Entertainer Archive

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Drygo wrote:

You can still play though. Do you see that you are upset with the way the developers allowed the game to evolve rather than upset with the people that play the buffbots? And by crying for the buffbots to be banished you are hurting the people( your customers)that have learned to rely on them out of the low availability of ATK entertainers?

However, that does not mean that I can't also fault all of the people who run buffbots and exacerbate the problem. To do something like this with so little regard with how they have collectively ruined 2 elite professions (as well as a base profession if we were to include afk in general), is not going to win them favors in my book. There are people out there who have the decency to know that afk'ing and buffbot'ing is not good for the game and our professions and they don't use them. Just because something "bad" is made available to someone does not mean that they are free to make choices that greatly harm the game and not expect some kind of backlash.

I agree with ya

However removing buffbots will also hurt the combat professions as well.

Entertainers are asking people to not do something because it hurts a profession, but the "backlash" doesnt only hurt the buffbots. It hurts all combat professions that cannot find an entertainer to buff them. Because the entertainer profession has been diminished from Hologrinding it is rare to even find a dancer and musician that are willing to buff.

All I am asking is that we fix the problem that will be created by removing buffbots before they are removed.

This problem existed before buffbots.

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Drygo wrote:

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PistolDance wrote:

The only reason you would think I was attacking you is if you took what I said personally, which you did. All of your arguments have been attached to you personaly. I knew this would happen during our discussion because of thisand was going to comment on it but I thought you would take it as an attack so I avoided it

How could I even assume to know wether or not you are good at what you do? The fact that you would think I would assume should be proof to you that you might want to take a step back and breathe a bit before continuing.

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This is a classic argument used by people quite similar to the "if you deny it, it must be true" argument. The fact that I thought you were thinking that I was not good at what I do, is no proof whatsoever that that thought is true. It's not a logical argument. It's just a way to get under someone's skin by claiming some sort of superior thought process, which is based on faulty logic. I know it's not true, everybody that I interact with on Kettemoor knows it's not true. But, it obviously went through your mind, otherwise you would have not posted it to begin with. An assumption clearly crossed your mind when you were typing.

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omg Drygo I can assure you I am not trying to get under your skin. Please stop thinking I am speaking of you personally, leave yourself out of the argument. Leave you emotions out of the argument. I know this can be hard given what is going on but you cant solve problems when you are emotional.

Again I was not speaking of YOU personally, how could I, I dont even play on your server.

I asked you to ask the player that didnt want your services why he chose a buffbot over you.

The truth is Buffbots have a higher chance of buffing players properly, he doesnt know you personally, you didnt say he did and I never claimed he did. Therefore its not about you. Its about how that person feels about buffbots and ATK buffs.

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PistolDance wrote:

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Zilod wrote:

don't worry my english is really crappy i know

ehm is clear the difference by AFK sympton/cause?

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Well considering I dont speak any other languages, your english is just fine for me

I think we might see things the same way on this subject, we both feel AFK is what started entertainers to drop their profession?

If that is what you mean, then I agree with you, however I think it was also lack of content for entertainers as well

My point was buffbots are a symptom of the lack of entertainers. Because majority of entertainers quit because of all the AFK, people were not there to buff. So people made buffbots because AFK made the entertainers quit.

Message Edited by PistolDance on 07-31-2004 11:18 PM

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if i leave my house cause a rancor enter in it i will not return back before the rancor is gone

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PistolDance wrote:

However removing buffbots will also hurt the combat professions as well.

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Zilod wrote:

i agree 100% with that

but also i push it a bit more...

buffbots are afkers, so is not that they are just a "response" by players for lack of buffs, they are also the first cause that make not me play

AH! I get your point

you really think that all of these people simply gave it up and doesn't like anymore the entertainer profession? or are them more like me that had their fun ruined by afkers (holos or buffbots)?

I think again, it was both

But if you fix the afk problem before you fix the content problem there will be very few people to buff.

So why not fix the content first? Who knows, maybe some of the bots will actually like playing with new content?

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Message Edited by PistolDance on 07-31-2004 11:50 PM

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PistolDance wrote:

But why fix a problem in a way that will createnegative effectswhen you can fix it without negative effects?

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I don't see how that is possible.

I know you think that more content would get rid of the negative affects. I just don't see that happening. If I did, then I would be all for it. And, to be completely honest with you, I have my doubts that these "negative effects" from ending buffbots are truly negative. I see them as being positive for everyone involved because it will promote interdependency, which even the devs have clearly stated they want. Everybody wins when you have actual entertainers as your friends and guildmates, which would be promoted should buffbots go away.

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Padtai wrote:

You seem to assume people AFk or use AFK players only because they have to. Certainly that is one reason people run and rely on bots but it is no longer the only reason or perhaps no longer the most common reason. Right now the buffbot is run and used simply because people can. The sense that live players ought to be preferred is starting to fade from the mindset of the average player.

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I think this might be where you misunderstand me

I dont think they use them because they have to, I think they got used to using them because they had to.

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Drygo wrote:

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PistolDance wrote:

I just wanted to ask if you all have thought about what its like for a customer to walk into a cantina these days.

There are so many afkers spamming for heals and group invites it gets very laggy. Its a mess really.

So to deal with it, it becomesa get in and get out ordeal.

Get healed/buffed get out. Its not pleasant in there

They go to the first person they see buffing, the easiest, the fastest and get it done with.

Hopefully this will change a bit with the hologrinders gone. Ok, hopefully it will change a lot

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Adding more content won't really change the fact that the buffbots are there spamming every 10 seconds and making it unpleasant for people.

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Message Edited by PistolDance on 08-01-2004 01:08 AM

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PistolDance wrote:

I think perhaps what some of you are missing is that I am asking for the same things you are, just in a different order.

I am also asking everyone to look at ideas that will make a player choose an ATK over an AFK.

But those posts just get ignored, like I said, because everyone is so mad.

Wouldnt you rather have players choose to pay you for your services rather than be forced to?

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Tiaga wrote:
Adding content would attract entertainers to the content, not to the cantinas.

New songs/music? Can perform them anywhere. Theme parks? Quests? If anything that will draw entertainers away from the cantinas. As a master dancer, I can offer my buffs nearly anywhere with the help of houses, camps and the large number of cities. People only come looking in the cantinas.

As long as the only way to be competitive with the service buff-bots offer is to become a buff-bot, nothing else will help.

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Not if the quests worked like BH missions, a player purchased quest. A payout for entertainers to come where they are needed and perform. New dances (ones that actually went with the songs) new ways to enteract with customers.

There are a lot more ideas than just what the devs have proposed.

And I doubt doing away with buffbots will never happen because the developers know the content is so sparse there isnt enough entertainers to keep people buffed, so why not work out a new system that will make players look for ATK entrtainers instead of using a buffbot?