Entertainer Archive
Thread: L.A.M.Er (Longterm, AFK, Macro, Entertainer)
AFK/macro all you want, however, do not expect me to ever, ever tip you for it. Play the game or go find another game is what it comes down to. If the profession is so boring to you that you can't earn your XP the right way, then find another profession. I am a Novice Musician and have never, not once, AFKed. I play with a group of friends, i find a group and become friends with them, etc. I will never tip you, never teach you, never help you. At the moment, you are able to AFK, exploit things, etc. However, these things are slowly being weeded out and eventually, hopefully AFKerswill be too.
Maevir Songo
Pistoleer/Scout/Musician
Concillium-EZ Company
Gorath
Once again I say "mind your own".
Dear... when all of the other professions are telling me that Entertainers are useless and they should be nerfed because they can get to Master entirely AFK, then yes, I think AFK macro people harm the profession. You cannot say that they don't. It may not hurt you any, but it hurts the image of the thousands of legitimate dancers.
The purpose of entertainers is not just to heal. It's to ENTERTAIN. We are, after all, ENTERAINERS. You can't entertain if you are not there. Simple as that.
I can understand leaving your dancer AFK in a deserted place while you are at school so people can be healed. Many fighters are thankful for that. However, AFK macroing does hurt our profession. Do I need to post all the topics that others have posted on how stupid the entertainer profession is? AFK macroers have destroyed the title of Master.
"Don't give me all this bs about how you are somehow harmed by people going AFK, it's crap, it's elitist, and it's not your business."
Cool. Next time I play my doctorand I'm the only one in the group who has any healing capability, I'm going to put follow on and go AFK. I'm sure the people in my group won't beelitists and think that them dying since there was no one there to heal is any of their business and I'm absolutely positive that I'll be invited to group again by those same people many, many times!
Can I quote you when my group complains and boots me? 
linzen wrote:
BTW, a lot of people are saying that if a member of your group is afk for too long you should kick them from the group. I think that idea is just fine. You shouldn't feel required to have someone in group that you dont want there any more then the afker should feel required to take a side room...
And I just did this an hour ago. I walked into Keren cantina with 2 old friends to do some performing. There was some Twi'lek honey doing exotic in there that I had never seen before. She didn't say anything to us. We grouped up, and started regular RP. I was leader. She still said nothing. One of the others asked if she wanted to group. No response. OK, AFK Macroer. Tough luck, no group for you. She came up for air eventually but never did ask us to group up with her. Which is fine with be because I would've said no.
Then another girl came in who I knew was an inveterate LAMEr. She does it ALL the time and she is devious about it... She has very clever macros with subtle emotes (bow, stretch, smile) on a very slow timer so it really looks like she is there. Anyone just walking in to get healed and walking out would probably think she was there -- only by being in the cantina for an hour and realizing the exactly perfect regular spacing of her emotes and her lack of real reaction to what is going on around her do you realize she is AFK.
Anyway, she asked to group up. I had reservations but she seemed to be chatting and stuff and talked about wanting to get Image Design XP. Well, that's fine with me then, she has to be AT KEYBOARD to do that.
So I let her into the group and she ID'ed the other 2 group members for a while (I did not offer to let her do me, and she did not ask me directly). A medic/combat type came in and started doing action heals, and meanwhile she switched to a very revealing outfit and started dancing exotic. She specifically said to the medic, "Please don't heal me I need to check my macro timings."
I thought, oh here we go, and I was right. I watched her. Same flourish sequences 3 or 4 times in a row, same subtle smile and bow emotes on a slow timer. She's a bot again. So I checked.. "Hey, what does your guild stand for?" (it was a 3 letter abbrevation). No response. Another question directly to her, "Are you there? Hello?" No response.
At that point, I kicked her from the group. She stood right smack in the middle of the cantina (where she had deliberately placed herself of course) and did her macro thing, but I guess the rest of us just ignored her (I did).
Know the funny thing? When I booted her from the group, nobody said a word. Nobody asked why, or said anything to her any more for the rest of the night.
Bah... this is an annoying habit. You're telling me I don't have a right to be annoyed by it? Please. Don't tell me how to feel, or how to think. I can do those for myself quite well thank you.
These people are obnoxious. You want to say, "They pay $15 a month for the game they have the right to be obnoxious boors" go right ahead, but I still find the behavior indefensible and I look forward to the day when the AFK macro BUG (that's right, BUG is what I consider it) is squashed.
C
A lot of people would not be entertainers if they thought that AFK macroing was an acceptable approach to playing the game. I'm one of them. To me, it would be utterly pointless. Perhaps that's the achiever side of me coming out. I'm in for the challenge and for the recognition when I reach a goal.
Challenge as an entertainer entails staying with it and making it fun by interacting. Yes, it's challenging--especially given the limits and time requirements imposed on entertainers.
You say, "leave me alone because I'm not hurting you at all." I say, "go away because you're making my effort pointless."
Mysocializer sidealso has problems with AFK macroers.I'm herebecauseI like to interact with real people. If there are no real people there to interact with, what's the point? I certainly don't like going to a crowded cantina where nobody is there. (Yes, it has and will happen.)
You say that these are personal problems that I shoulddeal withbecause you're too inconsiderate to realize it? That may be fine and dandy in the real world, but not when I'm paying $15/month (as people areso fond of mentioning) to play a class that issupposed to be catered to people like me with the one HUGE exception: the AFK macroing ability.
I just thought of another great idea. Let's lobby for entertainer terminals like the ones going in on the Test Center for correspondents where we can gain whatever exp we want at any time at the click of a button. Why bother using up an active player slot (preventing someone to get online at peak times) when it could be so much easier? Why didn't I think of this before? No risk, no challenge, no interaction, all the reward! That would make the entertainer profession SO worthwhile!
(sigh...every post I see about this gets me more and more irritated)
linzen wrote:
The real problem is that SOE doesnt let us out of the cantina without training another profession, so some of you get cabin fever and start looking around for others to put down so you can feel better about yourselves. The AFKers are sitting right there, great targets aof opportunity for your arrogance.
Mind your own...
How much more out your butt can you get in your posts while you're trying to defend how you go afk and still gain skill for your character, linzen?
The only reason you're able to do this is because this game wasn't as finished as it should have been before hitting the shelves. That alone allows you to take advantage of this situation. Which of course is what you and other afk "entertainers" aredoing. But that doesn't mean you're not full of crap with your excuses, your bs claims that those who don't afk and don't approve of it areelitist, and the sort of reasoning you're trying to peddle here in this thread.
There are no mogs out there that condone players being afk, running off to school, work, or anywhere else while their character continues to stay in the game and gain skill and experience. The makers of thisgame and the majority of it's players don't condone it either. Eventually the mechanics of the game will catch up with this problem and fix it.
In the meantimethe players who really want to play entertainers have to put up with you players who'll never really be entertainers all,but onlytake up the space where an entertainer ought to be.
Mind this, pal.
"Contriving scenarios"? I didn't know that the definition of contriving was "to walk into a cantina time and again and see something happening".
Linzen, you're not just an idiot, you're also a jerk, and you need to take an English class. That is not what contriving means, dolt. Look it up.
Well, I said it before but I'll say it again. If you're paying $15 a month to start up SWG, plant yourself in a cantina, start up your macros and walk away... You're not very smart. You could actually save $15 a month by not bothering.
MrEntropy5 wrote:Well, I said it before but I'll say it again. If you're paying $15 a month to start up SWG, plant yourself in a cantina, start up your macros and walk away... You're not very smart. You could actually save $15 a month by not bothering.
Yeah and the main consolation is that these people will eventually realize this and either switch professions or quit the game, leaving the cantinas available for whatever active dancers could stomach the AFK Macro scene up to that point...
C
once again I come to aid of the players with a brillant solution to SOE lack luster gamesmanship. Look for my genius in the medic thread on lowca (devs this means you)
the answer to this is very simple, xp and entertainment healing should be based on originality and vareity. just as in a game like Tony Hawk when you do the same move over and over you get no points, you should have to change up the performance to get your xp and healing going. and it shoudl vary based on the mood of the audiance. a pop up box like the artisans have for surveying would be perfect but it would really be interactive "the crowd seems to be lookign for something jazzier" then you switch to jazz and you get xp, otherwise nothing. right now there is nothing of this sort. the reason the AFKer's do what they do is, if you don't work **edit** hard at making the entertainment profession fun, the game isn't going to provide you with any. what most REAL entertainers do in this game they could just as easily be doing in a chat room named "star wars chat" on AOL. C'mon devs content means more than MOBs and Loot
P.S. My mariachi character is made as hell that he needs to do makeup and dance to learn to use a guitar (madoviol) how could there be an instrument a master musican can't play(advanced profession) but a Master entertainer(basic profession) can?