Entertainer Archive

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CantinaFly wrote:

Just so we're clear, is it wrong for anyone to demand tips for a service, or just entertainers? If I'm a doctor and ask for money to heal someone's wounds, is that "wrong"? And if it is wrong, why do the rules of the game allow it? Shouldn't they allow anyone who can offer a service to demand payment for those services?

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There are many differences between medics and entertainers, not the least of which is the fact that the medical center will heal your wounds slowly over time and the cantina will not. There are many circumstances I could see someone come into a cantina, not know any "cantina etiquette" (especially in a particularly snobby cantina), and end up pissing off all of the entertainers and never being able to heal there again. I don't know if you've noticed yet, but entertainers (sorry, but especially dancers for some reason) tend to be on the snotty side when someone doesn't conform to their rules.

Here's a good example: In my cantina, some of the dancers have decided that barfights are a bad thing. (Personally, I think they are great) They have gone so far as to /stopband when someone starts a barfight and continue to stop anyone who tries playing until the fighting has stopped or moved outside. I have no doubt in my mind that should a /deny command be implemented those people would be warned once, and then end up in /deny limbo for the rest of eternity, probably not even realizing it and thinking they are bugged because they can't heal in the cantina.

Sorry but things are getting bad enough with all the new entertainers lately, /deny would just be a castastrophy waiting to happen.

I agree bar fights are cool, but hey...they band stops when there's a fight, it's just cool

vfvs11a -

You're doing a good job =D Don't let the one bad egg get you down. Each of us has one No matter how many people agree that you are choosing the correct things, some people will still whine that you are not. Don't worry about it and keep on tryin to make your proffession as fun as possible for everyone!!

__Alichai__

Here is a revolutionary Idea...how about we let dancers and musicians decide for themselves what they should do on an individual basis? I mean give them the option to deny services since the other service providers in the game have the option to, we should as well. However, I know they could very well use this as a means to extort tips from other players but so what? Is your town so devoid of dancers or musicians that you cant just go to another dancer or musician and watch/listen to them instead?

I would never deny services, but that is because even if I am not being tipped, I can still rake in the XP from them watching me so I dont get mad. I personally feel it is rude to ask for tips in exchange for services. I ike to interact with my clients and sometimes flirt...I know I know but hey I get into my character ~_^. But if the dancer wants to be rude and demand tips or no services that is her or his perogative. There is no better teacher than having her completely STOP recieving tips when it gets around she is being a jerk.

So if you run into one of these abusers, just boycott her and spread the word...trust me it will be infinitely more damaging to her than trying to report her or something equally boring.


BTW, if any of you play on tarquinas and are on tattoine, stop by the canitne in Mos Espa and enjoy the show that I and the other ladies put on nightly. No tips are required but they ARE appreciated if you have the creds...heals are really good too. See you all there /wink ~_^!!

Just to reiterate, for people who haven't been listening...a denial of service option (and that's what's being talked about, an option) wouldn't not force you to demand money. It would allow you the option of doing so. If you're performing for free, people will just leave the entertainers who are asking for money and watch you instead. This would just be a way of helping entertainers with money, because while they don't *have* to buy new tools in terms of game mechanics, they do have to spend money. For musicians, new instruments are a must, as they allow for greater XP, and I believe they also add to their healing ability. And having played a dancer, I can tell you that you will NEVER get looked at these days unless you've got that Jabba slave girl outfit or at least the bikini look. Sleeveless dresses or pants/t-shirt combos aren't going to cut it. From what I've seen, customers won't even talk to you. Entertainers need money to continue being good entertainers, and they have no way of getting it outside of delivery missions or taking up another profession. No other profession is designed so that it has to moonlight just to survive.

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CantinaFly wrote:
Just to reiterate, for people who haven't been listening...a denial of service option (and that's what's being talked about, an option) wouldn't not force you to demand money. It would allow you the option of doing so. If you're performing for free, people will just leave the entertainers who are asking for money and watch you instead. This would just be a way of helping entertainers with money, because while they don't *have* to buy new tools in terms of game mechanics, they do have to spend money. For musicians, new instruments are a must, as they allow for greater XP, and I believe they also add to their healing ability. And having played a dancer, I can tell you that you will NEVER get looked at these days unless you've got that Jabba slave girl outfit or at least the bikini look. Sleeveless dresses or pants/t-shirt combos aren't going to cut it. From what I've seen, customers won't even talk to you. Entertainers need money to continue being good entertainers, and they have no way of getting it outside of delivery missions or taking up another profession. No other profession is designed so that it has to moonlight just to survive.

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Deny option is not a "value added service." That is, it doesn't add any value to the profession and isn't worth the investment of time. I also believe that it will have an adverse affect on the community as people now have a way to "hurt" other players by denying them the option to heal their BF.

Allowing entertainers to make a living the same way the other professions do has no value to the game? Again, I encourage you to start thinking about people other than yourself.

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CantinaFly wrote:
Allowing entertainers to make a living the same way the other professions do has no value to the game? Again, I encourage you to start thinking about people other than yourself.

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Encourage away all you'd like, doesn't really affect me. Most other classes have to do things like, walking out of a room and hunting down things to kill! Or tradeskill grinds, or what have you. The entertainer is the easiest class in the game, and can be done affectively AFK with a recursive macro. People make it harder than it is by grouping up and getting cute clothes/items, and that's great! But still, the class is too easy, with ZERO risk, and ZERO guranteed reward. Sounds like things are about on point.

Artisan is even easier. Macros can work even better for them, they can mine inside of cities where it's safe, and they can always demand to be paid for their stuff. Do you even play an entertainer? Or are you just a loudmouth who got linked here?

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CantinaFly wrote:
Artisan is even easier. Macros can work even better for them, they can mine inside of cities where it's safe, and they can always demand to be paid for their stuff. Do you even play an entertainer? Or are you just a loudmouth who got linked here?

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Nah, I play one on Ch server, AFK and proud!

I'm not a loudmouth either.

Artisan's area little harder, here's why: All of the easy resources which are located inside the city usually flood the market. If you want the good stuff, you've gotta get outside the city and explore and risk (there's that word again!) dying to local fauna. Furthermore, if you want to make cash at any speed you'll need to purchase harvesters and blah blah blah...

<<I also believe that it will have an adverse affect on the community as people now have a way to "hurt" other players by denying them the option to heal their BF.>>

All Medics have the option of not using a stim or wound healing packon someone, isn't that a way to "hurt" other players?

As far as Entertainer being 2% of the population, I'm probably skewed being on Starsider -- but almost every friend I have in game has picked up an instrument or done a little dance in their time.

A lot of people on this thread seem to be taking their little cantina and their little group of people they know and generalizing that every Cantina on every other Galaxy operates the same way. As a Profession Correspondent, you have to step back and see more than that. I think vfvs11a has done a pretty good job of that, you can't expect every single problem you have with your class to be fixed in the FIRST REPORT. Let's sit back and relax a bit.. getting a bit hot in here!

Really, if entertainment in this game was just meant to be some kind of volunteer healing corps with no real point (that is, they have no combat ability, no ability to earn money, and thus no real purpose in the game), I think the game would be better served to just allow medics to heal mind wounds, remove entertainers from the game entirely, and just let people dance in funny clothing if they want to. Peoplw who don't care if they get paid to dance or not would still dance (since it's all about the fun, after all), and there would be no illusion that entertainer was a "real" profession, since so many of you seem to be saying it isn't.

Crossbreed...If I may ask, what servers you play on and what character names? because honestly, you would be the first person I would ever WANT to deny services to. You honestly go around preaching that because we stay int he cantina we shouldnt get some rewards??? or minimal rewards? That's about as obtuse as you can get!!! Yes I dance all day when I play and so do alot of the other dancers, but that is no reason to look down on us or treat us like common street trash and go about your business. Because while your entertainer can heal its own BF, I wonder if any of your other characters can. If so, I hope you enjoy having those skill points taken up by something that you obviously feel is a frivolous waste of time.

I honestly hope I never run into you on the server I play because you are A) a small minded individual and B) extremely unappreciative.