of my own, aimed at the brainless, spineless scabs who are undermining them. Until I am forced to by an in-game mechanic, I absolutely refuse to tip any entertainers. I encourage other non-entertainers to do the same. Those of you who think that everyone can simply live off of the kindness of others will hopefully soon get a lesson in reality. Nobody will respect you until you force them to.
just cause it seems like there is 2 people writing your post.. in the first paragraph and the first half of the second... you berate me because i wont force tips... but in the second half of the last paragraph... you say you will absolutely refuse to pay a tip to ANY entertainers and encourage other non-entertainers to pay them either...sounds to me like its YOU that dont want to take a side... i took a very firm stand... i would not support the strike, but i wouldnt take advantage of it.
what is so wrong with not wanting to be like most that would have just went there to make tons of credits and rub it in the face of those that were outside?
in any case, the strike failed cause now they got very little to nobody to tip because of the strike since they only learned to not go to cornet for healing.
First of all, I am the only person who wrote that post. Second of all, I was not berating you because you wouldn't force tips. I was criticizing you for complaining about being treated differently by the entertainers who were on strike. A simple statement of fact is that scabs are disliked by people on strike. As you should be. Right or wrong, you're still a scab.
I fail to see how my attempt at giving an object lesson to the volunteerists like yourself on how the real world works (that is, never tipping you) makes it seem as if I'm not taking a side. I have taken a side, specifically against you and people like you. And you did not take a "firm" stand, you took a weak one. You tried to be on the side of the greedy, non-tipping bastards who made the strike necessary, but also tried to avoid directly opposing the others by claiming that you didn't profit from being a scab. This is a ridiculous argument. If I assassinate someone, but refuse to accept money from their enemies for killing them, is that going to make the victim's family like me any more than if I took the cash? Of course not. I'm just an assassin with no money. You're just a scab who cheated herself out of money. Get over hourself. It's wrong to be a hypocrite. You're either a scab, or you're helping the strike. In your position, that of an entertainer, there is no middle ground.
hows this for an idea for all you bitch ass crybabys who are pissin their pants about getting tipped or not getting tipped in cantinas by being an entertainer and doing what benefits you and the one listening to you,
You get +7 Melee and Ranged defense, add that to the +'s you get by being a brawler and you might find that you are actually one tough little beat box'r. Do missions be a part of the game, I spent the first 2 months of my life in SWG becomming a master musician, GREAT now I can play the Naglaron and all that other pretty jazz, but it sure is boring here in the Cantina now. So what did I do, took that well planned musician of mine got me some scouting skills (for camps) brawler skills (for money and XP) for me some Medic skills (for healing myself) and what now? I am a very proficient fighter/musician and am in high demand by those in need of someone like myself. I couldnt tell you how many people have friended me on their lists just due to the speed that I deliver my Mind heals and how I keep their game moving. not to mention the fact I can heal them also, tips are way way better this way, because people are actually out making money as oppose to sitting in the Cantina after spending a lump sum on supplies. . . . . . . .so what happens, I get mucho money and a helluva lot of friends.
So you out there who want to be the next SWG Liberacie or Stevie Ray Vaughn or Eric Clapton or whatever. . . .fine do it, but you have quite a bit of points left over to train in something to make your more self proficient and get off your welfare ass of asking for hand me downs from hard workers because what you are doing is no different than real life welfare, i.e. Little kids in the french market of New Orleans, if you 've never been there before you cant move more than 1/2 block without being bombarded by little kids who are tap dancing (peddling) for money.
So long live the well balanced proficient musician/entertainer and go on strike for those musicians who rely on welfare to support themselves. . . . .
"You get +7 Melee and Ranged defense, add that to the +'s you get by being a brawler and you might find that you are actually one tough little beat box'r."
AMEN! My master musician can tank better than any sub-master of any profession I've seen with equivolent armor. It might not look like a lot on paper, but the defense bonuses from master musician (I assume the same with dancer) are very noticeably helpful.
and...
LOL @ Cantina... anyone else feeling the aire of a high school forensics debate? 
I know I shouldn't bother, but...
1. No compensation at all? Even the lowest n00b entertainers I see are making some compensation. If you aren't making any compensation, as I've said, you are probably a crappy entertainer. There is more to this profession than standing around in a cantina flourishing at random, or naively thinking that you will ever be able to force someone to tip you.
2. This is a completely baseless, random, and silly statement... you don't even make any sense at this point.
3. Suggesting possible improvements to professions is fine... going on about one that will be completely ineffective, and doing so for weeks on end, is not however.
"I simply want to point out that refusing the reward for being a scab doesn't make you a better person than the people who accept the money."
In your opinion, apparently. However, that is like saying that Mother Theresa wasn't a better person because she did what she did for free, for God... that somehow she would've been equally as respected and as good of a person if she was doing it for wealth and fame. Not that there is anything wrong with accepting tips, but I'm sure the people that were refusing them were gaining a lot of people's respect that day.
CantinaFly wrote:
3. If there is a problem with a profession in SWG, the solution is not to suggest possible improvements or to discuss them with other players, but to simply move on to another profession.
Suggesting possible improvements yes, you however have never done this.
What you have continually done is latch on to a solution given for an entirely different problem and used that solution as a go ahead to exploit money from customers in the form of tip forcing.
If you feel that a salary (not tips) is required for your entertainment skills, suggest an improvement to the game that will allow you to earn a salary. Tips are Tips, Tips are not salaries.
Oh and name calling on boards does not grant real life respect
Hijo wrote:"You get +7 Melee and Ranged defense, add that to the +'s you get by being a brawler and you might find that you are actually one tough little beat box'r."
AMEN! My master musician can tank better than any sub-master of any profession I've seen with equivolent armor. It might not look like a lot on paper, but the defense bonuses from master musician (I assume the same with dancer) are very noticeably helpful.
and...
LOL @ Cantina... anyone else feeling the aire of a high school forensics debate? I know I shouldn't bother, but...
1. No compensation at all? Even the lowest n00b entertainers I see are making some compensation. If you aren't making any compensation, as I've said, you are probably a crappy entertainer. There is more to this profession than standing around in a cantina flourishing at random, or naively thinking that you will ever be able to force someone to tip you.
2. This is a completely baseless, random, and silly statement... you don't even make any sense at this point.
3. Suggesting possible improvements to professions is fine... going on about one that will be completely ineffective, and doing so for weeks on end, is not however.
"I simply want to point out that refusing the reward for being a scab doesn't make you a better person than the people who accept the money."
In your opinion, apparently. However, that is like saying that Mother Theresa wasn't a better person because she did what she did for free, for God... that somehow she would've been equally as respected and as good of a person if she was doing it for wealth and fame. Not that there is anything wrong with accepting tips, but I'm sure the people that were refusing them were gaining a lot of people's respect that day.
1. You have no real basis for making these assumptions. The fact remains that there is literally no way for a starting entertainer to make money doing what they do. Maybe they will, maybe they won't...but the quality of their entertainment has no effect on this. There's nothing stopping me from watching the greatest entertainment show ever and not paying a single credit for it in this game.
2. Your response is rather ironic, given that you just finished making similar statements that I "must" be a bad entertainer since I'm complaining about the profession. Clearly the only people having problems are bad entertainers, right? This is the same logic that says that the only people who would have a problem with police brutality are criminals.
3. You have no way of predicting how effective or ineffective this solution will be; your own theories do not qualify as fact.
And finally, your Mother Theresa example is rather flawed. To put it in a proper perspective, Mother Theresa did a good thing for little to no compensation. In the eyes of the people she helped, she was a good person. But that doesn't make a doctor, who does good things in exchange for money, a bad person, now does it? I would also point out that Mother Theresa was supported by donations, so she still received money of some sort.
Now, breaking picket lines is another matter entirely. Depending on the point of view, it is either a good thing or a bad thing, so we can't place it on a moral scale. It helped some people, and hurt others. But regardless of whether you received money for it, the people it hurt will be unhappy. My point is that it is silly to expect the strikers to think better of you because you didn't accept money for being a scab. They're still going to dislike you. And frankly, seeing as that comment had absolutely nothing to do with you, I'm curious as to why you've latched onto it. You couldn't be trying to troll me, could you? Regardless, I'm through, for the moment, with arguing with you. You are as immature and insulting as you claim I am, and I think we should both take a break. Our arguments have no basis in reality or fact, and it is wasteful to spend so much time flaming one another over our opinions on the economy and ethics of a fictional, online world.
Cantina the word you're searching for is flaming not trolling... but yes, I am flaming you. 
And it is because you make it so easy...
"And finally, your Mother Theresa example is rather flawed. To put it in a proper perspective, Mother Theresa did a good thing for little to no compensation. In the eyes of the people she helped, she was a good person. But that doesn't make a doctor, who does good things in exchange for money, a bad person, now does it? I would also point out that Mother Theresa was supported by donations, so she still received money of some sort."
Do your homework man. Mother Theresa was supported by her convent... to which any donation she received went. Mother Theresa herself owned nothing. She had no fancy clothes, no house, nothing... and it was uphill both ways, blah blah blah. Anyway, no of course it doesn't make a doctor a bad person, but which one do you think deserves more respect? Haven't seen many doctors being named as saints lately.
PS, just so you can remember where this is coming from, your original line was:
"And in case this wasn't made clear enough to you people, I am not criticising the scab simply for being a scab. In every strike, there are scabs. It's a fact of life; they have to be there. I simply want to point out that refusing the reward for being a scab doesn't make you a better person than the people who accept the money. A scab is a scab. Embrace your scabbiness."
That's some quality stuff there once again... /chuckle
Just for the record, I have performed with Meika Rei and found her to be a very kind and welcoming person. When I do run into her, I show her the respect she earned from the way she conducts herself.
I bring this up because I don't believe Cantina's use of "scab" was referring to a picket line breaker. I derrive this from his "Embrace your scabbiness" comment. What happened to having a productive discussion without resorting to calling people names and blanketing groups of people, with different views,as "morons".
Do I think the strike was right? No, I do not. I do however believe there is a need to implement some sort of payment system.
I believe that there should be an NPC behind the bar that gives gigs such as the following:
Approach the NPC behind the bar and request a gig. The NPC says he will pay you 500cr to play for 15 minutes. You go ahead and play. In 15 minutes, you get paid. It's that easy. The people watching are free to tip if they like your service (and not obligated to do so), and you are being paid to do what you were going to anyway. This would also stop the AFK macro-er from getting rich because they would be forced to speak to the NPC every 15 minutes.
Any comments?
dukdodgers wrote:Approach the NPC behind the bar and request a gig. The NPC says he will pay you 500cr to play for 15 minutes. You go ahead and play. In 15 minutes, you get paid. It's that easy. The people watching are free to tip if they like your service (and not obligated to do so), and you are being paid to do what you were going to anyway. This would also stop the AFK macro-er from getting rich because they would be forced to speak to the NPC every 15 minutes.
Actually, that's not bad. I like this way better than strikes or /deny.
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dukdodgers wrote:Just for the record, I have performed with Meika Rei and found her to be a very kind and welcoming person. When I do run into her, I show her the respect she earned from the way she conducts herself.
I bring this up because I don't believe Cantina's use of "scab" was referring to a picket line breaker. I derrive this from his "Embrace your scabbiness" comment. What happened to having a productive discussion without resorting to calling people names and blanketing groups of people, with different views, as "morons".
Do I think the strike was right? No, I do not. I do however believe there is a need to implement some sort of payment system.
I believe that there should be an NPC behind the bar that gives gigs such as the following:
Approach the NPC behind the bar and request a gig. The NPC says he will pay you 500cr to play for 15 minutes. You go ahead and play. In 15 minutes, you get paid. It's that easy. The people watching are free to tip if they like your service (and not obligated to do so), and you are being paid to do what you were going to anyway. This would also stop the AFK macro-er from getting rich because they would be forced to speak to the NPC every 15 minutes.
Any comments?
"Scab" is not exactly name-calling. It is the appropriate term for someone who breaks a picket line. There are a number of people who appreciate the work of scabs. And to clarify, I was referring to people like Hijo, who seemed offended by the existence of people with opinions different from their's, as "morons". I actually found your post pleasant to read. I used the phrase "you all" because it seemed (at the time) as if everyone posting in this thread fit that description. And that is all I have to say about Hijo and his ilk.
As for your idea, it sounds perfectly reasonable, but I disagree with the idea that players should be getting their money from NPCs. How can we build a player economy if all of the money is coming from outside of that economy (i.e. from NPCs)? It makes sense for combat characters to be paid this way, as they are part of a civil war. Those soldiers should then, in their offtime, stimulate the economy by purchasing products and services from the other professions. As it is now, delivery missions provide an infinite source of income for anyone who doesn't mind several hours of mindless walking. This "free money" creates instability in the economy that (in part) causes the skyrocketing prices seen on so many servers. A system that enforces supply and demand for the products and services of all professions in the game would go a long way to stabilizing the economy. Perhaps if all cantinas had a cover charge (refunded to performers after they have been playing/dancing for a set period of time to prevent people taking entertainment skills to dodge the fee), that would work. Instead of money magically appearing from NPCs that exist outside of the game's economy, they dancers and musicians would be paid based on the amount of traffic that comes to the cantina.
"And to clarify, I was referring to people like Hijo, who seemed offended by the existence of people with opinions different from their's, as "morons"."
heh, yea my flaming towards you has nothing to do with the fact that you continually callpeoplenames who have a different opinion than you... it's probably because I am "offended" that you have a different opinion. Yea that's it... lol
""Scab" is not exactly name-calling."
Bwahaha...
I am a Brawler/Teras Kasi Artist/Entertainer on the Eclipse Server (Jowltharr-Male Wookiee) and I can give everyone who went on strike some tips (no pun intended....or maybe it was )
-Try having a macro where you "Welcome everyone! Enjoy the show! And tips are welcome!" Being nice tends to have a positive effect on others.
-Talk to the PCs that enter the cantina. Ask them how they were hurt or what they've been up to. Again, being social is essential to the Entertainer profession (Dancer/Musician also).
-Enjoy yourself. This is a game. Credits are NOT hard to come by at all. While Entertainer missions do only pay about 200 creds (the good ones), they are NOT uber destroy missions. In fact, most are not evendestroy missions.
-Not be an **edit**. So some cheapskates didn't tip you. MAYBE THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE CASH TO TIP? MAYBE ONE OF THEM NEEDED EVERY CRED FOR THE NEW PAIR OF VIBROKNUCKLERS HE WAS PREPARING TO PURCHASE? MAYBE THEY WERE BUSY (IN REAL LIFE) AND HAD TO LOG OFF SOON? MAYBE THEY HAD TO HURRY AND HEAL TO CATCH UP WITH THEIR OTHER GROUP MEMBERS?
Ever think about some of that stuff? Entertainer is a great profession. Enjoyable and actually fun. In the immortal words of a close friend:
"Quit your bitching."