Entertainer Archive

Worst idea ever. Master Dancer here. There is only one reason people come to cantina's and that is for teh BF healing. Change that and I can guarantee that the # of people in the cantinas will drop 90% or more. Why? Its insanely easy to become a master entertainer or master dancer/musician. All it takes is time to grind and a macro.

If you don't believe whole hordes of people would grind out that time so they and their friends could avoid the cantina you really have not experienced power gamers.

As it stands those people have no reason to work entertainment/music/dance. There is no reason for them to do so because even if they did, they still would have to go to the cantina. Why spend the time if they can just go to the cantina and listen/watch someone else who has ground out the work.

That would all change if they changed where BF could be healed. Its no different for doctors. Make health/action BF healable in camps and the medical centers will be empty.

The thing is those power gamers that would grind out to master for healing in camps have already done so for healing on distant planets and healing in PA's. Among the top priorities for PA recruiting now that halls are complete and the artisians have done their work are entertainers. Either the entertainers that are currently skilling up will fill those roles or the PA's will create them.

I love dancing, I'm almost master and I'll keep that skill so that I can continue to enjoy the atmosphere of the cantina and keep up my relationships with the entertainment community no matter what comes along down the road for my character. I never planned to be a dancer it's just the part of the game that I fell into liking so much that I rearanged my character goals for.

I'm also an explorer I love to see the far off areas of the galaxy. I'll never be an entertainer tied to a single cantina for years at a time. Keren is and will continue to be my home but my time spent there will lessen as my other skills grow and my itchy foot takes me farther away. I will be a Master Dancer that is out in the wilds of Endor exploring and hunting. When the days hunt is done however my party most likely won't go to Theed and watch the large group of performers in the cantina there, we will instead venture to the closest cantina, understaffed as it will be and I will then perform to rid the crew of their battle fatigue, my party won't be in need of other performers, though if there are other performers to add to the distraction they will be welcome. So stating that if Masters were allowed to heal in camps will take more people out of the cantina for healing is wrong, those of us Masters that want to be in the field will be there no matter if our ability is only half as effective or truely effective. I've worked hard for my dancing abilities as hard as I will continue to work for my fighting abilitiesI want the two halves of my personality to mesh together and to be effective together.

I think some of you are not seeing the full picture. You claim that by having the ability to reduce BF in campsites will force other entertainers to take up combat professions. I don't see that as the case. We all joined the Entertainment profession for various reasons. Mine was a secondary profession with the goal in mind of working my way all the way up to Novice Dancer so I can learn Dancer's Battle Fatigue Healand Dance Wound Healing, in essence helping my group and friends in ways that they cannot help themselves. It took me a couple weeks to gain thehundredsof thousandsof Dance XP and thousands of creditsto get the skills I wanted (Dance Fatigue and Mind Wound heal), and I had fun doing it, but that doesn't mean I have to submit myself now to only dancing in Cantinas. I now have the ability to heal mind wounds in Campsites, but not Battle Fatigue, why the seperation? Mind wounds are few and far between and not of major concern to anyone. Battle Fatigue is something that everyone gets but still has no major effects unless at extreme rates. No real big you argue that it's not fair to those who dance in cantinas, but I don't see it that way. Most people who choose Dance or Musician do it because they love doing it. Nobody ever said they have to only do it and it only. By giving musicians and dancers the ability to travel and offer thier services in groups it broadens the purpose in life of all entertainers, not endanger it. Nobody ever said travelling minstels or dancing troupes were combat professions, these have been documented throughout history in the real world and mentioned within the books. Granted it might not be your favorite choice that dancers can have dual purposes in life, but as I stated earlier we all joined this proffession for our own resons, so it might be somebody elses. I see it as unfair to limit those who joined the profession for reasons other than yours.GrantedIdon't feel novices in any entertainment should be allowed the ability to do it, it should actually be the advanced abilities of Dancers and Musicians, those who spent the same weeks of money, xp, and skill points as the rest to learn (dance/music wound heal, and dance/music fatigue heal)

Healing battle fatigue in the field helps your group.
Healing battle fatigue in the cantina helps all entertainers.
Too good of the many outweigh the good of the few.

I'm still ambivalent on BF healing in camps however my belief isstrongly imbedded in that by denying it you are not helping all entertainers you are however hurting the entertainers that will not stay in the cantinas no matter how firmly you want to root us there.

Have you ever traveled to a 2nd level planet? if so was there an entertainer in the cantina? if there was it was a rarity. The times I've traveled not only to 2nd level planets but to many of the moons and often even in the smaller towns on the starting planets and entertainer performing isa rarity not a given. The reason for this is two fold, in order for an entertainer to gain experience we seek out the most traveled cities and the busiest cantinas, and once we are established in those locations we form alliances and friendship and tend to continue to gravitate towards hot spots. And while some fighters will gravitate towards the cities for healing more often than not one of the group members will pick up a little novice entertainer in order to heal when there's no professional available the same as a group member will pick up medic skills to handle the wounds.Fighters don't travel to find the "best" entertainer although they appreciate the healing skills of the masters the wait for the shuttle vs the healing speed of a novice isn't that big of a trade off. Add in the Secondary planets and the moons and you have the cost of space travel in addition to the time to seek out the entertainers. Fighters will travel to the cities for other things and if they can get entertainment healing while there great! its an added bonus but the majority of the time it won't be their main goal. Enter into any small cantina and if it's not empty what you will most likely find is one or two fighters watching their buddy play his slitherhorn.

I don't want every person that picks up novice entertainer to heal his buds to have the ability to heal BF in the field, that would hurt the entertainment industry. What I would like to see is a compromise to allow those of us that want to be field performers to do our full job. Otherwise what you will see is that group wander in from the field and not start watching the performers already there but watch the master dancer/musician that's been with them all night perform wipe out the BF and they all leave, taking advantage of the fact that the cantina is there not that there are entertainers performing.

To say that helping people in the field only helps your group, and helping in the cantina helps all entertainers is not true at all. You can go into a Cantina dance to your hearts consent, and not join any groups. If they only watch you then only you get the xp. I don't see how it's any different than travelling with your compainions and friends. Saying that it will hurt entertainers for entertainers leaving the cantinas to follow thier own pursuits is ignorant.

While I'm not a "pure" entertainer, whatever that means, I will have much to do beyond chat after I make master. I love to chat too, but I'm in a band and I'm Director of Recruiting *points to sig* This position will require some logistical work that's not provided as a game mechanic. And as a member of the band (i'm not just recruiter-bot that chats, i play too), I have to be at rehearsals and be knowlegable about what to do and when.

Some of the effects we are trying with the band are not automatically done for me, like the notes are, so I have to be at the keyboard and our moves require coordination from all the members.

I also want to tour, and go play a double concert with Runtime Error if they'll be kind enough to share the stage with us. Those types of events, while not programmed into the game engine, will require more than chatting and give some great entertainment to the audience. Now I just have to go back to the practice room so I don't embarass myself if we play with Runtime Error.

What kind of dancer/musician goes to a cantina and doesn't join the group there. A real jerk in my opinion. And your welcome to your opinion, but I speak the truth. I just have the ability to see what large scale changes such a change could make. Call me ignorant if you want, but I consider such a change the effect it will have cantinas and other entertainers more significant than the convenience it would give you or your group.

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Grexor wrote:
What kind of dancer/musician goes to a cantina and doesn't join the group there. A real jerk in my opinion. And your welcome to your opinion, but I speak the truth. I just have the ability to see what large scale changes such a change could make. Call me ignorant if you want, but I consider such a change the effect it will have cantinas and other entertainers more significant than the convenience it would give you or your group.

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Since I assume this was directed at me let me explain something since you don't know me. What I stated is what you will see not what I am. If you read my previous post on the matter which was more from what I do and what I want and not from what I am forcasting I stated that groups I am with will not need other performers but if they are in the cantina they will be welcome and appreciated. I've always joined the entertainer groups when I've entered cantinas and I've always invited anyone that enters the cantina to join my group, however many times when a performer enters the cantina with a group of friends they are grouped with their friends and don't disband to join the cantina group they stay with the group they are in and perform. Since I rarely enter a cantina that has entertainers in it while with a group coming in from the field it would be a toss up, how much is needed to heal how much time are we planning on being there if the fatigue was low and I knew that we were planning to head back out and wouldbe in and out in less than 5 minutes disbanding from one group getting the attention of the other group leader for an invite dancing for the additional 3 minutes to heal the bf and then disbanding and rejoining the first group would seem a waste of everyones time.

Consider also that I am talking about master performers when experience doesn't matter at all as the game progresses there will be less and less of the grinding experience performers and more of the casual and masters that dance when needed and for fun.

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And your welcome to your opinion, but I speak the truth. I just have the ability to see what large scale changes such a change could make. Call me ignorant if you want, but I consider such a change the effect it will have cantinas and other entertainers more significant than the convenience it would give you or your group.

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No you dontGrexor!! It is you that doesnt see the bigger picture.

At this point its exactly like Ndainye/Aryel and I post.

After reading your posts I can only asume that you perform in the busiest Cantina's on the 3 major starting planets. And that is the problem with the entertainer professions at this point.If you are an entertainer that is limited to cantina's and hotels the only place to get decent Xp is in crowded cantina's on the those 3 major starting planets.I suggest you travel to a higher tier planet/moon and see for yourself. The only entertainers you will meet arecombat professionsthat just have the novice entertainer skill and their Slitterhorn. You wont see any (or VERY rare) skilled entertainers there.

And thusgiving the ability to heal BF in camps it wont change a thing for you cause you will still be in that crowded Cantina jammin in a band.

I do understand your concerns tho, thats I why I started this thread in the first place. What skill do WE as entartainers find acceptable for healing BF in camps?

Can we reach consensus if I say that at least the skill music/dancing battle fatique healing I is required for the elite musician/dancer profession? Dont expect combot classes on Dathomir having enough skill points left to to get that high in an entertainment profession and thus are no threat for you.I also like the idea of only BF healing in ranger camps.

Novice entertainer : 15 skill point

MusicIV : 14 skill points

Ent Healing : 14 skill points

Novice musician : 6 skill points

Musician fatigue healing I : 5 skill points

That is 54 skill points needed for a Muscian to be able to heal BF in camps. (same for dancers)

Combat classes alrdy progressing in 2 elite combat professions dont have the points left to get this high. (feel free to calculate the skill points needed to master 2 random elite combat professions and you will see my point.). And thus cant be a risk for ourentertainment professions period.

Again I like the idea though of a Novice Musician or Dancer with at least the above mentioned skills ONLY to be able to heal BF in ranger camps like posted earlier by someone in this thread.

How do you all feel about this idea?

Although a good idea in theory, imo there should be some tangible gain to having higher levels of wound/fatigue healing. I can see this killing off true entertainers. I've posted elsewhere agreeing to something very similar but having thought more on the subject my mind is beginning to change.

The ability to heal BF in camps would be the driving force behind 'bot accounts' imo. Every powergamer would have his own personal entertainer bot in tow. Now you may think that people won't pay for such a small gain, but they will because in addition to their little entertainer bot they wil also gain 9 more lots to play with.

As a Ranger, I wanted to chime in on this...

Currently the Ranger camps do nothing more than the scout camps, but heal at a slightly faster rate. It seems to me that a good compromise would be to allow upper Ranger camps to allow for entertainers to heal BF.

Rangers need more to define them as a class, and I dont think that if they were the only ones allowed to do this that it would encourage 'bot' accounts.

A Ranger should be able to provide all the comforts of home while being far from it. This would allow for large groups to go adventuring very far and bring medics and entertainers along for the ride.

I would think that allowing this it would encouraged large groups with a variety of classes to go exploring the vast wilderness (much of it still barely explored by most) and justify everyone being there. Medics and entertainers could benefit from the change of scenery, don't you think?

Thanks for listening!