Entertainer Archive
Thread: I am TIRED of hearing that AFK Macro doesn't hurt other entertainers
baracu wrote:
Sure, I *can* have fun playing music if I want but who are you to day I have to be there, at my keyboard, pushing buttons to make fancy moves, etc. if I don't want to be? You? If YOU think YOU have that right then I or anyone else would have the same right to say YOU should not be having fun playing/dancing! Why should I be suffer because YOU don't want to be AFK? If for any given reason I wish to aquire the skill to heal fatigue, let me do it my way. You do it yours.
Ooh ooh I like that argument.. Let me try!
*ahem*
Sure, I *can* have fun killing mobs if I want to but who are you to day I have to be there, at my keyboard, pushing buttons to make fancy shots, etc. if I don't want to be? You? If YOU think YOU have that right then I or anyone else would have the same right to say YOU should not be having fun shooting/killing! Why should I be suffer because YOU don't want to be AFK? If for any given reason I wish to aquire the skill to attack mobs, let me do it my way. You do it yours.
Ick, I feel dirty copying all the typos and bad spelling... But in case it hasn't sunk in, let me try another one...
Sure, I *can* have fun crafting weapons if I want to but who are you to day I have to be there, at my keyboard, pushing buttons to make awesome weapons, etc. if I don't want to be? You? If YOU think YOU have the right then I or anyone else would have the same right to say YOU should not be having fun crafting/selling! Why should I be suffer because YOU don't want to be AFK? If for any given reason I wish to aquire the skill to create weapons, let me do it my way. You do it yours.
Okay, so theoretically that one could work using harvesters/factories.. But my god the cost would be so prohibitive and it would just take so long to actually get xp. Not to mention there is still a lot of legwork involved.
The point I'm trying to make that you probably missed is those are absolutely silly. It doesn't work that way. You can't just set a macro, go away, and come back having killed a ton of creatures, harvested their hides, and made a camp to heal yourself. And it isn't me that says that, it's SOE. Why do you single out entertainers as the one thing you can do AFK? Or do you just want everything to do that? It wouldn't be a terribly exciting game if that were the case. You know, theres a REASON they have characters start out without skills instead of just letting you populate the skill tree as you create your character. It's called the challenge of getting there. In the case of entertainers, the "challenge" is the patience for and enjoyment of the journey. Should they make an area of one shot kills that give thousands of xp for the people that don't enjoy grinding combat xp just so they can get to master elite combat professions faster?
And by the way, you are telling me I can't have fun. It's not very fun when I go into a crowded cantina and every single person is AFK.
Sounds like something I did last night. I was in a group that was playing rock. I hadn't played rock on the Nalargon and did not know what song we were playing. I might have recognized it except that when I play, I drown out all the other performers and can barely hear them at all. Should I have recognized it, well maybe, but my character is a Master Musician, me personally, I can't play or sing.
Nymm wrote:
Most of the damage is done. I'd say easilly more than half the master dancers/muscians got there by afk macro'ing. I was in a group the other day w/ a master musician who didn't know we were playing SW3 and wanted to know what was the name of the song we were playing. These are the type of things that master musician's should know. Anyways...
thornz0 wrote:
The devs included the system, and have to my knowledge given no indication theres anythign wrong with it.
They din't include an AFK entertainer ability. That is purely player created. They just created a powerful command system and a macro layer to use it. With something like that, it is inevitable there will be applications that weren't intended. Some good, some bad. And there are plenty of indications there is anything wrong with it, they just haven't come out and said "this is wrong don't do it". If they did that for everything wrong they'd have quite a novel to publish.
- They've already nerfed one type of looping macro.
- They EULA says no macros or third party programs can be used in such a way, I forget the exact wording.
- They already nerfed the xp from bandflourishes in beta, which would have enabled the exact same sort of situation.
But I know that won't make a difference to people who don't want to hear no for an answer, so they will interpret anything not exactly a no as a yes.
if i were you I'd be requesting systems to increase your usefulness and broaden your opportunities to dance/compose, not crying nerf on others because they have alternative goals/reasons. Thats just incredibly selfish.
Yeah, increase the usefullness so we'll have even MORE people AFK in the cantinas trying to get to the useful skills. I'll pass thank you.
Let me ask you something, if you don't enjoy the class, WHY WOULD YOU TAKE IT? There are plenty out there who DO enjoy being an entertainer. Let them do it for you.
baracu wrote:
Why should I be suffer because YOU don't want to be AFK?
All right, I will flip this around. You don't want to suffer because the real, "full time" entertainers do not want to be AFK. Good good.
Know what? Us "real" entertainers are having a miserable time in certain venues (crowded cantinas, and elsewhere) because of the AFK Macro entertainers (LAMErs, aptly named). So I will flip it around: Why should *I* suffer because *YOU* want to be AFK?
If you have a right not to suffer from what I want to do, I have a right not to suffer from what you want to do.
If you want to level up without being at keyboard, this is the wrong game. There is one designed for it though, and it's FREE! Check out Progress Quest. It's custom-made for people like you. You kill mob after mob after mob, without ever touching a key.
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Let me ask you something, if you don't enjoy the class, WHY WOULD YOU TAKE IT? There are plenty out there who DO enjoy being an entertainer. Let them do it for you.
because I enjoy hanging with friend, dancing and playing music. The devs didnt include this in the game except for through theentertainers, so Ill use some skill points to do it. Im not a healer, and I dont want to be. Im not going to invest valuable time in the cantina when I have no desire to ever be in the cantina. Theres no way I'll ever be a threat to you, and yet your so against it. Sorry, but your whines for nerf just seem so shallow and selfish, I really cant see any reason to oppose someone like me afk'ing, but then i dont think you ever went back and read my initial posts, you havent addressed any of it.
I'm convinced... That was just such a great argument.
And yes I can win this one. I will when they fix the AFK macro problem. (I've /bugged it, and I hope everyone else who cares about entertainers does as well)
and by the very same token the only way to punish exploiters (example ch exploit) would be to rollback and punish all CH. But not everyone is ruining the game for others, so they wont rollback. It's selfish to expect them too just because some are.
i dont even know why im arguing this. The system works for me, and it works for most people. Its sad to say but the roleplayers generally get the short end of the stick, and they shouldve had a server devoted to it from teh start, but your in the minority. If I were you Id be focusing on finding something that doesnt screw others, because I dont see you getting your way.
btw, if I wanted to be an ass, I would tell you to go find a different cantina and do your so roleplay elsewhere (theres plenty of enterainer vacant cantinas, talus needs more for sure), but I do think there should be a work around that doesnt screw the majority or the minority
oh, and yes this is about me because that was the reason for my initial post, an inquiry. It's not ok to bring the hammer on everyone when many are doing no harm. Its no different than rifleman crying nerf on the entire pistoleer class because some are jackasses and spam knockdown. DAoC was completly trashed in my opinions because the devs constantly listened to whiners crying nerf left and right, it was like a big teeter totter over you have to play my way, but i want to be better than you.
btw, Im macroin as we speak, Ill have music 4 in an hour or two. Next to me is a a friend also macroing music. She remade her high lvldancer/entertainer character for a few reasons, and doesnt want to have to spend countless hours trying to get back to where she was. You can bet that when shes in the cantina she'll be personable and chatty though, one more example of someone doing no one any harm who would get screwed by a hammer. Punish those who need to be punished.
some of you who think role playing or wound healing is the only reason to have entertainer skills need to go back through and read instead of just slamming everyone.
I'll never afk macro in a cantina, and Im not out to be an entertainer full or even part time. I've chosen to use some of the valuable skill points to replace a system that shouldve been in the game anyways, that is to better socialize when groups of friends gather. Honestly though, if you cant accept that all I can do is pitty you. The devs included the system, and have to my knowledge given no indication theres anythign wrong with it. Heck, when I need wounds healed on a remote planet I'll take an afk entertainer over no entertainer, im not paying an additional 4k traveling fee just so I can travel back to theed or coronet to go sit afk in a cantina healing while I make a sandwich and get something to drink before heading back to battle.
if i were you I'd be requesting systems to increase your usefulness and broaden your opportunities to dance/compose, not crying nerf on others because they have alternative goals/reasons. Thats just incredibly selfish.
None of you posters who are claiming that afk macroing is an ok thing in a game can support what you say at all. It all just comes off as you're trying to pardon your own exploitive behavior. I suppose you entertainers who support all this afking also supported the Creature Handlers being able to use an exploit where they could stand in one spotand macro off a singlecreature,gaining Creature Handlerexp over and over again? Hmm now why do you suppose the dev's went and fixed that?
Baracu, your argument is so poorly thought out and expressed that it's barely worth acknowledging what you've said. But just on the outside chance that it may help turn someone's thinking around...
Players wanting to get rid of an obviously exploitive work around in the game is not tantamount to bullying other players into changing their chozen play style.I'm sorry but nothing surrounding this issue allows you tosay that anyoneis wronglyfoisting their prefered play style onto someone else who prefers a differentsort of valid play style.The reason being?Using exploits and work arounds, using game mechanics in waysneverintended,as a means to get ahead in a mmohas never been seen as a valid play style by any game makers that I've ever heard of. And I don't think the makers ofSWGare looking to break new ground on this particular frontier bysuddenly starting tocater toplayers who like to cheat there way through training up their avatars.
Go ahead and argue the point that it's not an exploit, or cheating, or a work around, because everyone can go afk if they want to. And any honest playerwith half a brain is going to see that argument as a bunch of bs. Thisafking in the cantinasis only being allowed because it's a problem that there isn't a fix for yet. Hopefully that'll change before too much longer.
Wow, harsh opinions on boths sides of the coin.
I don't believe any developer has come forward and said that it is an exploit. Until they do the people claiming it is an exploit are making assumptions.
The only problem I have with AFKers is when they are in the main part of the cantina and/or in my band. Not 15 minutes AFK, but hours I mean.
To say the play style wasn't intended is an assumption. These are not third party macros or Homer Simpson perpetual pecking birds hitting the keyboard, they are IN-GAME tools allowing people to AFK macro.
I think the problem solves itself, in the long run. Either the AFK macroers reach master and then quit...or they reach master and then play as a Master. If they are good master musicians then who cares how they got there? If they quit...well, who cares?
Basically, everyone should practice more tolerance. You will be able to enjoy the game a lot more.