Entertainer Archive

Here's the thing. Most of us agree with you that all the buffs should be active. We aren't the ones who said.. "now that entertainer numbers have dwindled to such low numbers let's make buffs for crafters and make them active.. and let's look at the numbers closely.. yep the weaponsmiths, armorsmiths, etc.. will need musicians because there are even fewer of them." We've been pleading with other players for nearly as long as I can remember to add entertainer to their friends lists. We've been warning the community that our numbers were getting so low that the professions were virtually dead. And now that that future has unfolded just as we predicted, we're the ones getting smacked for it. Guh?

Right off the bat your post wasn't just a rant. It was pointing the finger at entertainers. The very title of your post says it all. I can understand you're angry. But getting angry at the community that's struggling to recover and provide the new buffs as best we can is doing what exactly? I am sick to death of being told I don't understand how "devastating this is to the crafter community" I've done about all I can do to help the crafters. I suppose I could quit my RL job and create characters on all the servers and set up an elaborate cross server tell system with a non-stop drip of amphetamines... But I'd probably die of a massive stroke or find myself being transported to an asylum before the first 24 hours were up. It's time the crafters tried to help themselves. Don't just run willy nilly to cantinas looking for a musician. You have the names of some ents now right? Put them on your friends list. Ask them if they are able to log on at such and such times as you usually craft then. It's not as hard as you are making it out to be. Really it's not.If it were, then no other crafters would have the buff on your server either and the change in stats would mean absolutely nothing.

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wparson wrote:
Let we tell you why itys YOUR problem.. I do not have anyone on my ignore list other than CCF and people who abuse advertising.. Also my profesion is not as dependant on personal communiction as your is.

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... wrong again.

My profession does not depend on communicating with EVERYONE... If I have annoying people ignored, it enhances my gameplay because I can concentrate on the nice people in the game.

You seem to think as an entertainer I somehow benefit from giving you a buff. Let me disabuse you: I gain no benefit whatsoever from giving people a buff. I get no XP, I get no buff, I get NOTHING from giving a buff. It is an act of pure giving on my part. So to then turn around and tell me that this act of essentially CHARITY on my part is something that is my problem if I can't give it, I just laugh at you.

Oh you are going to tell me now that I will be paid handsomely? Kid, I have almost 15 million in my bank account and nothing to spend it on since my house is paid up for like a year and I already have several of almost every kind of clothing available for my character. You couldn't tip me enough for me to CARE whether you tipped me or not, at least not financially. (I do appreciate the thought even when someone tips me 100 credits, but I don't need any of it.)

Let me reiterate. I get ZERO benefit from buffing. Zero. Nothing. Nada. Just like I get zero from Image Designing. I do them because I like doing them. They are fun.

If someone comes along and, through spamming or being an annoying little twerp one way or the other, makes the experience not fun, it's insant /addignore. Period. I have no need to buff people or listen to them, so I just ignore them if they annoy me. And you will find LOTS of dancers in the same boat as me.

C

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PoetDancer wrote:
Perhaps that is why I felt so at home in the old system. I was not so bold as to pick and choose who will be part of "my game." I simply took them as they were--for good, and for bad.

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That is your call, of course. If that is fun for you, that is what you should do.

Me... I cannot have fun while being harassed, spammed, or irritated. Irritation is not fun. Being unable to read what my friends are saying because people are spamming it off the chat window so fast I cannot read it, is not fun. My solution to this is /addignore. This is a game, and I play it to have fun. I already have to take real people in the real world for good or bad... I am not going to clutter up my fun-time on a game, with the same crap that goes on in real life. If they are interrupting my fun in the tiniest possible way... that's it. I delete them from my experience.

Tonight for instance, two Jedi were powers-saber spamming in the cantina. They wouldn't cut it out when asked, and it was making a lot of noise. My solution was to go into ctrl-O and turn off the effects volume (turned it down to 0). End of problem. Basically it was equal to /ignoring their sound effects (I promtply /addignored them also, so they became non-entities, unless I tilted the camera toward them, which I tried not to do). I am busy trying to have fun in the game. If someone's making it not-fun, then I make that someone be not-there, to me. I have that right. It's not about "power" over someone else -- I have NO effect on them when I ignore them. It's about controlling your own ability to have fun. And I *will* do that, to the fullest of my ability. If people think that makes me an "/addignore nazi", let 'em.

C

Message Edited by PoetDancer on 09-09-2005 02:26 PM

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PoetDancer wrote:

If we wanted power so badly, entertainers, why not just use our power to leave the venue? Make it so when we do leave the abuse, we leave room for a resolution.

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Leaving room for a resolution?

You assume that people WANT a resolution. I addignore people who know that they are negatively impacting the game world and who don't care that they are doing so. They don't want a resolution where everyone can be happy skipping around holding hands. They want their demands met now and don't give a damn about anyone else.

To use Beli as an example -- I would never addignore him. Not only because he's my friend and a great guy, but because he was there making an effort to improve the cantina. Just because a song is on a macro doesn't make it spam, until it's repeated multiple times without stopping. An example there is the AFKer in Dant MO who has jokes repeating on a macro. He's not there, he's not making any effort to improve the cantina. He's addignored because he's spamming.

Now, I can go into Dant MO and be an ATK entertainer, while still being able to find the people who want to be buffed, because I've addignored the joke spammers and the vendor spammers. I can see Beli's songs, because I don't have someone begging me to tip them every 30 seconds. How is it "power" to leave instead of excising the problem? What happens when we all leave, and there is nothing but AFKers left? Frustrated patrons who never did anything wrong. I would much rather have the frustrated person be the one who had done something to detract from the cantina atmosphere than have the frustrated person be an innocent who just wanted a buff.

Message Edited by Doriana on 09-09-2005 03:47 PM

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wparson wrote:

I give up, you guys just don't get it. After about 5 personal attacks you are still saying i don't repect your profesion?

1) this is not a single experience it was a week of experiences, my own and others.

2) I have not personally attacked anyone that has not attacked my integrity first with unvalid claims.

3) I am only trying to raise concern over issues within your profesion, not your players. I did not turn this into a personal flame thread look above to see who did. My frustration with getting artisan buffs instead of WS buffs only adds to the frustartion of not being able to get one at all.

4) I have gone to great lenths in the past to use ATK ent whenever possible and I have tipped them well for their persoanl service.

5) when said boost is givin it becomes necesary most times, not optional. Look what doc buffs used to be for example. I have already explaned the reasoning behind this. I suppose it would be hard to understand unless you were a crater competing on the level of #1 resources, FS crafting, and all the other mods necessary to make top level crafted items. Without said uneccesay buff you are at least 2% behind perfect not counting subassemblies which would compound the loss.

6) advertising is part of the game, i don't know why you are attacking it, even amoung your own, if it was not supposed to be, it wouldn't be here. People who abuse spamming are banned when reported. I never abused it and have not even used this technique since patch 17. But once again i have no idea how this turned to that issue. Also spacial adds are not rare coming from afk ents on flurry , they have been around since i started playing and they still persist right now. Walk into MO cantina anytime.

My tone is that of a frustrated crafter who has watched nerf after nerf over the last 5 patches. Im sure you know how that feels with BF gone and all the other nerfs to hit ents. My goal was to get attention I saw one corespondant reply so i got what I wanted now we will see where it goes.

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We would appreciate your respect over your tips and insults.

Saying that if something was not supposed to be in-game it wouldn't be is a logical fallacy. Bugs are not supposed to be in-game, exploits aren't, and as you yourself mentioned, doctor buffs were in-game for 18 months before they were removed. For more than a fair share of that period, they were not supposed to be in-game.

Again, though. These are not issues within our profession, as you claim several times, including in the placement of this thread. These are issues with your server, with the particular players who did not know their skillsets, and issues with assumptions that you will be the only crafter without these buffs. If you are as dedicated and spend as much time in-game as you claim to, and you still can not find a single ATK, competent performer, I doubt anyone else will either. Yet, they do not come to our forum and pick fights, twist words, or indirectly question our competence.

To repeat, bringing up AFK entertainer spam has no relevance. That's not us, and most AFK entertainers don't even read the forums. You're wasting your time on that one and further alienating us.

Your goal to get attention was accomplished. I sincerely doubt that any correspondent brings cross-board trolling to the Devs for comment, but I hope your issue is resolved in any case.

I have been an elite crafter for a combined 20 months of SWG. I understand that world and its pressures quite well. I never blamed combatants if I couldn't get an experimentation tape or loot...I just did the best I could, and was incredibly successful as a result, because I didn't alienate my server or future customers.

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wparson wrote:

My tone is that of a frustrated crafter who has watched nerf after nerf over the last 5 patches.

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What you are refusing to even acknowledge is that your past behavior is every bit a part of your current situation as any so-called "nerfs."

Take responsibility for your actions, instead of coming here and blaming us. Perhaps it will help you learn the definition of maturity.

By the way, would you like it if I went to the WS forum and posted "It's an INSULT for me to have to WASTE MY TIME buffing weaponsmiths?"

After the CU the /ENT channel on Kett became useless, it became a general combat "leet" chat channel and after getting flamed for complaining about that I left it forever. Entertainers have been treated like crap for so long, if you can't find one now that you "need" one for your buff you have no one to blame but yourself and your fellow players. We got chased out of the NPC cantinas, we were marginalized and trivialized for so long that we retreated into our own little cliques. Well, now that we have something that you finally want its too bad if you have a problem finding anyone available or willing to provide it for you.

Ifyou don't like the need for the new buffs, or how hard it is to find someone to supply one, well, too damn bad. Oh boo hoo. I feel so bad for you. I've been a Master Dancer for over two years now and have put up with one hell of a lot of crap from SOE and the players in SWG so you can expect very little sympathy from me.

/target Ravanne

/you-go-girl

C

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Kur wrote:
Cut the AFK. Everyone will be happy

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This is not the right place to post this. The AFKers, other than one or two trolls, do not read or post to this forum. 99.99% of the entertainers who read this forum do not perform AFK. In short, you're preaching to the choir. It's like telling the Pope he should convert to Catholicism.

We agree with you. AFKing is the problem. It should never have been allowed. It should be taken out of the game. There is nothing we can do about it. We have asked over and over, and the devs do not care.

Take it up with the devs. Not us.

C

I encourage you to read 2 years of back-posts worth of us begging, pleading, demanding, threatening, screaming, shouting, whispering, expounding, on the issue of AFK.

My point is this: telling the people on this forum "Cut out the AFKing" (your words, not mine) is very much wasting your time, because we already want it cut and just about everyone who reads this post already agrees with you.

This is not something WE can do. We already do what we can -- which is not to AFK. The only people who can actually stop the AFKing are the devs. Take it up with them.

C