Entertainer Archive

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Kur wrote:

But,

Isn't this a problem you want corrected? You shouldn't give up. This is something you should be fighting for. Your profession is being cheapened by this behavior. Granted the Devs don't care, but don't you have a community advocate or something that is suppose to address these issues?

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I gotta say I still have not managed to get a crafting buff for my crafty toon Chyyk since this has gone live

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Kur wrote:

But,

Isn't this a problem you want corrected? You shouldn't give up. This is something you should be fighting for. Your profession is being cheapened by this behavior. Granted the Devs don't care, but don't you have a community advocate or something that is suppose to address these issues?

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Actually we're done fighting. We lost the war. It's now up to you folks to fight the war for us. Good luck with that. I'll warn you that you'll have to convince people that all AFK is bad. Not just AFK looting. Not just AFK Combat grinding. Not just AFK doctor healing (how is it that got fixed but the rest is still going on by the way?). But all AFK. You'll have to do this in the face of devs who post that "AFK entertainers still serve a purpose" You'll have to do this in the face of players who say I can't find an ATKer so just make it AFK already." You'll have to do this in the face of people who say "It's my $15 a month and I'll play the way I want." You'll have to do this in the face of people who say "It's boring. I don't want to stay at the keyboard and watch my toon do nothing but dance or play music all day". You'll have to do this in the face of people who say "I'm providing a valuable service." Hopefully that'll give you a head start on the arguments you'll be having and the wars you'll be waging. Good luck and godspeed to you.

Sarcasm aside for the moment. Where have you been for the past 2 years? You act like we just heard that afk entertaining might be a wee bit of an inconvenience for a couple of people. Okay so I wasn't actually able to keep sarcasm out of it. But holy nunas you have got to be kidding me.

In the beginning AFK was and still is the problem. What spawned because of the AFKing is why people left the professions.

What spawned was the terrible treatment people gave entertainers. All that has kept me in the profession was a good group of friends, a small group of really nice people who showed entertainers respect, and Jump to Light Speed (since that allowed me to get out of the cantina.)

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Kur wrote:
Let me just say that as a crafter, i would like the new buff available to me. When I need it.

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Then take the steps we have outlined. Search for them a few times, put active ones on your friends list, and send them tells when you need the buffs.

But also you need to understand that player-produced services -- ANY player produced services -- are not going to be at your beck-and-call 24/7. For example, re-word your post:

"As a pet owner, I want a CH to train my pet for me. When I need it."

"As a shopper, I want customized +25/+25 clothing of the exact type and color of my choice available to me. When I need it."

"As a merchant in need of merchant XP, I want shoppers available to me. When I need them."

"As someone in need of a makeover, I want an ID available to me. When I need her."

None of those other things are available all day, every day, at the press of a button. You want your pet trained? You are going to have to do some work and find a CH. There aren't "CH vendors" where you can download pet training. You want not just clothes but custom-made clothes, of the type and color you desire, with +25/+25 enhancers on them? You won't find those (except by sheer luck) on a vendor; you're going to have to find a living, breathing tailor and have the stuff custom made for you (and the tailor is probably going to have to find a living, breathing BE to make tissues for him/her). You want merchant XP? It ain't coming just whenever you want it -- you have to wait for people to actually shop on your vendors and buy your stuff. You want to be IDed? You are going to have to find an IDer who is willing to sit there and patiently go through selections for you until your character looks the way you want.

What I don't understand is, why are all other player-produced services accepted as being something you may have to hunt and do some work for, but crafting buffs aren't?

I think the reason is based in what people are used to. People are used to the fact that their new pet is going to have to be trained by someone, and that they might have to search a while to find the right trainer. They are used to, upon finding that nice person who happily works with you to train your pet using command words you want, putting the CH on their friends list so they can find him again next time. They are used to, upon finding a tailor that will work with them, putting that tailor on a friends list so they can get help again. They are used to having to wait for merchant XP to come in from other players. They are used to being unable to change their appearance without the help of another player, an IDer, so they go looking for an MID. They are used to these things, so they just accept them.

With entertainers, all previous stuff could be AFKed, and mostly was. People got used to just walking into the AFK zombie yard, doing a quick /watch, getting their buff, and going away. They are not used to having to actually find and interact with entertainers, so they try the old way, with the old expectations, and when those don't pan out, they are frustrated.

This means that you have to follow Yoda's advice. "Unlearn what you have learned." Realize that entertainers, with regard to the crafter buff, are now exactly like those other player-produced-service professions, and approach it the same way you would approach getting a pet trained or getting yourself IDed. Because that's the only way it is going to work.

C

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Kur wrote:

Ikewe,

I have been here the past 2 years watching the number of entertainers drop by 75%. And now 80-90 % of those who are now in the field, are AFK. I don't use AFKs. The game has really changed the importance of many professions from Entertainer to Pikeman. As this could quickly become a convesation about what prof is nerfed and so on and so forth, let me just say that as a crafter, i would like the new buff available to me. When I need it

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As an entertainer who dropped all of her medic skills in order to pick up novice musician to help provide musician buffs, I want crafters to be there when I want to perform. But that's not always the case. My point isn't about who got the nerf bat and who didn't. My point is we have been literally screaming about the afk issue for 2 years and got no where. Now someone comes in here and says "aren't you concerned afk is giving you a bad name?" GUH??? As entertainers we can only do so much. I've started getting up early each morning and logging in to my server to see if any early morning crafters need buffs before I head off to work. I've been hunting and exploring a lot less so that should a crafter come into the cantina or use the ent chat I can respond quickly. I think you'll find many entertainers are making a lot of effort. But it can't be a one way street. We need the rest of the player base to do the same. Let those afktainers you see know that their afk efforts aren't wanted. Let the devs know you don't want afk play of any kind in the game. Make use of the tools we have to find us and suggest additional, global tools to your forum corrs so that they can present those ideas to the devs. But what ever you do, please don't come to our forums and make it sound like you think we've had our heads buried in the sand for 2 years.

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Kur wrote:

As this could quickly become a convesation about what prof is nerfed and so on and so forth, let me just say that as a crafter, i would like the new buff available to me. When I need it

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I have read this whole thread, and have found it very interesting and enlightening.

I am a Master Architect. In order to make the harvesters and crafting stations people want I need the buff. Please check to the left, and note I am on Tarq .

I have had trouble finding a Novice Musician to get my buff sometimes. And to my fellow crafters, please note the following:

Crafters didn't ask for this. Our game play has changed because now we need the buff for crafting the top items, but SO HAS the entertainers game been changed just as much or more. Remember, the Entertainers didn't ASK for this either.

AND, the entertainer prof has really suffered from Dev "Love?" for over a year. So I understand why they have a short fuse, who wouldn't??

The real problem is the entertainer prof was so nerfed for so long, there simply aren't that many around anymore. Most AFKing ents are peoples Alts who they are trying to level up so that they can ignore the ATK entertainers. This is also a nerf to their prof, and they have been complaining about this for years. What did they get? The big 'ole Nerf Bat!

Change is always traumatic, and we need to work together. I never knew Entertainers placed players on ignore list for advertising. I never did the advertising and at first reading, I thaught this was unfair. But after reading the whole thread, I can understand why this evolved.

Suggestions I have:

1. Create an advertising free zone around cantinas. Make zones large enough so that spatial spam does not appear in the windows of players within the cantina. Mark it somehow, let players know that if they spam within the zone, they will be placed on the ignore list, or turned in for Spaming. This will allow the Entertainers to Maybe, edit their ignore lists and give people another chance. It would be up to the Entertainers to do this. I am sure Alot of players never knew this was a problem and have no idea they were causeing a negative game experience to Entertainers (just the rest of us LOL)

2. Make all buffing active so that AFKers can not buff. They can be watched, and gain XP, but can not buff.

3. Give XP to entertainers for buffing. They should get an XP bonus for applying a buff (which can not be applied via AFK).

What I am asking is, for both Entertainers AND Crafters to be patient with each other. The Entertainers got thrown to the lions on this one. They do not necessarily understand the elite crafting profs, nor should they have to. Reversely, we elit crafters are mostly clueless about the Entertainer Profs.

Is it frustrating to not just log on and start crafting? Yes. Is it frustrating to not be able to find an elite entertainer to apply a buff for us? Yes. BUT....It is not the entertainers fault. Fellow crafters, we must temper our frustration and realize its the Devs fault!

If we respect each other, and realize the past is the past, we can get through the early stages of this change, and creat something fun and workable for all .

My 2 cents.

Oceaf
Master in Artisian, Architect...(blah blah)
Expert in Whitty Harvester Names

• Loot


• Resources


• One for each crafting Professon


• Entertainment


• Events

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--Qilue-UCW-- wrote:

My solution to the whole advestising thing is to allow people to "Craft" advertisments.

They would be simple one metal items that get a special Listins on tha Bazaar.. And there are Diffrent Types. All one would have to do isClick the Advertiusemnt tab, then The Type of add your looking for

• Loot
• Resources
• One for each crafting Professon
• Entertainment
• Events

Anyone can craft Everyone of them...

You then craft one, and Place it on the Bazaar, and in the Information Box, You put all that spammy stuff.

What you sell Prices when you last Restocked.. all that stuff.

There, you have an "Add" its spam free and easy to find.

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I think that would be wonderful, if used properly.

However, given the playerbase's response to the Auction channel (to ignore it and just use spatial), I think it may be hard to get that one to be accepted by the masses.

Despite the fact that I think it rocks and would give people an incredible new creative tool.

Some people just don't see how they come off to other people, almost funny.

"I can't find an entertainer thats not AFK" (We won't mention the likelyhood of being on the ignore list of many ATK preformers judging by your posts here, eh?)

watch the crafters leave

watch the servers die

This is but another nail in the coffin imho.Say what you want but the crafters are all saying the same thing and you are not listining. The General forum was not as besieged by flame as this one was and comments were constructive. Take a look in the mirror, we are all in the same game. Without crafters there is no use for ATK musicians ATM. How do you feel about that? Think my post was a flame on ents? It was an attempt to help you get your code fixed but you seem to have turned against your only customers. Good job.

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